Are there any LGBT Americans who aren't affiliated with the two party system?

  • MarkGage20

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    Nov 15, 2014 12:19 AM GMT
    I'm independent, but I am starting to look into the Libertarian Party. It has the policies I have: small, limited government. Cutting government interference from our lives, ex: the issue of marriage equality, getting government/states out of our marriages. Personal responsibility for our actions. Above all, liberty. Liberty to do as we see fit, so long as we do not interfere with others and their rights. And in turn, they do the same for us.

    It's a "live and let live" policy I love about the Libertarians. But what about y'alls?
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    Nov 15, 2014 12:27 AM GMT
    I went to two parties in one night. Does that count?
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    Nov 15, 2014 2:42 PM GMT
    Libertarianism works well enough in small groups but doesn't work in large societies.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Nov 15, 2014 4:52 PM GMT
    I became an independent twelve years ago because I got disgusted with democratic politics especially northern urban democratic politics which meant endless costly silver bullet redevelopment schemes and endless pandering to both crooked organized labor and the unmotivated urban poor. The thing that ended my affiliation with the democratic party was the than mayor of Buffalo, a democrat with the name Anthony Masiello who was the dumbest most incompetent man to lead this city. I also became disgruntled with democrats in general because they have had longtime monolithic control over Buffalo and most other older northern cities which has been marked by decline, disinvestment, and severe urban decay. The democratic party has become lethal poison to the older northern American city and it really shows. All you have to do is look at troubled cities like Detroit, Flint, Baltimore, and my hometown of Buffalo and you will see the end results of one political party monolithic rule. It is not good.
  • PolitiMAC

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    Nov 15, 2014 10:55 PM GMT
    Right with you, all the way icon_smile.gif Libertarianism is the way to go! icon_biggrin.gif
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    Nov 15, 2014 10:58 PM GMT
    Libertarians; your over thinking this, only 1/3 of the population voted last election.
  • Zinc

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    Nov 16, 2014 1:58 AM GMT
    I'm libertarian.
  • XYlover69

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    Nov 16, 2014 2:26 AM GMT
    Absolutely.

    I'm socialist, animal-welfare oriented, pacifist.

    And vote as often as possible.
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    Nov 16, 2014 3:08 AM GMT
    Yes...search on Facebook, there's a group called - Against Equality, a collective of educated lgbtq who aren't affiliated with any political group, gay or straight..who discussed matters that the gay media ignores and are the nicest people.
  • theob

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    Nov 16, 2014 5:33 AM GMT
    What about climate change? How are we going to handle that problem with a government that is too small?

    I'd say it's the biggest problem we face moving forward.
  • tj85016

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    Nov 16, 2014 9:56 AM GMT
    theob saidWhat about climate change? How are we going to handle that problem with a government that is too small?

    I'd say it's the biggest problem we face moving forward.


    lol why do you need a big government to do anything about climate change? (which we can't do anything about anyway)

    India (60% coal), Africa, Australia (75% of electricity is from coal) are doing nothing
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    Nov 16, 2014 10:40 AM GMT
    tj85016 said
    theob saidWhat about climate change? How are we going to handle that problem with a government that is too small?

    I'd say it's the biggest problem we face moving forward.


    lol why do you need a big government to do anything about climate change? (which we can't do anything about anyway)

    India (60% coal), Africa, Australia (75% of electricity is from coal) are doing nothing

    Because it's the mess created by developed countries like USA, Russia, Canada in the first place. Have you recently checked the per capita CO2 emission ranking list?
  • jaroslav123

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    Nov 16, 2014 6:55 PM GMT
    I'm not American, but I can answer this question with the English equivalent. In England, the two main parties are Labour and Conservatives (lovingly/bitterly referred to as "The Tories").

    The Labour Party have betrayed the Labour movement.
    The Conservative Party have betrayed the conservative movement.

    Labour should be economically of the left, but it is economically right-wing.
    Conservative should conserve traditions but doesn't. The Conservative Party introduced gay marriage. Whether you agree with this or not is besides the point: gay marriage goes against traditionalism and thus against the concept of conservative society and the married heterosexual family unit.

    In simple terms, the Labour Party have urinated over the former economic-left roots and the Conservative Party have urinated over their former conservative social-roots.
  • tj85016

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    Nov 17, 2014 3:28 AM GMT
    lol the US can't afford a single-payer healthcare program with it's bloated and inefficient delivery system without massive rationing

    $3-3.5 Trillion a year is just too unmanageable for taxes to do it all
  • Bowyn_Aerrow

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    Nov 17, 2014 9:17 AM GMT
    I'm non partisan. Meaning I can vote any way I please... Well with limits.

    I did the Democrat and Republican thing earlier in this life... I also did Green, Libertarian and some others.

    I'm moderate centrist and feel there is absolutely no party that meets my views 100%.

  • bobbobbob

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    Nov 17, 2014 11:46 AM GMT
    I'm a true independent voter. Unlike most Americans I don't vote for whoever promises to give me something for free because, unlike most American voters, I understand nothing from the government is ever free.

    I don't vote based on parties beyond how economics have come to be mixed into political ideologies. I own a successful business that puts me in that tax bracket socialists like to revile as greedy capitalists. When my taxes go up so do the prices for the services my business provides. Primarily my customers are people who support higher taxes on people like me. Every time they try to stick it to us and all they do is stick it to themselves.... but they think they're getting free things from the government so they're happy.

    Beyond that I vote only on the experience, qualifications and record for honesty of candidates.
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    Nov 17, 2014 2:21 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    MarkGage20 saidI'm independent, but I am starting to look into the Libertarian Party. It has the policies I have: small, limited government. Cutting government interference from our lives, ex: the issue of marriage equality, getting government/states out of our marriages. Personal responsibility for our actions. Above all, liberty. Liberty to do as we see fit, so long as we do not interfere with others and their rights. And in turn, they do the same for us.

    It's a "live and let live" policy I love about the Libertarians. But what about y'alls?


    I've been a registered Independent from the day I was eligible to vote.



    Congress women Pelosi fresh from re-election now denies knowing Jonathan Gruber , whom she use to give credence to ACA. Gruber's comment about the American voter being stupid is spot on. But it's more about following a party line rather then looking at the issues that makes one vote stupid, a pawn of the unscrupulous . So keeping my promise I'm not going to be affiliated with a party that would re-elect this lying sack of shit.



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    Nov 17, 2014 9:27 PM GMT
    Alpha13 said
    southbeach1500 said
    MarkGage20 saidI'm independent, but I am starting to look into the Libertarian Party. It has the policies I have: small, limited government. Cutting government interference from our lives, ex: the issue of marriage equality, getting government/states out of our marriages. Personal responsibility for our actions. Above all, liberty. Liberty to do as we see fit, so long as we do not interfere with others and their rights. And in turn, they do the same for us.

    It's a "live and let live" policy I love about the Libertarians. But what about y'alls?


    I've been a registered Independent from the day I was eligible to vote.



    Congress women Pelosi fresh from re-election now denies knowing Jonathan Gruber, whom was an ACA author. Gruber's comment about the American voter being stupid is spot on. But it's more about following a party line rather then looking at the issues that makes one vote stupid, a pawn of the unscrupulous . So keeping my promise I'm not going to be affiliated with a party that would re-elect this lying sack of shit.



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    Nov 17, 2014 11:47 PM GMT
    Bowyn_Aerrow saidI'm non partisan. Meaning I can vote any way I please... Well with limits.

    I did the Democrat and Republican thing earlier in this life... I also did Green, Libertarian and some others.

    I'm moderate centrist and feel there is absolutely no party that meets my views 100%.


    Yup. Me too. I'm registered non-partisan.
    I can't vote in party primary elections, since I don't affiliate with a party. But I always have and always will vote for the people with the platform I most agree with.
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    Nov 20, 2014 2:05 AM GMT
    Im libertarian, if you are gay/lesbian its the only group which makes sense to join. Why does the government need to have a stake in marriage ? I laugh when people thing "liberals" care about them . You are just a guaranteed vote, and they string you along. Because if they did fix issues , they would loose you .
  • roadbikeRob

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    Nov 23, 2014 3:10 AM GMT
    JonSpringon said
    Bowyn_Aerrow saidI'm non partisan. Meaning I can vote any way I please... Well with limits.

    I did the Democrat and Republican thing earlier in this life... I also did Green, Libertarian and some others.

    I'm moderate centrist and feel there is absolutely no party that meets my views 100%.


    Yup. Me too. I'm registered non-partisan.
    I can't vote in party primary elections, since I don't affiliate with a party. But I always have and always will vote for the people with the platform I most agree with.
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    Nov 23, 2014 4:26 AM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    JonSpringon said
    Bowyn_Aerrow saidI'm non partisan. Meaning I can vote any way I please... Well with limits.

    I did the Democrat and Republican thing earlier in this life... I also did Green, Libertarian and some others.

    I'm moderate centrist and feel there is absolutely no party that meets my views 100%.


    Yup. Me too. I'm registered non-partisan.
    I can't vote in party primary elections, since I don't affiliate with a party. But I always have and always will vote for the people with the platform I most agree with.
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    The Democrat Tom Wolf. The incumbent Republican governor Tom Corbett was REALLY bad. I mean he had to have been for him to lose in a wave year like this one.
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    Nov 23, 2014 4:34 AM GMT
    TomSOCAL said
    tj85016 saidlol the US can't afford a single-payer healthcare program with it's bloated and inefficient delivery system without massive rationing

    $3-3.5 Trillion a year is just too unmanageable for taxes to do it all


    Single Payor is no problem at all. Most Americans already have insurance with Medicare, state programs, and insurance through
    their employers. We're just talking about, under Kucinich Kare, covering those without insurance, with absolutely no premiums.

    In Southern California, it costs $777 a year for someone working minimum wage 40 hrs a week to buy Obama Care Premiums.
    That is 5% of their income.

    That isn't fair, nor is it ethical. Those on minimum wage need free medical care under Kucinich Kare (a single payor plan).

    Readers here from Sweden, the Dutch, and Canada are probably laughing at these stupid debates between Obama Care folks versus Kucinich Kare folks. They have a single payor plan, and know that Kucinich Kare would work in the States.

    Obama Care does not even have progressive or liberal roots. It was developed after a report from the Ultra-Republican Heritage Foundation.


    You don't happen to mean 'single payer' do you?

  • Aug 17, 2015 5:58 AM GMT
    Ever since I registered to vote almost 6 years ago, I have officially been an Independent. I consider myself a Utilitarian, as such I prefer small government, progressive policies, and charities.
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    Aug 17, 2015 6:19 AM GMT
    Guess????