On The Down Low (conservative) or Out And Proud (liberal)

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    Nov 15, 2014 10:06 PM GMT
    In my heart of hearts and all sincerity, I do believe the main reason the republicans, especially the tea party and the religious right are so angry with gay people, our 'life style' is the fact that we, most, are out and proud and are encouraged to come out and live our lives openly and freely. I believe their perpetual hate for us comes from this encouragement. I also believe if our community would go back into the closet and stop the open encouragement, much like their small log cabin republican base, these conservatives would leave us alone or at least tone it down. "we tone it down, they tone it down"....a win win compromise?, just like our 2 party political system?

    Now, on the other hand. We all know the republicans and their religious right wing base point their social fingers at us, shame us...blah, blah. And we all know that some of these same people who scorn us are doing the same 'sexual sin' behind closed doors, also known as the Down Low, and get caught up in righteous scandals for being hypocrites. So why is it that the right and its republicans have such a problem with our community about being out and proud? Is it that they are shaming themselves by projecting the so called 'sinful behavior' unto those of us that are open?

    I just find this fascinating that both sides probably will never come to some compromise, in order to evolve, we cant just go back into the closet, but we could tone it down? Since we need to evolve, what is to come of the Down Low people who hide in the shadows, keep it to yourself, I don't care what you do in your bedroom, continue to point fingers at those who do the same thing but in the open and then get caught in blackmail or scandal?

    It would be nice that one day opens can be open without fear and down lows can be open without the same fear. Right now in history, it appears the conservative base hate us because we are out there, while they prefer us back in there or they wish they could be out there, but they cant. Utopia?, when liberals and conservatives unite socially. icon_wink.gif

    Why are the down lows such social misfits?
    Why are the out and proud social butterflys?



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    scruffLA saidIn my heart of hearts and all sincerity, I do believe the main reason the republicans, especially the tea party and the religious right are so angry with gay people, our 'life style' is the fact that we, most, are out and proud and are encouraged to come out and live our lives openly and freely. I believe their perpetual hate for us comes from this encouragement. I also believe if our community would go back into the closet and stop the open encouragement, much like their small log cabin republican base, these conservatives would leave us alone or at least tone it down. "we tone it down, they tone it down"....a win win compromise?, just like our 2 party political system?

    Now, on the other hand. We all know the republicans and their religious right wing base point their social fingers at us, shame us...blah, blah. And we all know that some of these same people who scorn us are doing the same 'sexual sin' behind closed doors, also known as the Down Low, and get caught up in righteous scandals for being hypocrites. So why is it that the right and its republicans have such a problem with our community about being out and proud? Is it that they are shaming themselves by projecting the so called 'sinful behavior' unto those of us that are open?

    I just find this fascinating that both sides probably will never come to some compromise, in order to evolve, we cant just go back into the closet, but we could tone it down? Since we need to evolve, what is to come of the Down Low people who hide in the shadows, keep it to yourself, I don't care what you do in your bedroom, continue to point fingers at those who do the same thing but in the open and then get caught in blackmail or scandal?

    It would be nice that one day opens can be open without fear and down lows can be open without the same fear. Right now in history, it appears the conservative base hate us because we are out there, while they prefer us back in there or they wish they could be out there, but they cant. Utopia?, when liberals and conservatives unite socially. icon_wink.gif

    Why are the down lows such social misfits?
    Why are the out and proud social butterflys?






    So why is it that the right and its republicans have such a problem with our community about being out and proud?


    They don't. But it helps your narrative to proclaim it so.




    ^ Just to be clear, so you are saying the out and proud is not the problem for the down low conservatives but the problem lies with the down lows and the conservatives themselves and their projection onto the out and proud, wishing they could be out and proud too, but cant due to their ideology? Or are you blaming the ideology of the down low conservative that prevent them from being out and proud?

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    Nov 15, 2014 11:01 PM GMT
    I think the problem the conservatives have with the out and proud people is that we are proof of change. Single mothers, out gays, easy divorce, black president, etc are all visible evidence of the massive shift in the world since the 1960s.
    The real shifts they feel are economic instability and major inequality. But those are abstract things. There is very little that we can count on in life anymore. People are afraid and feel uncertain. So they lash out at people who look or act differently.
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    scruffLA said
    southbeach1500 said
    scruffLA saidIn my heart of hearts and all sincerity, I do believe the main reason the republicans, especially the tea party and the religious right are so angry with gay people, our 'life style' is the fact that we, most, are out and proud and are encouraged to come out and live our lives openly and freely. I believe their perpetual hate for us comes from this encouragement. I also believe if our community would go back into the closet and stop the open encouragement, much like their small log cabin republican base, these conservatives would leave us alone or at least tone it down. "we tone it down, they tone it down"....a win win compromise?, just like our 2 party political system?

    Now, on the other hand. We all know the republicans and their religious right wing base point their social fingers at us, shame us...blah, blah. And we all know that some of these same people who scorn us are doing the same 'sexual sin' behind closed doors, also known as the Down Low, and get caught up in righteous scandals for being hypocrites. So why is it that the right and its republicans have such a problem with our community about being out and proud? Is it that they are shaming themselves by projecting the so called 'sinful behavior' unto those of us that are open?

    I just find this fascinating that both sides probably will never come to some compromise, in order to evolve, we cant just go back into the closet, but we could tone it down? Since we need to evolve, what is to come of the Down Low people who hide in the shadows, keep it to yourself, I don't care what you do in your bedroom, continue to point fingers at those who do the same thing but in the open and then get caught in blackmail or scandal?

    It would be nice that one day opens can be open without fear and down lows can be open without the same fear. Right now in history, it appears the conservative base hate us because we are out there, while they prefer us back in there or they wish they could be out there, but they cant. Utopia?, when liberals and conservatives unite socially. icon_wink.gif

    Why are the down lows such social misfits?
    Why are the out and proud social butterflys?






    So why is it that the right and its republicans have such a problem with our community about being out and proud?


    They don't. But it helps your narrative to proclaim it so.




    ^ Just to be clear, so you are saying the out and proud is not the problem for the down low conservatives but the problem lies with the down lows and the conservatives themselves and their projection onto the out and proud, wishing they could be out and proud too, but cant due to their ideology? Or are you blaming the ideology of the down low conservative that prevent them from being out and proud?



    You generalize to fit your narrative. That's where it all falls apart.




    Of course its general, and your projecting, its simple question and answer, any high school senior with political science and or psychology 101 could answer the questions with an in-depth answer, the statement has two questions, do you have an answer from the down low conservative side?

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    Nov 15, 2014 11:13 PM GMT
    Wyndahoi saidI think the problem the conservatives have with the out and proud people is that we are proof of change. Single mothers, out gays, easy divorce, black president, etc are all visible evidence of the massive shift in the world since the 1960s.
    The real shifts they feel are economic instability and major inequality. But those are abstract things. There is very little that we can count on in life anymore. People are afraid and feel uncertain. So they lash out at people who look or act differently.



    Thank you, makes sense to me, Southbeach doesn't seem to have an answer as in-depth as that one icon_cool.gif

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    Nov 15, 2014 11:19 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    scruffLA said
    southbeach1500 said
    scruffLA said
    southbeach1500 said
    scruffLA saidIn my heart of hearts and all sincerity, I do believe the main reason the republicans, especially the tea party and the religious right are so angry with gay people, our 'life style' is the fact that we, most, are out and proud and are encouraged to come out and live our lives openly and freely. I believe their perpetual hate for us comes from this encouragement. I also believe if our community would go back into the closet and stop the open encouragement, much like their small log cabin republican base, these conservatives would leave us alone or at least tone it down. "we tone it down, they tone it down"....a win win compromise?, just like our 2 party political system?

    Now, on the other hand. We all know the republicans and their religious right wing base point their social fingers at us, shame us...blah, blah. And we all know that some of these same people who scorn us are doing the same 'sexual sin' behind closed doors, also known as the Down Low, and get caught up in righteous scandals for being hypocrites. So why is it that the right and its republicans have such a problem with our community about being out and proud? Is it that they are shaming themselves by projecting the so called 'sinful behavior' unto those of us that are open?

    I just find this fascinating that both sides probably will never come to some compromise, in order to evolve, we cant just go back into the closet, but we could tone it down? Since we need to evolve, what is to come of the Down Low people who hide in the shadows, keep it to yourself, I don't care what you do in your bedroom, continue to point fingers at those who do the same thing but in the open and then get caught in blackmail or scandal?

    It would be nice that one day opens can be open without fear and down lows can be open without the same fear. Right now in history, it appears the conservative base hate us because we are out there, while they prefer us back in there or they wish they could be out there, but they cant. Utopia?, when liberals and conservatives unite socially. icon_wink.gif

    Why are the down lows such social misfits?
    Why are the out and proud social butterflys?






    So why is it that the right and its republicans have such a problem with our community about being out and proud?


    They don't. But it helps your narrative to proclaim it so.




    ^ Just to be clear, so you are saying the out and proud is not the problem for the down low conservatives but the problem lies with the down lows and the conservatives themselves and their projection onto the out and proud, wishing they could be out and proud too, but cant due to their ideology? Or are you blaming the ideology of the down low conservative that prevent them from being out and proud?



    You generalize to fit your narrative. That's where it all falls apart.




    Of course its general, and your projecting, its simple question and answer, any high school senior with political science and or psychology 101 could answer the questions with an in-depth answer, the statement has two questions, do you have an answer from the down low conservative side?



    Making generalizations is wrong. And when one generalizes, what one is generalizing about is incorrect (i.e. gays are limp-wristed and effeminate). Get it?




    You learn that behavior speak and spin from your Faux News channel? Christ, just answer the dam fucking question dip shit icon_lol.gif

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    Nov 15, 2014 11:49 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    scruffLA said
    southbeach1500 said
    scruffLA said
    southbeach1500 said
    scruffLA said
    southbeach1500 said
    scruffLA saidIn my heart of hearts and all sincerity, I do believe the main reason the republicans, especially the tea party and the religious right are so angry with gay people, our 'life style' is the fact that we, most, are out and proud and are encouraged to come out and live our lives openly and freely. I believe their perpetual hate for us comes from this encouragement. I also believe if our community would go back into the closet and stop the open encouragement, much like their small log cabin republican base, these conservatives would leave us alone or at least tone it down. "we tone it down, they tone it down"....a win win compromise?, just like our 2 party political system?

    Now, on the other hand. We all know the republicans and their religious right wing base point their social fingers at us, shame us...blah, blah. And we all know that some of these same people who scorn us are doing the same 'sexual sin' behind closed doors, also known as the Down Low, and get caught up in righteous scandals for being hypocrites. So why is it that the right and its republicans have such a problem with our community about being out and proud? Is it that they are shaming themselves by projecting the so called 'sinful behavior' unto those of us that are open?

    I just find this fascinating that both sides probably will never come to some compromise, in order to evolve, we cant just go back into the closet, but we could tone it down? Since we need to evolve, what is to come of the Down Low people who hide in the shadows, keep it to yourself, I don't care what you do in your bedroom, continue to point fingers at those who do the same thing but in the open and then get caught in blackmail or scandal?

    It would be nice that one day opens can be open without fear and down lows can be open without the same fear. Right now in history, it appears the conservative base hate us because we are out there, while they prefer us back in there or they wish they could be out there, but they cant. Utopia?, when liberals and conservatives unite socially. icon_wink.gif

    Why are the down lows such social misfits?
    Why are the out and proud social butterflys?






    So why is it that the right and its republicans have such a problem with our community about being out and proud?


    They don't. But it helps your narrative to proclaim it so.




    ^ Just to be clear, so you are saying the out and proud is not the problem for the down low conservatives but the problem lies with the down lows and the conservatives themselves and their projection onto the out and proud, wishing they could be out and proud too, but cant due to their ideology? Or are you blaming the ideology of the down low conservative that prevent them from being out and proud?



    You generalize to fit your narrative. That's where it all falls apart.




    Of course its general, and your projecting, its simple question and answer, any high school senior with political science and or psychology 101 could answer the questions with an in-depth answer, the statement has two questions, do you have an answer from the down low conservative side?



    Making generalizations is wrong. And when one generalizes, what one is generalizing about is incorrect (i.e. gays are limp-wristed and effeminate). Get it?




    You learn that behavior speak and spin from your Faux News channel? Christ, just answer the dam fucking question dip shit icon_lol.gif



    Oh dear, the liberal is getting agitated. I did answer your question, but I'll repost it here:

    So why is it that the right and its republicans have such a problem with our community about being out and proud?

    They don't. But it helps your narrative to proclaim it so.




    As usual, conservative complete failure to communicate, one more time, troll icon_rolleyes.gif

    Here are your questions:

    Just to be clear, so you are saying the out and proud is not the problem for the down low conservatives but the problem lies with the down lows and the conservatives themselves and their projection onto the out and proud, wishing they could be out and proud too, but cant due to their ideology? Or are you blaming the ideology of the down low conservative that prevent them from being out and proud?
    Why are the down lows such social misfits?
    Why are the out and proud social butterflys?

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    Nov 16, 2014 12:07 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    scruffLA said
    southbeach1500 said
    scruffLA said
    southbeach1500 said
    scruffLA said
    southbeach1500 said
    scruffLA said
    southbeach1500 said
    scruffLA saidIn my heart of hearts and all sincerity, I do believe the main reason the republicans, especially the tea party and the religious right are so angry with gay people, our 'life style' is the fact that we, most, are out and proud and are encouraged to come out and live our lives openly and freely. I believe their perpetual hate for us comes from this encouragement. I also believe if our community would go back into the closet and stop the open encouragement, much like their small log cabin republican base, these conservatives would leave us alone or at least tone it down. "we tone it down, they tone it down"....a win win compromise?, just like our 2 party political system?

    Now, on the other hand. We all know the republicans and their religious right wing base point their social fingers at us, shame us...blah, blah. And we all know that some of these same people who scorn us are doing the same 'sexual sin' behind closed doors, also known as the Down Low, and get caught up in righteous scandals for being hypocrites. So why is it that the right and its republicans have such a problem with our community about being out and proud? Is it that they are shaming themselves by projecting the so called 'sinful behavior' unto those of us that are open?

    I just find this fascinating that both sides probably will never come to some compromise, in order to evolve, we cant just go back into the closet, but we could tone it down? Since we need to evolve, what is to come of the Down Low people who hide in the shadows, keep it to yourself, I don't care what you do in your bedroom, continue to point fingers at those who do the same thing but in the open and then get caught in blackmail or scandal?

    It would be nice that one day opens can be open without fear and down lows can be open without the same fear. Right now in history, it appears the conservative base hate us because we are out there, while they prefer us back in there or they wish they could be out there, but they cant. Utopia?, when liberals and conservatives unite socially. icon_wink.gif

    Why are the down lows such social misfits?
    Why are the out and proud social butterflys?






    So why is it that the right and its republicans have such a problem with our community about being out and proud?


    They don't. But it helps your narrative to proclaim it so.




    ^ Just to be clear, so you are saying the out and proud is not the problem for the down low conservatives but the problem lies with the down lows and the conservatives themselves and their projection onto the out and proud, wishing they could be out and proud too, but cant due to their ideology? Or are you blaming the ideology of the down low conservative that prevent them from being out and proud?



    You generalize to fit your narrative. That's where it all falls apart.




    Of course its general, and your projecting, its simple question and answer, any high school senior with political science and or psychology 101 could answer the questions with an in-depth answer, the statement has two questions, do you have an answer from the down low conservative side?



    Making generalizations is wrong. And when one generalizes, what one is generalizing about is incorrect (i.e. gays are limp-wristed and effeminate). Get it?




    You learn that behavior speak and spin from your Faux News channel? Christ, just answer the dam fucking question dip shit icon_lol.gif



    Oh dear, the liberal is getting agitated. I did answer your question, but I'll repost it here:

    So why is it that the right and its republicans have such a problem with our community about being out and proud?

    They don't. But it helps your narrative to proclaim it so.




    As usual, conservative complete failure to communicate, one more time, troll icon_rolleyes.gif

    Here are your questions:

    Just to be clear, so you are saying the out and proud is not the problem for the down low conservatives but the problem lies with the down lows and the conservatives themselves and their projection onto the out and proud, wishing they could be out and proud too, but cant due to their ideology? Or are you blaming the ideology of the down low conservative that prevent them from being out and proud?
    Why are the down lows such social misfits?
    Why are the out and proud social butterflys?




    What you are asking is a "when did you stop beating your wife" type of question.

    Again, just to make it clear, as I wrote earlier:

    Making generalizations is wrong. And when one generalizes, what one is generalizing about is incorrect (i.e. gays are limp-wristed and effeminate). Get it?




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  • bobbobbob

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    Nov 16, 2014 12:52 AM GMT
    You lost your own argument with your title.

    "On The Down Low (conservative) or Out And Proud (liberal)"

    Down low ≠ conservative.......... Out and Proud ≠ Liberal



    scruffLA saidI do believe the main reason the republicans, especially the tea party and the religious right are so angry with gay people, our 'life style' is the fact that we, most, are out and proud and are encouraged to come out and live our lives openly and freely. I believe their perpetual hate for us comes from this encouragement. I also believe if our community would go back into the closet and stop the open encouragement, much like their small log cabin republican base, these conservatives would leave us alone or at least tone it down. "we tone it down, they tone it down"....a win win compromise?, just like our 2 party political system?

    It would work better for you if you'd build your argument on facts that you know rather than resort a reliance on beliefs like fundamentalists do when they speak of gays.


    Now, on the other hand. We all know the republicans and their religious right wing base point their social fingers at us, shame us...blah, blah. And we all know that some of these same people who scorn us are doing the same 'sexual sin' behind closed doors, also known as the Down Low, and get caught up in righteous scandals for being hypocrites. So why is it that the right and its republicans have such a problem with our community about being out and proud? Is it that they are shaming themselves by projecting the so called 'sinful behavior' unto those of us that are open?

    You started out speaking about conservatives and switch to Republicans. Not all conservatives are Republicans or religious, or straight or closeted. You would do better not to speculate about their generalized behavior (based on belief I suppose)

    I just find this fascinating that both sides probably will never come to some compromise, in order to evolve, we cant just go back into the closet, but we could tone it down? Since we need to evolve, what is to come of the Down Low people who hide in the shadows, keep it to yourself, I don't care what you do in your bedroom, continue to point fingers at those who do the same thing but in the open and then get caught in blackmail or scandal?

    It would be nice that one day opens can be open without fear and down lows can be open without the same fear. Right now in history, it appears the conservative base hate us because we are out there, while they prefer us back in there or they wish they could be out there, but they cant. Utopia?, when liberals and conservatives unite socially. icon_wink.gif

    Why are the down lows such social misfits?
    Why are the out and proud social butterflys?


    It's pretty obvious you know nothing about conservatives except what you've been spoon fed by your preferred media sources. Maybe you should get to Carl DeMaio, from San Diego and ask him about conservatives who don't fit your cookie cutter version of people.
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    Nov 16, 2014 1:18 AM GMT
    bobbobbob saidYou lost your own argument with your title.

    "On The Down Low (conservative) or Out And Proud (liberal)"

    Down low ≠ conservative.......... Out and Proud ≠ Liberal

    scruffLA said


    Why are the down lows such social misfits?
    Why are the out and proud social butterflys?






    3 posts? southbeach sock, nice try, on ignore icon_lol.gif



  • roadbikeRob

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    Nov 16, 2014 6:51 AM GMT
    scruffLA said
    bobbobbob saidYou lost your own argument with your title.

    "On The Down Low (conservative) or Out And Proud (liberal)"

    Down low ≠ conservative.......... Out and Proud ≠ Liberal

    scruffLA said


    Why are the down lows such social misfits?
    Why are the out and proud social butterflys?






    3 posts? southbeach sock, nice try, on ignore icon_lol.gif



    No sock there. The guy stated a very factual viewpoint. Not all conservatives are republican, religious, and self loathing. You are jumping to conclusions before you have seen the big picture.
  • tj85016

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    Nov 16, 2014 4:14 PM GMT
    yeah paint everyone with a broad brush like the media wants you to

    depends on the issue
  • muscleboundfe...

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    Nov 16, 2014 4:33 PM GMT
    Lol you sound like 90% of the gay dudes in Houston, a southern city. Even though out ones try to tone it down, aka stay closeted, out of respect. The truth is they hate us for the very reasons they say they hate us. They believe we are evil, abnormal, and a threat to the way they believe society should operate. Toning it down only reaffirms their views. They hate that we are out because it forces them to expose their bigotry. An exposed bigot is endanger of being treated the way they treat others. Lol I once heard a woman on the Diane Rheme show complain about feeling ostracized for her views against gay people. Someone on the show mentioned that gay people had been ostracized for years. Now she is experiencing a feeling she felt so free to impose upon others when gays felt it was necessary to tone it down.
  • waccamatt

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    Nov 17, 2014 6:28 AM GMT
    You'd have to kill me to shove me back in the closet. To hell with what the Republican'ts think.
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    waccamatt saidYou'd have to kill me to shove me back in the closet. To hell with what the Republican'ts think.


    Its just that we are sick and fucking tired of the shameful hypocrisy of the closet case republican and their religious pointy fingers, bohemian grove goes both ways icon_rolleyes.gif


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    waccamatt saidYou'd have to kill me to shove me back in the closet. To hell with what the Republican'ts think.


    99% of Republicans? 82%? 71%? 42%? 29%? 5%?




    The actual percentages are irrelevant. I think we have to look at the Republican/Conservative platform. What is it the Republicans (House and Senate) vote for or against. This sets the stage for what Republicans believe as a group, regardless of the actual percentage.

    For instance the "Tea Party Republicans" seem to be driving the Conservative agenda in Washington. Although these people may be a minority in the Republican party, they seem to be speaking for the party in general.
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    Nov 17, 2014 9:09 PM GMT
    i would like conservatives to "tone down" all of the baseless character attacks on myself and my family. and if they're having "DL" or jealousy issues at home, that's their own fakery and dishonesty with their lives/families which just isn't our problem to solve.

    women can never be demure/subservient enough, brown people can never be white enough, foreigners can never be american enough, and gay people can never be straight enough for some of these people. if they're all supposed to "tone it down" for grandpa so he can feel good about them then the answer is obvious: a retirement home for grandpa icon_lol.gif
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    Nov 18, 2014 7:20 PM GMT
    Many far-right conservatives like to complain just for the sake of complaining ... so no matter what you do they will always find something to bitch about.