College student trying to bulk up faster + efficiently

  • Jaiin

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    Nov 04, 2014 3:36 PM GMT
    hey, I am pretty basic when it comes to working out and keeping a proper diet. I am looking for someone who is free sometime to help me develop the most efficient work out plan,diet plan, and along with which powder to get, etc.

    I am fairly active at the gym, go every day for five days if possible after my classes in college, I know a fair amount of workouts/diet plan, but I want to be able to gain about 20-30 lbs of muscle before spring comes (2 months from now). And I wasn't able to do this the past couple months, so I need a expertise!
    So if you could be that buddy to help me out that would be perfect, shoot me a mail or skype and I will keep in contact with you icon_smile.gif. Cheers.
  • Kovyn

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    Nov 04, 2014 7:35 PM GMT
    I'll start the thread off by saying you should head over you bodybuilding.com and read some articles about bulking.

    It's impossible to put on 20lbs of muscle muscle in 2 months. Even with steroids you won't retain that much muscle after a PCT. If your diet and workout routine is solid, you can expect to put on 1/3-1/2lb of muscle a week (=4lbs in 2 months max).
    However, it is possible to gain 20lbs in 2 months, but 16 of those lbs are going to be fat. And that's a lot of fat. You would need to eat 1,000 calories over your matainance to gain that (you're looking at 3.5-4kcal per day for 60 days straight). I hope that puts it into perspective for ya. There's no quick scheme to put on muscle naturally, it's takes a lot of hard work over a long period of time.
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    Nov 04, 2014 10:38 PM GMT
    Kovyn has it pretty well covered: what you're looking to do is absolutely impossible.

    You can only gain about four lbs of muscle naturally in two months. You can only gain about 10 pounds of muscle "unnaturally" in two months.

    As far as which powder to get, it doesn't really matter: whey is whey is whey. They're all about the same grams of protein per serving and any added extra stuff that some of the name brands put in there is basically useless for gaining muscle.

    What you need to concentrate on is getting at least 1.5 grams of protein per pound you weigh, though to maximize you gains you should probably aim for 2.0 grams per pound of body weight.

    As for going "five days if possible" you need to make that "five days no matter what". And you need to make sure you get at least 8 hours of sleep.

    These are the reasons why people whine and say "I lift, I eat protein, but I don't gain much muscle!" Because they do NOT lift consistently, they do NOT get enough protein, and they do NOT get enough rest. If you're fucking up any one of those things, it's just not going to happen.
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    Nov 04, 2014 10:45 PM GMT
    20lbs of lean mass is something that some very dedicated and knowledgeable beginners (a rare circumstance) can achieve in one YEAR. Not even steroids would give you that much lean mass in such a short time if you consider what you could retain after a PCT.

    And if you're thinking about 30lbs, that takes from 3 to 5 years to achieve (without steroids).
  • MikemikeMike

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    Nov 05, 2014 12:08 AM GMT
    bachian said20lbs of lean mass is something that some very dedicated and knowledgeable beginners (a rare circumstance) can achieve in one YEAR. Not even steroids would give you that much lean mass in such a short time if you consider what you could retain after a PCT.

    And if you're thinking about 30lbs, that takes from 3 to 5 years to achieve (without steroids).


    Go this route. Steroids is never a good ideaicon_idea.gif
    Hard work in the gym pays off, but you're not going to get it in that short amount of time. Be realistic. Unless you like a turtle shell gut?
  • Bowyn_Aerrow

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    Nov 05, 2014 12:53 AM GMT
    Jaiin saidhey, I am pretty basic when it comes to working out and keeping a proper diet. I am looking for someone who is free sometime to help me develop the most efficient work out plan,diet plan, and along with which powder to get, etc.

    I am fairly active at the gym, go every day for five days if possible after my classes in college, I know a fair amount of workouts/diet plan, but I want to be able to gain about 20-30 lbs of muscle before spring comes (2 months from now). And I wasn't able to do this the past couple months, so I need a expertise!
    So if you could be that buddy to help me out that would be perfect, shoot me a mail or skype and I will keep in contact with you icon_smile.gif. Cheers.


    Well its nice you have goals, however I strongly suggest you get a basic understanding of how the body works in general.

    Gaining this much lean muscle mass in a few months is not a realistic goal.

    A realistic goal is an average of 1 pound of lean muscle mass per month.

    This is why body-builders expend about 6 years of hard work before reaching a mass/proportions to compete. at one pound per month average that is about 72 pounds of lean muscle mass.

    This is an average, meaning some guys no matter how hard they work out can only naturally stack on about half a pound a month, others can stack on up to two pounds a month.

    This is determined by genetics.

    Now if you are just starting with lifting you have the chance to make more impressive gains in appearance, especially if you are losing fat at the same time you are bulking up. This doesn't mean you will see a huge difference on the scales, you will see a reasonable amount of difference in definition, cut and even apparent size of muscles.
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    Nov 05, 2014 1:35 AM GMT
    Such nonsense. I've seen guys add 85 pounds in 5 months, and get leaner doing it. Calories.

    Don't believe me? Check out any red shirt football player.
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    Nov 05, 2014 7:30 AM GMT
    chuckystud saidSuch nonsense. I've seen guys add 85 pounds in 5 months, and get leaner doing it. Calories.

    Don't believe me? Check out any red shirt football player.

    I don't think OP wants to use AAS. icon_wink.gif
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    Nov 06, 2014 5:31 AM GMT
    Kovyn pretty much hit it on the head. Technically it is possible to gain 20 lbs in 2 months, but it won't be the type of gains you're looking for. It'll mostly be fat

    He says 2 pounds a month, I've seen up to 4 pounds a month. Everyone is different.. here are some articles on it.
    http://www.menshealth.com/mhlists/gain_ten_pounds_of_muscle/Maximize_Muscle_Building.php
    http://www.builtlean.com/2011/10/13/how-fast-can-you-build-muscle-5-factors-that-affect-muscle-growth/
    HTTP ADDRESS GOES HERE

    But even to gain a healthy 4 pounds a month takes a VERY, very, dedicated workout program and diet.


    There is a difference in (protein) powders. You have Whey and Casein. The difference is how quick they breakdown in the body. But if you have to pick one, go with Whey. BCAA's are very good too. I try to keep it as natural as possible. Supplements don't compete with a proper diet.
  • Kovyn

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    Nov 06, 2014 9:01 AM GMT
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    chuckystud saidSuch nonsense. I've seen guys add 85 pounds in 5 months, and get leaner doing it. Calories.

    Don't believe me? Check out any red shirt football player.

    I don't think OP wants to use AAS. icon_wink.gif


    This.
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    Nov 06, 2014 9:47 AM GMT
    The_Perfect_Ashlar saidKovyn pretty much hit it on the head. Technically it is possible to gain 20 lbs in 2 months, but it won't be the type of gains you're looking for. It'll mostly be fat

    He says 2 pounds a month, I've seen up to 4 pounds a month. Everyone is different.. here are some articles on it.
    http://www.menshealth.com/mhlists/gain_ten_pounds_of_muscle/Maximize_Muscle_Building.php
    http://www.builtlean.com/2011/10/13/how-fast-can-you-build-muscle-5-factors-that-affect-muscle-growth/
    HTTP ADDRESS GOES HERE

    But even to gain a healthy 4 pounds a month takes a VERY, very, dedicated workout program and diet.


    There is a difference in (protein) powders. You have Whey and Casein. The difference is how quick they breakdown in the body. But if you have to pick one, go with Whey. BCAA's are very good too. I try to keep it as natural as possible. Supplements don't compete with a proper diet.


    Not to mention, casein tastes awful!
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    Nov 06, 2014 10:29 PM GMT
    chuckystud saidSuch nonsense. I've seen guys add 85 pounds in 5 months, and get leaner doing it. Calories.

    Don't believe me? Check out any red shirt football player.


    Chucky, you know very well that not even the strongest steroids that man can make could give that to a man. The only thing capable of producing this kind of gain in such a short time is muscle memory.
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    Nov 06, 2014 10:32 PM GMT
    MikemikeMike saidGo this route. Steroids is never a good ideaicon_idea.gif
    Hard work in the gym pays off, but you're not going to get it in that short amount of time. Be realistic. Unless you like a turtle shell gut?


    Fitness models use steroids and don't have a turtle shell gut. It all comes down to what specific drugs are used.
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    Nov 07, 2014 1:46 AM GMT
    bachian said
    MikemikeMike saidGo this route. Steroids is never a good ideaicon_idea.gif
    Hard work in the gym pays off, but you're not going to get it in that short amount of time. Be realistic. Unless you like a turtle shell gut?


    Fitness models use steroids and don't have a turtle shell gut. It all comes down to what specific drugs are used.


    This. The "turtle shell gut" is from one of the most extreme drugs that most people who will admit to using AAS don't even use.

    Also, to clarify, when I was saying that there was no difference in protein powders I meant specifically whey. Of course there is a major difference between whey and casein.
  • MikemikeMike

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    Nov 12, 2014 6:49 AM GMT
    chuckystud saidSuch nonsense. I've seen guys add 85 pounds in 5 months, and get leaner doing it. Calories.

    Don't believe me? Check out any red shirt football player.

    Turtle shell right hereicon_idea.gificon_exclaim.gif
  • MikemikeMike

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    Nov 12, 2014 6:50 AM GMT
    bachian said
    MikemikeMike saidGo this route. Steroids is never a good ideaicon_idea.gif
    Hard work in the gym pays off, but you're not going to get it in that short amount of time. Be realistic. Unless you like a turtle shell gut?


    Fitness models use steroids and don't have a turtle shell gut. It all comes down to what specific drugs are used.


    Still cheating yourself and there are health risks.