Russia Erases Memory of Steve Jobs - Because Tim Cook Came Out as Gay

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    Nov 04, 2014 6:10 PM GMT
    Living up to their Soviet reputation as the epitome of Orwellian government, Russia has removed a monument to Steve Jobs, because Tim Cook announced he was gay - and they can't permit the word "gay" to be said or thought in Russia. (these are the same people who created the Potempkin Village)

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/11/03/russian-monument-to-steve-jobs-taken-down-after-apple-ceo-cook-says-he-is-gay/
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    Nov 04, 2014 6:41 PM GMT
    That's normal for Russia.
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    Nov 04, 2014 11:19 PM GMT
    Let's be honest. Russia is a country. Russians are people and each of them is an individual. Let's avoid these generalizations in the future please.

    And besides that all Russians are drunk all the time so they don't know what they're doing most of the time anyway.
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    Nov 04, 2014 11:31 PM GMT
    HikerSkier saidLiving up to their Soviet reputation as the epitome of Orwellian government, Russia has removed a monument to Steve Jobs, because Tim Cook announced he was gay - and they can't permit the word "gay" to be said or thought in Russia. (these are the same people who created the Potempkin Village)

    I guess the next step is to claim that Russia invented the iPhone. Another Stalinist era tactic. Or will they now have to deny the iPhone exists, and confiscate any in the country? Go through photo archives and delete any pictures that show iPhones, to erase all memory of it?
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    Nov 05, 2014 12:39 AM GMT
    Retrograde. I think Russian society at its core is essentially medieval in its mentality. That's why it's so desperate to prove itself and be taken seriously by the rest of the world. Of course, things like this just make it even more ridiculous. Putin, more than anything, is driven by insecurity. Which is essentially what has driven nearly all of its leaders past and present--and made them very dangerous. Gorbachev was the only one who wasn't a delusional despot or drunk.
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    Nov 05, 2014 2:10 AM GMT
    silver_phoenix saidAfter months of escalating tensions over Ukraine and talk of a new cold war, Russia and the West could soon reach a surprising rapprochement. The eurozone economy is suffering badly and sanctions against Russia are partly to blame. Winter is also upon us, and that reminds every-one Vladimir Putin still holds the cards when it comes to supplying gas.

    The clincher, though, is that Ukraine is heading towards financial meltdown. Unless an extremely large bailout is delivered soon, there will be a default, sending shockwaves through the global economy. That’s a risk nobody wants to take — least of all Washington, London or Berlin.


    http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9342012/europe-will-reconcile-with-russia-and-soon-it-cant-afford-not-to/

    Whether or not the West abandons Ukrane becasue of its financial and political instability, my guess is that Putin doesn't want to asborb the rest of Ukrane either - too much of a burden - and has gotten what he wanted by creating chaos and instability. He will be satisfied just to keep Crimea, and leave the rest of Ukrane to stew.
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    Nov 05, 2014 4:38 AM GMT
    Maybe Obama should stop buying Russian helicopters.
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    Nov 05, 2014 4:39 AM GMT
    DanOmatic saidRetrograde. I think Russian society at its core is essentially medieval in its mentality. That's why it's so desperate to prove itself and be taken seriously by the rest of the world. Of course, things like this just make it even more ridiculous. Putin, more than anything, is driven by insecurity. Which is essentially what has driven nearly all of its leaders past and present--and made them very dangerous. Gorbachev was the only one who wasn't a delusional despot or drunk.



    Well said.
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    Nov 05, 2014 4:46 AM GMT
    mx5guynj saidMaybe Obama should stop buying Russian helicopters.

    There's a stupid statement. The President does not buy helicopters. He doesn't even buy his own Presidential limousines.
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    Nov 05, 2014 4:50 AM GMT
    klobasnik saidLet's be honest. Russia is a country. Russians are people and each of them is an individual. Let's avoid these generalizations in the future please.

    And besides that all Russians are drunk all the time so they don't know what they're doing most of the time anyway.


    I can see the irony there. icon_lol.gificon_lol.gif
  • Teth1

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    Nov 05, 2014 5:42 AM GMT
    When Russians as individuals are becoming more intolerant as a trend, "generalization" isn't something to be avoided.
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    Nov 05, 2014 7:08 AM GMT
    Russians, in general, aren't very tolerant of homosexuality. The ones that are open minded have emigrated to more civilized first world countries.
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    Nov 05, 2014 7:28 AM GMT
    I think I might go to Russia, find myself a fine man, marry him and save his life from misery.
  • 5100s

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    Nov 06, 2014 5:29 PM GMT
    Russia had such promise in the early twentieth century--given all the brutality that came thereafter it's hard to believe that under the czarist regime Lenin rode into exile in Siberia in a third-class railway coach.

    One wonders how long the horrible consequences of the Soviet regime are going to last.
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    Nov 06, 2014 5:38 PM GMT
    5100s said
    One wonders how long the horrible consequences of the Soviet regime are going to last.


    Russia has always been a very autocratic place - for centuries before Lenin.

    A lot of the current persecution of gays in Russia is at the behest of the Russian church.
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    Nov 07, 2014 2:06 AM GMT
    Tricky! The Washington Post uses the word "AFTER" but the thread changes it to "BECAUSE"
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    Nov 09, 2014 3:12 PM GMT
    Puppenjunge said
    5100s said
    One wonders how long the horrible consequences of the Soviet regime are going to last.


    Russia has always been a very autocratic place - for centuries before Lenin.

    A lot of the current persecution of gays in Russia is at the behest of the Russian church.


    Russia is a very big country with a lot of different people and they will always need a strong leader, because otherwise they would collapse. They are just not able to come to any consensus and that is, I think, crucial for democracy.
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    Nov 09, 2014 3:20 PM GMT
    klobasnik said
    Puppenjunge said
    5100s said
    One wonders how long the horrible consequences of the Soviet regime are going to last.


    Russia has always been a very autocratic place - for centuries before Lenin.

    A lot of the current persecution of gays in Russia is at the behest of the Russian church.


    Russia is a very big country with a lot of different people and they will always need a strong leader, because otherwise they would collapse. They are just not able to come to any consensus and that is, I think, crucial for democracy.

    Nah, you could describe democracy in the U.S. the same way. We fight all the time. But without a dictator no one ever has the final say. The argument just goes on and adapts to the changing demographics and each generation has a chance to make their mark.