Politics & Spirituality: 90 Year-Old Arnold Abbott JAILED? for feeding the Hungry? This is America - FL - Republicans & Democrats!

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    Nov 13, 2014 11:59 PM GMT
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    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/10/russell-brand-homelessnes_n_6134544.html
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    Nov 14, 2014 4:16 AM GMT
    Arnold Abbott, affectionately known as “Chef Arnold,” may face 60 days in jail and a $500 fine because he continued to help the hungry after Fort Lauderdale passed an ordinance banning public feedings, Local 10 originally reported.
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    Nov 14, 2014 4:17 AM GMT
    Since January last year, 21 cities have enacted measures to limit feeding homeless people, according to a recent National Coalition for the Homeless (NCH) survey.

    Despite getting cited for a second time on Wednesday, Abbott -- who founded the interfaith mission Love The Neighbor -- remains committed to his cause.

    "I'm grateful that they allowed us to feed the people before they gave us the citation," Abbott told the Associated Press on Wednesday.
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    Nov 14, 2014 3:02 PM GMT
    I'm still waiting for Russell Brand to use his money to set up a commune or just give millions to charity. Only then will I take his left-wing blatherings seriously.
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    Nov 14, 2014 4:00 PM GMT
    Apparently your facts are lost on SOABC, Southbeach. Maybe he's too busy consulting his star charts to respond.

    Kudos to FLL for enacting and enforcing this law, lest it become another SFrancisco, where the so-called "homeless" - read, bums - are often not homeless at all and rake in a comfortable tax-free income from their panhandling and state and federal benefits. You used to never see this in the US, until around the late '70s, when it first arose, was foolishly tolerated by the authorities, and is now, like so many other bad products of neglect, part of our "culture."
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    Nov 14, 2014 4:22 PM GMT
    MGINSD saidApparently your facts are lost on SOABC, Southbeach. Maybe he's too busy consulting his star charts to respond.

    Kudos to FLL for enacting and enforcing this law, lest it become another SFrancisco, where the so-called "homeless" - read, bums - are often not homeless at all and rake in a comfortable tax-free income from their panhandling and state and federal benefits. You used to never see this in the US, until around the late '70s, when it first arose, was foolishly tolerated by the authorities, and is now, like so many other bad products of neglect, part of our "culture."


    No one has a need?
    You're saying at no time no one has a need?
    May God show you.
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    Nov 14, 2014 4:41 PM GMT
    MGINSD saidApparently your facts are lost on SOABC, Southbeach. Maybe he's too busy consulting his star charts to respond.

    Kudos to FLL for enacting and enforcing this law, lest it become another SFrancisco, where the so-called "homeless" - read, bums - are often not homeless at all and rake in a comfortable tax-free income from their panhandling and state and federal benefits. You used to never see this in the US, until around the late '70s, when it first arose, was foolishly tolerated by the authorities, and is now, like so many other bad products of neglect, part of our "culture."


    When it arose? You mean, like, out of nowhere?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deinstitutionalisation
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    Nov 14, 2014 5:12 PM GMT
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    MGINSD saidApparently your facts are lost on SOABC, Southbeach. Maybe he's too busy consulting his star charts to respond.

    Kudos to FLL for enacting and enforcing this law, lest it become another SFrancisco, where the so-called "homeless" - read, bums - are often not homeless at all and rake in a comfortable tax-free income from their panhandling and state and federal benefits. You used to never see this in the US, until around the late '70s, when it first arose, was foolishly tolerated by the authorities, and is now, like so many other bad products of neglect, part of our "culture."


    No one has a need?
    You're saying at no time no one has a need?
    May God show you.


    It's disconnect Stephen. If MG actually went out and did some volunteer work in the trenches he'd find out a few things that could cause a few bouts of insomnia, so he won't.
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    Nov 14, 2014 5:32 PM GMT
    meninlove saidIt's disconnect Stephen. If MG actually went out...
    he is retired and singleicon_confused.gif
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    Nov 14, 2014 5:35 PM GMT
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    StephenOABC said
    MGINSD saidApparently your facts are lost on SOABC, Southbeach. Maybe he's too busy consulting his star charts to respond.

    Kudos to FLL for enacting and enforcing this law, lest it become another SFrancisco, where the so-called "homeless" - read, bums - are often not homeless at all and rake in a comfortable tax-free income from their panhandling and state and federal benefits. You used to never see this in the US, until around the late '70s, when it first arose, was foolishly tolerated by the authorities, and is now, like so many other bad products of neglect, part of our "culture."


    No one has a need?
    You're saying at no time no one has a need?
    May God show you.


    It's disconnect Stephen. If MG actually went out and did some volunteer work in the trenches he'd find out a few things that could cause a few bouts of insomnia, so he won't.


    Some of you never cease to amaze me w/ your dissembling, deconstructing, and reconstructing others' posts to suit your own "needs." Nor do you ever let the facts get in the way, but instead invent your own to suit your preconceived images. I've done more than my fair share of pro bono legal work for our and other causes - I'd estimate it in the six-figure range, actually - but I refuse to help bums and slackers who have no legitimate needs and are only milking the system and depriving others more deserving of charity; the same God whom Stephen invokes also gave me a brain to think and judge, just as I'll be judged by Him in due time. The only "disconnect" here is Stephen's refusal to accept the facts or retract his claim that this was a GOP-inspired measure. I agree with the FLL Demos who wrote this law, surprising as it may be to some who think only in narrow, either/or, partisan terms. And yes, "homelessness" arose when people started tolerating bums' sleeping, urinating, fornicating and doing Lord only knows what on our streets. Fortunately, some of us see it for what is it and don't buy a bit of it.
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    Nov 14, 2014 5:41 PM GMT


    You impress me not at all with that long diatribe, MG. There are facts in the way of your pontificating with vast sweeping incorrect generalizations about poor people.
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    Nov 14, 2014 5:44 PM GMT


    A solution could be found instead of slapping a law against the old fellow.

    Any guesses what it could be? Hmm?
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    Nov 14, 2014 5:46 PM GMT
    meninlove said

    You impress me not at all with that long diatribe, MG. There are facts in the way of your pontificating with vast sweeping incorrect generalizations about poor people.


    Same for you and your shifting the topic from Stephen's inaccurate attribution of this salutary law to the GOP, when it actually arose from a Democratic city gov't. Those are the facts in question here, and Stephen, apparently lost in the stars, has yet to acknowledge/retract his glaring error. And, we're not talking about "poor people," but those who pose as the "homeless." Conflate and deflect much?
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    Nov 14, 2014 5:58 PM GMT


    LOL. So all people who are homeless are NOT poor MG? And all homeless people are posers?!? ..omg you can't be serious.

    As for the law being Repub or Democrat invented, the point is which gov't is applying it at their discretion.
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    Nov 14, 2014 6:05 PM GMT
    Awhile back in my town do gooders were coming in to feed the local homeless in a local park. After they left the park was a mess of styrofoam food containers strewn all over the ground despite ample trash receptacles throughout the park. Did the do gooders stick around to clean up the mess? Hell no! They assuaged their guilt and moved on. The city had to put a stop to it. There are shelters that provide the service.

    What kills me is that the do gooders are usually from suburban churches and organizations where their neighborhoods are pristine with no homeless and street people milling about. These very same do gooders would be calling the police and having the very same people they are feeding in my neighborhood arrested and hauled out of theirs. I'm quite certain they would have a shit hemorrhage if I were to come to their neighborhoods with homeless people setting up tent cities in their parks, defecating on their lawns, vomiting on their petunias, and digging through their garbage and strewing trash everywhere.
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    Nov 14, 2014 6:56 PM GMT
    Private property is a nice concept but there's no access to the waterways to fish so a man can feed himself. This country recognizes the privileges of money but also the responsibility to maintain public access to natural resources.

    How would the public feel if the grand canyon was walled in by condominiums, preventing public views? Very little public access remains to the beaches of south Florida with few exceptions. I watched it all disappear over the years. Right before I left, Fort Lauderdale removed the last stretch of free parking so that if you don't own a condo on the beach, you can't freely park there to enjoy where your property tax money goes to maintain. I used to do a five mile walk along the beach before arthritis got to my foot (and then I'd walk a bike so I could ride when it acted up).

    Sometimes I'd ride the bike to the beach, just a 15-20 minute ride, but it's nice to have the car sometimes. So it was costing me about $1000/year to use the beach where part of my non-oceanfront property tax money went to maintain. That's insane. And I wasn't one of the homeless ones.

    Because there are people who can't make it in society, by whatever physical or mental handicap, then, given private property which restricts access for a man to even feed himself off sea or land, it become incumbent upon all that is not cruel about society to reduce suffering as much as it is able. To Fort Lauderdale's credit, there are already many support services for the homeless which has long been an issue there. South Florida by location and climate gets more than its fair share and society has in good measure taken on that burden.

    But it should also be noted how coincidental this action is, when Bahia Mar, directly across from the beach in question (that section of which has a decades long history of sheltering the homeless) and to which is one of only two pedestrian overpasses on that beach (there once was a pedestrian tunnel, now closed), is planning a major redevelopment. Big money being invested there.

    So even if the argument against feeding directly on the beach might otherwise have some merit by other nearby places being provided, the timing makes the decision suspect, whether by Democrats who think they are acting fiscally responsible to the city of Fort Lauderdale, or even if it was, as the OP erroneously reported, an act of the Gobs Of Poop.
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    Nov 14, 2014 8:03 PM GMT
    Now for a little reality check: one of those Fort Lauderdale City Commissioners is our personal attorney. And gay.

    He contributes to charity work himself, and like us has been a member of the Broward House "Spirit of Hope Society" (BH is the largest HIV/AIDS non-profit agency in the State), and he was even on their Board of Directors. A position he had to resign when he became a City Commisioner, to avoid the appearance of a conflict of interest. He's also a member of the "Founders Circle" of our South Florida Pride Center, as we are.

    So his credentials with charity are not in doubt. We speak with him almost weekly. He is a generous and caring man.

    But as he's said publicly to the media, the City Commission mishandled this, creating misconceptions. The City does NOT oppose feeding the poor. It does oppose amateur methods that are unregulated and possibly unhealthy, even dangerous. They have made proposals to Mr. Brand for alternate locations to continue his food charity with better facilities. He refuses to alter his practices. It's his way or nothing, and his way is a problem for the general public.

    Fort Lauderdale has created a PR nightmare for itself. All the public hears is that an old man who's trying to feed the poor is being arrested. What they don't hear is that a stubborn old man insists on clinging to bad practices, and refuses to accept the better alternatives being offered to him, to achieve the same goals he seeks.

    So that is the reality, before some of you guys spin it into Right Wing hysteria.

    Sent from my iPad from Marathon Key, near the end of the first day of our 165-mile SMART Ride from Miami to Key West, to raise money for HIV/AIDS agencies in Florida. The bicyclists arrive in Key West shortly after noon tomorrow, Saturday. Tonight we have a huge meal with over 700 people, with entertainment, presentations and just a fun time. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Nov 14, 2014 8:17 PM GMT
    Here is something in support of the Republicans

    A clergyman cited for feeding the homeless has assembled a local Dream Team to fight Fort Lauderdale's controversial new ordinance. Mark Sims, pastor of St. Mary Magdalene Episcopal Church in Coral Springs, has enlisted legal heavy-hitters Bill Scherer and Bruce Rogow to challenge the city's restrictions on outdoor feedings.

    "We think it's unconstitutional and overreaching," Scherer, a Fort Lauderdale attorney and well-known Republican activist, told me this afternoon.

    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/michael-mayo-blog/sfl-mayo-homeless-20141112-story.html

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    Nov 14, 2014 8:24 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidNow for a little reality check: one of those Fort Lauderdale City Commissioners is our personal attorney. And gay.

    He contributes to charity work himself, and like us has been a member of the Broward House "Spirit of Hope Society" (BH is the largest HIV/AIDS non-profit agency in the State), and he was even on their Board of Directors. A position he had to resign when he became a City Commisioner, to avoid the appearance of a conflict of interest. He's also a member of the "Founders Circle" of our South Florida Pride Center, as we are.

    So his credentials with charity are not in doubt. We speak with him almost weekly. He is a generous and caring man.

    But as he's said publicly to the media, the City Commission mishandled this, creating misconceptions. The City does NOT oppose feeding the poor. It does oppose amateur methods that are unregulated and possibly unhealthy, even dangerous. They have made proposals to Mr. Brand for alternate locations to continue his food charity with better facilities. He refuses to alter his practices. It's his way or nothing, and his way is a problem for the general public.

    Fort Lauderdale has created a PR nightmare for itself. All the public hears is that an old man who's trying to feed the poor is being arrested. What they don't hear is that a stubborn old man insists on clinging to bad practices, and refuses to accept the better alternatives being offered to him, to achieve the same goals he seeks.

    So that is the reality, before some of you guys spin it into Right Wing hysteria.

    Sent from my iPad from Marathon Key, near the end of the first day of our 165-mile SMART Ride from Miami to Key West, to raise money for HIV/AIDS agencies in Florida. The bicyclists arrive in Key West shortly after noon tomorrow, Saturday. Tonight we have a huge meal with over 700 people, with entertainment, presentations and just a fun time. icon_biggrin.gif



    Thanks Art, very kindly. This answered all the questions I had, (and didn't bother try to get answers from the posters here as I figured they didn't know) - I was right. Cheers!
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    Nov 14, 2014 8:27 PM GMT
    Jack Seiler, mayor of Ft. Lauderdale is Democrat.
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    Nov 14, 2014 8:41 PM GMT
    “Someone said: ’If Jesus came and fed the people like He did during the Sermon on the Mount He would be arrested.’ ”
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    Nov 14, 2014 8:43 PM GMT
    It boils down to Fort Lauderdal & Broward County are both to cheap to have a public restroom at Stranahan park
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    Nov 14, 2014 8:48 PM GMT
    StephenOABC saidIt boils down to Fort Lauderdale & Broward County are both too cheap to have a public restroom at Stranahan park


    This is partly what this seems to be about. Russell Brand cooked the food inside then brought the food outside and fed people outside where there are no restrooms.

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    Nov 14, 2014 9:07 PM GMT
    Is this not really about penalizing those who give food to the hungry and more about penalizing feeding people where there are no restrooms?

    We can say this BUT this doesn't resolve all of the unhappiness about these ordinances.

    MGINSD:
    You used to never see this in the US, until around the late '70s, when it first arose

    StephenOABC:
    You didn't see the hungry in the early 1930's?
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    Nov 14, 2014 9:11 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidNow for a little reality check: one of those Fort Lauderdale City Commissioners is our personal attorney. And gay.


    Yes, Art_Deco, a little reality check is in order. And as you see from my post above, if one does the right thing the wrong way, one can get his/her hand slapped.