Is it self confidence or cosmetic surgery that changes lives?

  • infinitefrien...

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    Nov 05, 2014 8:33 AM GMT
    It is a general recommendation to see a counsellor before undergoing any 'modifying' cosmetic surgery.

    Would you say that cosmetic surgery REALLY makes 'that much' of a difference to a patient's life or is it just the after-effect of their apparent increase in self-confidence? Is it ALL about self-confidence in the first place?

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    Nov 05, 2014 1:24 PM GMT
    Yes, it makes that much of a difference, BUT, not as much of a difference as people first conceive. It's rarely life-changing (unless you're Ashlee Simpson, or Jennifer Grey), and also depends on the extent of the surgery.

    Plastic surgery is kind of like building a house... the surgery is the brick, and you are the mortar.... You can change the bricks, but if you don't have a good foundation, it doesn't really matter how pretty the house is because the bricks won't stay up.

    Whatever you're thinking of getting done, if you have the funds and you think it will make you feel better, go for it. The whole idea of "plastic surgery shaming" is ridiculous. Do people need counseling before getting braces or dying their hair? Change what you want, and be happy.
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    Nov 05, 2014 1:43 PM GMT
    You know I was really actually going to do this but in the end I decided to save my money for a deposit into some kind of investment property since it's never ever going to get cheaper.
    Depends I guess because by the end of next year if the price of property increases above what I ended up saving, I might actual go for a surgery of some sort instead. We'll see.

    To be honest, it's probably a mixture of both where ones gives way to the other.
    You get the surgery done, hopefully turning out well, and then when people begin appreciating you 'at first sight' so to speak, it in turn boosts the person's confidence.
    I'm pretty sure that's partly how the cycle works.
    I suppose it goes a bit too far when one becomes obsessed with surgeries. Fortunately I'll never really have that kind of money haha.
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    Nov 05, 2014 3:10 PM GMT
    self modification is some how rooted in our brains and could follow parallel lines of cosmetic surgery. most people get a tattoo and call it done.
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    Nov 05, 2014 3:14 PM GMT
    Plastic surgery is just like what someone said one but i forget where i read it, "Plastic surgery is basically permanent makeup, you dont frown on people for wearing that so why a permanent thing"

    Im neutral on the subject yet interested lol its just when people do it for age related reasons it always seems to go wrong and not settle properly.

    Another fact that makes me laugh is what people say about Amanda Lepore, they say its all gone wrong and bad etc but if you read a interview with her she was aiming for that look of between Jessica Rabbit and Barbie.
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    Nov 05, 2014 3:44 PM GMT
    When I came out gay I didn't like how I looked. Still don't, actually. I knew I was considered over-the-hill already in the gay world, and not good looking in the first place.

    But my approach was to develop self-confidence, and a personality guys would like. I never considered surgically altering my appearance, but rather working with what I had (or perhaps more accurately, was stuck with).

    So I did work on my personality, on my image. I seriously studied gay guys, noting who was most successful and who was not. And after a while it wasn't an act anymore, but really became me. And for the better, I think.

    On the other hand, I know a guy planning for jaw surgery, to correct a seriously jutting lower jaw. If it works I think he's gonna look much better. But only because currently he looks a bit deformed, like having a cleft palate. But in the absence of a major congenital defect, or the need for reconstructive surgery after some injury, I wouldn't resort to cosmetic surgery.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Nov 05, 2014 3:47 PM GMT
    I like the "cosmetic surgery" that comes from hard workouts in the gym... I like the modifications made "under the knife" of weights, machines and hard work.....and the confidence that comes from that dedication.
  • davfit

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    Nov 05, 2014 4:04 PM GMT
    yes, yes ,yes... had fu@%$# up nose for years.. got it fixed life changing and P.S if you take care of yourself chances are ...you won't need it.
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    Nov 05, 2014 4:05 PM GMT
    ^^ thats nice and all doing that work out surgery bravo to ya

    But I just wanna get it done so I can tick it off my to do list lol......Like I would just love to go and live in Korea for a year or two and get reform surgery, why not? it costs $500 to get your eyes widened over there its pretty much like getting a tattoo or getting your ears pinned back, I have hooded eyes which I don't think there's anything wrong with at the moment but so does my mum and at 60 they're droopy and I don't want that....

    At first i judged that actress that got that face surgery and changed her face "cant remember her name cos I cant pin it to the face go figure" the chick who played Roxy in Chicago anyways I judged here at first but who am I to judge what another person does with their body? we are still the same underneath and if you're still not happy with who you are after all the procedures then its you who has to deal with consequences as does everyone else who takes a risk in life.
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    Nov 05, 2014 4:11 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan saidI like the "cosmetic surgery" that comes from hard workouts in the gym... I like the modifications made "under the knife" of weights, machines and hard work.....and the confidence that comes from that dedication.
    Im with Omega also they is a good statement to live by !
  • HottJoe

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    Nov 05, 2014 5:11 PM GMT
    Confidence. Plastic surgery is like the feather Dumbo holds in his trunk.
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    Nov 05, 2014 5:12 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidConfidence. Plastic surgery is like the feather Dumbo holds in his trunk.

    Shouldn't we ask Lil Kim ?
  • muscleboundfe...

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    Nov 05, 2014 5:54 PM GMT
    IzzyMusc saidYes, it makes that much of a difference, BUT, not as much of a difference as people first conceive. It's rarely life-changing (unless you're Ashlee Simpson, or Jennifer Grey), and also depends on the extent of the surgery.

    Plastic surgery is kind of like building a house... the surgery is the brick, and you are the mortar.... You can change the bricks, but if you don't have a good foundation, it doesn't really matter how pretty the house is because the bricks won't stay up.

    Whatever you're thinking of getting done, if you have the funds and you think it will make you feel better, go for it. The whole idea of "plastic surgery shaming" is ridiculous. Do people need counseling before getting braces or dying their hair? Change what you want, and be happy.


    I agree 100%. I'm actually considering plastic surgery because I have more confidence. I'm no longer worried people will think I don't love myself and all of that self deluded shit. I hate how high my hairline is and if possible would like thicker eyebrows and a fuller beard.

    I never understood where the idea that self esteem is a purely internal process. Maybe it gives us cover to treat others like shit because then we bear absolutely no responsibility for how our actions affect there mental health. If you talk to anyone about how they view themselves you will realize how others view them plays a huge role in how they view themselves. Studies have even shown that men need more compliments from there partners because women receive more compliments on a daily basis in public. Think about how many times you've heard someone compliment a woman on her shoes, bag, makeup, perfume, hair, clothes... They basically complimenting how she expresses her since of self.
  • muscleboundfe...

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    Nov 05, 2014 6:01 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan saidI like the "cosmetic surgery" that comes from hard workouts in the gym... I like the modifications made "under the knife" of weights, machines and hard work.....and the confidence that comes from that dedication.


    That is so true, it works for the face as well. Go to my profile I have a current pic up. The main one is of me November 15 2014. The recent one is from Sunday. I would advice all overweight people to loose weight before plastic surgery because for some people it really changes your face. One dude on bodybuilding.com doesn't even look like fat pics. I saw three pictures of his journey. If it wasn't for the middle pic you wouldn't think the first and last pic were even related.
  • muscleboundfe...

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    Nov 05, 2014 6:04 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidConfidence. Plastic surgery is like the feather Dumbo holds in his trunk.


    This is coming from someone who naturally has good looks. Its like an old boss once told me. Of course Beyonce has confidence. She is told she is beautiful a thousand times a day.
  • muscleboundfe...

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    Nov 05, 2014 6:05 PM GMT
    denlad said
    HottJoe saidConfidence. Plastic surgery is like the feather Dumbo holds in his trunk.

    Shouldn't we ask Lil Kim ?


    Like tattoos surgery can be addicting
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    Nov 05, 2014 6:55 PM GMT
    infinitefriend9 saidIt is a general recommendation to see a counsellor before undergoing any 'modifying' cosmetic surgery.

    Would you say that cosmetic surgery REALLY makes 'that much' of a difference to a patient's life or is it just the after-effect of their apparent increase in self-confidence? Is it ALL about self-confidence in the first place?

    Would just like to get views here.



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    Nov 05, 2014 9:55 PM GMT
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    IzzyMusc saidYes, it makes that much of a difference, BUT, not as much of a difference as people first conceive. It's rarely life-changing (unless you're Ashlee Simpson, or Jennifer Grey), and also depends on the extent of the surgery.

    Plastic surgery is kind of like building a house... the surgery is the brick, and you are the mortar.... You can change the bricks, but if you don't have a good foundation, it doesn't really matter how pretty the house is because the bricks won't stay up.

    Whatever you're thinking of getting done, if you have the funds and you think it will make you feel better, go for it. The whole idea of "plastic surgery shaming" is ridiculous. Do people need counseling before getting braces or dying their hair? Change what you want, and be happy.


    I agree 100%. I'm actually considering plastic surgery because I have more confidence. I'm no longer worried people will think I don't love myself and all of that self deluded shit. I hate how high my hairline is and if possible would like thicker eyebrows and a fuller beard.

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    You are losing weight and are feeling more and more confident. Good for you man! If you want to make changes then go ahead and do it. You need no one's permission. It's your life. Your decisions. Do it for you!
  • Unnamed6

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    Nov 06, 2014 12:58 AM GMT
    IzzyMusc saidYes, it makes that much of a difference, BUT, not as much of a difference as people first conceive. It's rarely life-changing (unless you're Ashlee Simpson, or Jennifer Grey), and also depends on the extent of the surgery.

    Plastic surgery is kind of like building a house... the surgery is the brick, and you are the mortar.... You can change the bricks, but if you don't have a good foundation, it doesn't really matter how pretty the house is because the bricks won't stay up.

    Whatever you're thinking of getting done, if you have the funds and you think it will make you feel better, go for it. The whole idea of "plastic surgery shaming" is ridiculous. Do people need counseling before getting braces or dying their hair? Change what you want, and be happy.


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    Nov 06, 2014 1:05 AM GMT
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    Nov 06, 2014 1:31 AM GMT
    bon_pan saidwildenstein-jocelyn-dailymail-co-uk.jpg

    Me-Owww...!


    I have a feeling that this person may not look that much different in spite of the surgeries... I mean you may recognize her with or without the surgery, and in spite of how unusual she looks. But then there are those Koreans and Renee Zellweger, that get surgeries, not just to add, augment or tuck things, but seem to change the shape of face and skull itself entirely, and to what extent can people and the people who get these surgeries accept the fact that they essentially have a new face? (Some Koreans also have new bodies, and not just fat being sucked away, but rather muscles are reshaped, limb lengthening procedures growing new leg bone, etc, etc...).
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    Nov 06, 2014 1:34 AM GMT
    She had a sick fuck billionaire husband with odd fetishes...

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  • Unnamed6

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    Nov 06, 2014 1:42 AM GMT
    bon_pan saidShe had a sick fuck billionaire husband with odd fetishes...

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    The left pic isn't supposed to be her, right? I wonder who she is being compared to. I mean she's in her 70's, and that pic looks like it was taken in the 2000's?
  • Unnamed6

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    Nov 06, 2014 2:24 AM GMT
    Hmm, forgot this was a gay website catering to males, lol. I suppose need to find pictures of actual males instead of the females already posted. Not exactly endorsing surgery here, or condemning it, but just showing the state of it as it exists in Asia.
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    Nov 06, 2014 4:23 AM GMT
    davfit saidyes, yes ,yes... had fu@%$# up nose for years.. got it fixed life changing and P.S if you take care of yourself chances are ...you won't need it.

    That is most likely going to be one of the things I aim to change.
    I hate my nose so much, especially considering the nose actually continues to slowly grow as you get older I don't need it getting any bigger than it is already!!