How Detroit was reborn (very long)

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    Nov 09, 2014 10:25 PM GMT
    From today's FREEP

    http://www.freep.com/longform/news/local/detroit-bankruptcy/2014/11/09/detroit-bankruptcy-rosen-orr-snyder/18724267/
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    Nov 09, 2014 10:51 PM GMT

    No rebirth anything, its just cursed and will always be icon_neutral.gif


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    Nov 10, 2014 12:26 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    freedomisntfree saidFrom today's FREEP

    http://www.freep.com/longform/news/local/detroit-bankruptcy/2014/11/09/detroit-bankruptcy-rosen-orr-snyder/18724267/


    Wow, talk about in depth reporting - something you don't see very much anymore, but the subject matter definitely justifies it.


    Yeah, too bad I haven't had time to read it yet. Bunch of work has got to get done first before I get around to this one.
    Next to Columbus and of course LA where I spent 30 years, Detroit is next with so many of the weekends of my misspent youth.

    I'm a big champion of the underdog so I wish Detroit the best and I'll be there every chance I get to cheer those folks on.

    I still say it's the friendliest big city in the country.


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    Nov 10, 2014 1:38 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    scruffLA said
    No rebirth anything, its just cursed and will always be icon_neutral.gif


    Not at all, now that the Democrats have lost their stranglehold on the state. The article perfectly lays blame where it should be:

    ... after decades of dysfunctional government, wasteful spending, irresponsible borrowing, white flight, suburbanization and deindustrialization — Detroit became the largest city in U.S. history to file for Chapter 9 bankruptcy.


    Only you would make this somehow about political parties
    The collapse of Detroit had a lot of origins but Democrats v Republicans has nothing to do with it
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    Nov 10, 2014 6:20 AM GMT
    Sharkspeare said
    southbeach1500 said
    scruffLA said
    No rebirth anything, its just cursed and will always be icon_neutral.gif


    Not at all, now that the Democrats have lost their stranglehold on the state. The article perfectly lays blame where it should be:

    ... after decades of dysfunctional government, wasteful spending, irresponsible borrowing, white flight, suburbanization and deindustrialization — Detroit became the largest city in U.S. history to file for Chapter 9 bankruptcy.


    Only you would make this somehow about political parties
    The collapse of Detroit had a lot of origins but Democrats v Republicans has nothing to do with it


    If I had to pick one name .... Coleman Young, circa 1970 +/-

    However, a major republican is responsible for much of the downtown and possibly midtown revival. You know who that is.

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    Nov 10, 2014 6:53 AM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    If I had to pick one name .... Coleman Young, circa 1970 +/-

    However, a major republican is responsible for much of the downtown and possibly midtown revival. You know who that is.

    Quite right
    Coleman Young, a serious race-baiter and kleptocrat, basically took a troubled city and bled it dry
    It could have recovered with some other mayor and some regional cooperation
    But his demonizing of the white people assured that any white person who could afford to get the hell out of there would, and that once in the 'burbs they would totally write the city off for good, which they did
    This wasn't about politics, it was about race and greed
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    Sharkspeare said
    freedomisntfree said
    If I had to pick one name .... Coleman Young, circa 1970 +/-

    However, a major republican is responsible for much of the downtown and possibly midtown revival. You know who that is.

    Quite right
    Coleman Young, a serious race-baiter and kleptocrat, basically took a troubled city and bled it dry
    It could have recovered with some other mayor and some regional cooperation
    But his demonizing of the white people assured that any white person who could afford to get the hell out of there would, and that once in the 'burbs they would totally write the city off for good, which they did
    This wasn't about politics, it was about race and greed


    And for the revival

    http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20141019/NEWS/310199967/billion-dollar-development-philosophies-gilbert-quick-to-the-punch
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    Nov 10, 2014 2:27 PM GMT
    In fact, the term "Colemanization" was used by many in and around Detroit to describe - accurately - his raze and abandon program of urban deconstruction. But, since he was black, he could do no wrong and was rarely criticized for all the damage he did. It was gay men who, in the Boston-Edison and Indian Village neighborhoods, did the most to preserve civilized living in the city, until black-on-white crime of predatory dimensions finally drove them out, too. Cf. Hamtramck, where the predominantly Polish population maintained a true working class city intact, and all without the need for any federal grants, "outreach" programs, or any of that other appeasement-based crap.

    I'll always wish Detroit well, having had many friends from there and many fond memories of being there during my Michigan days. But it won't be well until it gets crime under control and start demanding - and enforcing - a level of civility among its residents that is now practically nonexistent.
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    Nov 11, 2014 3:18 AM GMT
    Help!!!!!! Somebody tell me how to get our of this place???
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    MGINSD saidIn fact, the term "Colemanization" was used by many in and around Detroit to describe - accurately - his raze and abandon program of urban deconstruction. But, since he was black, he could do no wrong and was rarely criticized for all the damage he did. It was gay men who, in the Boston-Edison and Indian Village neighborhoods, did the most to preserve civilized living in the city, until black-on-white crime of predatory dimensions finally drove them out, too. Cf. Hamtramck, where the predominantly Polish population maintained a true working class city intact, and all without the need for any federal grants, "outreach" programs, or any of that other appeasement-based crap.

    I'll always wish Detroit well, having had many friends from there and many fond memories of being there during my Michigan days. But it won't be well until it gets crime under control and start demanding - and enforcing - a level of civility among its residents that is now practically nonexistent.

    This is sadly true
    Hamtramck's Poles have long since left, moving mainly up to Warren and Sterling Heights
    There used to be a wonderful bar/grill in Hamtramck called the "Ivanhoe", which on Friday nights had all-you-can-eat fried lake perch
    The proprietress, a lovely Polish lady, kept the doors locked so that you had to ring to enter
    When you were finished and were preparing to leave, she had one of her large sons escort you to your car, because as she said in her fractured English, "You have to watch out, there are a lot of Rumanians outside"
    LOL
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    MGINSD saidIn fact, the term "Colemanization" was used by many in and around Detroit to describe - accurately - his raze and abandon program of urban deconstruction. But, since he was black, he could do no wrong and was rarely criticized for all the damage he did. It was gay men who, in the Boston-Edison and Indian Village neighborhoods, did the most to preserve civilized living in the city, until black-on-white crime of predatory dimensions finally drove them out, too. Cf. Hamtramck, where the predominantly Polish population maintained a true working class city intact, and all without the need for any federal grants, "outreach" programs, or any of that other appeasement-based crap.

    I'll always wish Detroit well, having had many friends from there and many fond memories of being there during my Michigan days. But it won't be well until it gets crime under control and start demanding - and enforcing - a level of civility among its residents that is now practically nonexistent.

    This is sadly true
    Hamtramck's Poles have long since left, moving mainly up to Warren and Sterling Heights
    There used to be a wonderful bar/grill in Hamtramck called the "Ivanhoe", which on Friday nights had all-you-can-eat fried lake perch
    The proprietress, a lovely Polish lady, kept the doors locked so that you had to ring to enter
    When you were finished and were preparing to leave, she had one of her large sons escort you to your car, because as she said in her fractured English, "You have to watch out, there are a lot of Rumanians outside"
    LOL


    "wonderful bar/grill in Hamtramck called the "Ivanhoe"

    "Friday nights had all-you-can-eat fried lake perch"

    I've long long long forgotten about that place .... for about 40 years or so. I just looked it up and it appears to be still open.
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    Nov 11, 2014 8:22 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    Sharkspeare said
    freedomisntfree said
    If I had to pick one name .... Coleman Young, circa 1970 +/-

    However, a major republican is responsible for much of the downtown and possibly midtown revival. You know who that is.

    Quite right
    Coleman Young, a serious race-baiter and kleptocrat, basically took a troubled city and bled it dry
    It could have recovered with some other mayor and some regional cooperation
    But his demonizing of the white people assured that any white person who could afford to get the hell out of there would, and that once in the 'burbs they would totally write the city off for good, which they did
    This wasn't about politics, it was about race and greed


    And for the revival

    http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20141019/NEWS/310199967/billion-dollar-development-philosophies-gilbert-quick-to-the-punch
    The democrat before Coleman Young, Jerome Cavanaugh got the entire so-called progressive agenda rolling for Detroit and that was when the city began its pitch downhill. The disastrous race riots of 1967 broke and Mr. Cavanaugh was totally helpless while Detroit neighborhoods around Twelfth(now Rosa Parks) and Clairmount were being looted and burned. That along with the democrats excessive taxation and so called progressive policies which ended up disastrous failures. The middle class flight out of the city skyrocketed right after these riots and Detroit never recovered. The decline of heavy industry was the final nail in the coffin for this deeply troubled, rapidly aging city. Coleman Young's longtime legacy was just a more disastrous extension of the failed urban policies of the Jerome Cavanaugh administration. It has been all blue democrat since than and where has Detroit ended up after becoming a democratic city under total one party rule. Detroit is not alone, up I-75 both Flint and Saginaw are in horrendous shape and have emergency financial managers running their broke city governments because both those cities were run into the sewer by the democrats. Than lets move south and east along the US shoreline of Lake Erie and we run into more urban casualties of longtime democratic party rule, cities like Toledo, Lorain, Cleveland, Erie, and Buffalo were all fucked up by the disastrous urban policies of monolithic democratic rule. Even the two supposed success stories of Pittsburgh and Rochester have had more than their fair share of grave urban financial and socioeconomic problems. Other older northern cities like St Louis, Milwaukee, Kenosha, Gary, Cincinnati, Youngstown, Niagara Falls, Schenectady, Bridgeport, Newark, Camden, Baltimore, and yes the nation's capital Washington DC suffered severe decline and disinvestment courtesy of the failed policies of the democratic party with its failed urban renewal programs and its endless pandering to crooked organized labor and the unmotivated urban poor. Detroit suffered the worst of these problems and failures but these other above mentioned cities are not in that great of shape. Chicago is very vulnerable right now and both Los Angeles and New York City have fallen into the monopoly democratic trap. What does the future hold for Chicago, LA, and NYC is anyones guess. Right now, things are not looking good in the big three cities.
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    roadbikeRob said
    freedomisntfree said
    Sharkspeare said
    freedomisntfree said
    If I had to pick one name .... Coleman Young, circa 1970 +/-

    However, a major republican is responsible for much of the downtown and possibly midtown revival. You know who that is.

    Quite right
    Coleman Young, a serious race-baiter and kleptocrat, basically took a troubled city and bled it dry
    It could have recovered with some other mayor and some regional cooperation
    But his demonizing of the white people assured that any white person who could afford to get the hell out of there would, and that once in the 'burbs they would totally write the city off for good, which they did
    This wasn't about politics, it was about race and greed


    And for the revival

    http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20141019/NEWS/310199967/billion-dollar-development-philosophies-gilbert-quick-to-the-punch
    The democrat before Coleman Young, Jerome Cavanaugh got the entire so-called progressive agenda rolling for Detroit and that was when the city began its pitch downhill. The disastrous race riots of 1967 broke and Mr. Cavanaugh was totally helpless while Detroit neighborhoods around Twelfth(now Rosa Parks) and Clairmount were being looted and burned. That along with the democrats excessive taxation and so called progressive policies which ended up disastrous failures. The middle class flight out of the city skyrocketed right after these riots and Detroit never recovered. The decline of heavy industry was the final nail in the coffin for this deeply troubled, rapidly aging city. Coleman Young's longtime legacy was just a more disastrous extension of the failed urban policies of the Jerome Cavanaugh administration. It has been all blue democrat since than and where has Detroit ended up after becoming a democratic city under total one party rule. Detroit is not alone, up I-75 both Flint and Saginaw are in horrendous shape and have emergency financial managers running their broke city governments because both those cities were run into the sewer by the democrats. Than lets move south and east along the US shoreline of Lake Erie and we run into more urban casualties of longtime democratic party rule, cities like Toledo, Lorain, Cleveland, Erie, and Buffalo were all fucked up by the disastrous urban policies of monolithic democratic rule. Even the two supposed success stories of Pittsburgh and Rochester have had more than their fair share of grave urban financial and socioeconomic problems. Other older northern cities like St Louis, Milwaukee, Kenosha, Gary, Cincinnati, Youngstown, Niagara Falls, Schenectady, Bridgeport, Newark, Camden, Baltimore, and yes the nation's capital Washington DC suffered severe decline and disinvestment courtesy of the failed policies of the democratic party with its failed urban renewal programs and its endless pandering to crooked organized labor and the unmotivated urban poor. Detroit suffered the worst of these problems and failures but these other above mentioned cities are not in that great of shape. Chicago is very vulnerable right now and both Los Angeles and New York City have fallen into the monopoly democratic trap. What does the future hold for Chicago, LA, and NYC is anyones guess. Right now, things are not looking good in the big three cities.

    If you're going to continue with this analysis, most of which is wrong, at least get some of your facts straight
    Cavanaugh was not the mayor who immediately preceded Coleman Young, this guy was:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Gribbs
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    http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-12-01/detroit-cant-blow-its-second-chance