Calling all boxers on here .....may need your help

  • suedeheadscot

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    Nov 06, 2014 9:24 PM GMT
    I'm investigating the possibility of setting up a gay/lesbian etc boxing group in Glasgow, similar to the London one. The whole idea is to just provide a means of gay and lesbians to meet each other while engaging in a brilliant sport and keep fit. I'm pleased to say that both Boxing Scotland and LEAP Scotland (an organisation encouraging the LGBT community to access sports) have taken an interest - one person is even checking out gyms for me that would hold a class.

    What I think I may need for social grants/proof is evidence of gay/bisexual boxers that may have had issues coming out, or just kept in closet. It may be that you don't feel the need to come out in your class or training gym, everyone trains with you and its not an issue. Fine. But has anyone experienced any difficulty/homophobia/been made to feel uncomfortable? I've heard a coach say a couple of comments and I will say I'm not in a great place to challenge them. Has anyone felt that they really would not get a great reaction if they come out at a boxing gym?

    If anyone has difficulty I would be interested in hearing from them - please either message me or maybe reply to this thread.

    Thanks guys.
  • Kovyn

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    Nov 06, 2014 9:49 PM GMT
    Hahaha gay guys who box? Do they even exist? We're talking full contact striking, not frolicking, right?
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    Nov 07, 2014 12:31 AM GMT
    Kovyn saidHahaha gay guys who box? Do they even exist? We're talking full contact striking, not frolicking, right?


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    To the OP: http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/others/boxing-emile-and-the-pink-pounder-drag-fight-game-out-of-closet-1850993.html
  • suedeheadscot

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    Nov 07, 2014 7:27 AM GMT
    Yes Kovyn, some gay men do box, check out the link above and also Orlando Cruz, the Puerto Rican Boxer that came out a few years ago.

    Thanks to the poster above for the link - if anyone has any stories please get in touch - thanks!
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    Nov 07, 2014 1:42 PM GMT
    Kovyn saidHahaha gay guys who box? Do they even exist? We're talking full contact striking, not frolicking, right?


    Yes, there are definitely gay guys who box, just like there are gay guys who do everything else. Some of them are professional boxers, and a few of them are out. What is being discussed here is amateur boxing, not professional boxing, which implies that it is being done for sport and recreation and fitness, not for money, so the intensity may be less without a million dollar purse being offered to the winner, which is understandable. That doesn't mean the punches are not serious and hard, if you have ever seen boxing at the Olympics, which is also "amateur" wrestling. It does suggest that the boxers are usually not trying to knock each other out or cause disabling injury in order to "win", since they are winning simply by participating.

    Suggesting that amateur boxers are "wimps" simply because they are also gay is not really appropriate for a gay jock forum; there is nothing wimpy about getting punched by someone wearing 8 oz gloves, whether they are gay or straight in bed.
  • Bunjamon

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    Nov 07, 2014 5:43 PM GMT
    Did someone say they needed help from a boxer?

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    Out Magazine recently did a feature on a gay boxing club in NYC:

    http://www.out.com/entertainment/sports/2014/06/29/velvet-gloves-gay-boxers?page=full

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    Boxing is not something that interests me (including other contact sports), so I can't say from experience, but it does seem like a sport that may be more prone to homophobia than others, since its image rests a lot on machismo, strength, etc., which are seen my many people (and apparently at least one gay man, as illustrated by this threat) as qualities that gay men don't have. An LGBT-friendly boxing gym would likely get guys to come out of the woodwork.
  • HPgeek934

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    Nov 07, 2014 11:19 PM GMT
    BRB, gotta go join the gay boxing club in NYC. Ya know, for fitness purposes...
  • HottJoe

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    Nov 07, 2014 11:27 PM GMT
    HPgeek934 saidBRB, gotta go join the gay boxing club in NYC. Ya know, for fitness purposes...

    I thought it was for the million dollar purse.icon_neutral.gif
  • bro4bro

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    Nov 08, 2014 2:43 AM GMT
    Not really relevant to the OP's needs, but the movie Fighting Tommy Riley (2004) deals with the problem of homophobia in the boxing community.

    An enjoyable flick - and the star (J. P. Davis) is truly smoking hot - and knows how to box!

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  • suedeheadscot

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    Nov 08, 2014 6:38 AM GMT
    Thanks everyone, if anyone does know of any boxers that have had problems or has any thoughts on my proposal please let me know. On failing that, I'm quitting Glasgow and moving to New York for the boxing group above!! Why am I always in the wrong city??!?
  • Cuchullain

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    Nov 08, 2014 4:23 PM GMT
    You might enjoy reading Thomas Healy's "A Hurting Business", although to say it's light on gay content would be a bit of an understatement. It's a fantastic book though.
  • MarvelClimber

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    Nov 08, 2014 4:28 PM GMT
    Bunjamon said
    Out Magazine recently did a feature on a gay boxing club in NYC:

    http://www.out.com/entertainment/sports/2014/06/29/velvet-gloves-gay-boxers?page=full

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    I've been in this group (Velvet Gloves Gentleman's Boxing) since May; it's awesome!

    Start small with a fitness class in an easily-accessible location. Get the word out through blogs, LGBT magazines and websites, flyers at bars, word-of-mouth. People will come.
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    Nov 08, 2014 7:11 PM GMT
    Bunjamon said



    Boxing is not something that interests me (including other contact sports), so I can't say from experience, but it does seem like a sport that may be more prone to homophobia than others, since its image rests a lot on machismo, strength, etc., which are seen my many people (and apparently at least one gay man, as illustrated by this threat) as qualities that gay men don't have. An LGBT-friendly boxing gym would likely get guys to come out of the woodwork.


    It sucks but this is the general perception. I don't know of any power gay fighters in MMA. There was one guy but his record is not good. I heard about Orlando Cruz but i'm not sure how he stacks up against the others in his weight class. One day the perception may change but it will take more than people saying "gay men can be just as strong etc"

    Someone created the LGBT martial arts group on meetup in NYC. It had potential to be a good group but it lacked consistency and many people sign up on meetup groups with no intention on attending any meetups no matter what group anyways lol.

    Good luck OP. I really hope you succeed and i'm glad you're getting support.
  • suedeheadscot

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    Nov 09, 2014 8:07 AM GMT
    Thanks everyone! There is hope - the London Gay Boxing Group is going strong, they attend pride marches and meet every Thursday night. They have received a bit of homophobia but that dispersed when the guys giving abuse found out they were boxers too. Watch this space and I will report back to you all on how I get back on!

  • May 06, 2015 9:03 PM GMT
    Good on you mate! How did you get on?