David P. Gushee: I’m an evangelical minister. I now support the LGBT community — and the church should, too.

  • metta

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    Nov 05, 2014 7:22 AM GMT
    I’m an evangelical minister. I now support the LGBT community — and the church should, too.


    Too many Christians stayed silent during the Holocaust and civil rights movement.


    "It is hard to describe exactly why my moral vision shifted in this way. But undoubtedly, it had much to do with my move to Atlanta in 2007 and my growing contact with LGBT people, especially fellow Christians. I hardly knew anyone who was gay before that move, but afterward, they seemed to be everywhere, and a few became very dear friends. It became clear to me — in a deeply spiritual place that I will allow no one to challenge — that God was sending LGBT people to me. The fact that one of these LGBT Christians is my dear youngest sister, Katey, has made this issue even more deeply personal for me than it would have been. The fact that one place where she developed a deep struggle with her sexuality was in evangelical churches has contributed to my new moral commitment to make evangelical families and churches safe places for LGBT people."


    http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/11/04/im-an-evangelical-minister-i-now-support-the-lgbt-community-and-the-church-should-too/
  • FRE0

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    Nov 05, 2014 8:00 PM GMT
    That should make it clear to everyone who didn't already know that it is possible to be both gay and Christian.
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    Nov 05, 2014 8:08 PM GMT
    "I hardly knew anyone who was gay before that..."

    If this isn't the best argument for gays to come out of the closet and be recognized, I don't know what is. The more we are present to society at large people will see we are just like them - we are sons, brothers, and uncles, we hope, we dream, we love, we have jobs, we contribute to society, we are doctors, lawyers, engineers, nurses, plumbers, electricians, as well as hairdressers, florists, and dancers. We will cease to be the scary unknown that is easy to bully, assault and batter, discriminate against, legislate against...
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    Nov 05, 2014 8:13 PM GMT
    ^^^ This ^^^
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    Nov 06, 2014 4:02 AM GMT
    I read that article with great prejudice, a critical eye, huge amounts of skepticism, ready to pounce.

    I'm a little disappointed. It was like taking a bite into tofu, only they used silky instead of very firm so turned out not much to bite down on; though I'd imagine to diners at the other side of the table, it must chew like grizzle.

    He's brave to serve that up. I've got some minor points that maybe he elucidates upon in the full length feature.

    For instance, one of the strongest arguments I've read from religion came from that orthodox rabbi (I could look it up but don't have it offhand) who argued that even given that whole Leviticus abomination thingy, that Torah first and foremost would recognize that everyone has a right for some happy. So for those who can't find satisfying companionship with the opposite sex, then the more important of the many rules and regulations would supersede all the minor crap, regardless of what they say. That you shouldn't wear garments of two fibers unless on you it looks fabulous.

    What I don't like about that is that it does nothing for bisexuals (that argument assuming that if they can find relations with opposite then they need not same sex, so that's problematic) but so goes trying to square dogmatic religion into a freer and well rounded life. What I do like about that is that it doesn't seem to require shift in moral position, merely deeper understandings of existing morals and positions haha. That we don't have to be seen as objects of pity or as "an issue of human suffering". That's not what we want. What we want is equality.

    I did very much like his calling out against "contempt...in the name of God" and in that he might have a great struggle ahead of him. It's a curious position for him to be in, not only at the front line, but behind the enemy's line. And at that not just behind the enemy's line, but upon the wall they've used for 1000s of years to pour hot oil down upon us.

    We have reached the ramparts of our oppressors.

    UndercoverMan said... we are sons, brothers, and uncles, we hope, we dream, we love, we have jobs, we contribute to society, we are doctors, lawyers, engineers, nurses, plumbers, electricians, as well as hairdressers, florists, and dancers...