At the End of the Gospel of John, a Reference to the Jewish Revolt

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    Nov 15, 2014 11:42 PM GMT
    The writing of the Gospel of John is said to date from 90 to 95 C.E. after Josephus' Wars of the Jews (75 C.E.) When the Gospel of John refers to Simon Peter dying but John living, it is a reference to two of the leading zealots who revolted against Rome (66-73 C.E.). Their names were Simon and John.

    War of the Jews, Book 6, Chapter 9, Section 4, 433-434: John wanted food together with his brethren. He begged the Romans for their right hand for his security. He was condemned to perpetual imprisonment (John lives). Simon surrendered, reserved to be bound (brought where he did not want to go) for the triumphal march in Rome and then slain (Peter dies).
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    Nov 16, 2014 12:43 AM GMT
    Rome is known for absorbing the religion of their opponents. When Rome absorbed Messianic Judaism, it absorbed the gospels and grafted itself (the Flavian empire) onto the gospels. The above is evidence of that.

    The first Flavian emperor, Vespasian, took on the Star Prophecy (Star of Bethlehem Prophecy). The second Flavian emperor, Titus, took on the Son of Man coming in glory in the clouds after a great tribulation, the Jewish Revolt; and, his triumphal arch shows him in clouds. The third Flavian emperor, Domitian, is all over the Book of Revelation: Living God (he deified himself instead of being done so after death by the Senate), Alpha and Omega (he was the first and last Flavian emperor—after he murdered Clement, he knew his succession would go to a non-Flavian), he rode a white horse, his priests wore gold crowns and white robes, he killed a famous woman for sexual immorality, revelation speaks of a woman killed for sexual immorality.
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    Nov 16, 2014 4:33 PM GMT
    Gospel of John? Wasn't that little novela put together about 40 years post crucifixtion? Common sense would suggest that a significant amount of that storytelling was altered along the way. Any thoughts?
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    Nov 16, 2014 4:54 PM GMT
    All this religious bullshit you spew has no place on this site. Go away and hook up with other religious nut cases on a site made to attract the weak of mind.
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    Nov 16, 2014 8:28 PM GMT
    Destinharbor saidAll this religious bullshit you spew has no place on this site. Go away and hook up with other religious nut cases on a site made to attract the weak of mind.


    Religion is an aspect of a holistic life. It is an aspect of World Civilization and Western Civilization. It is worthy of investigation. A real jock does not stand alone, isolated from from civilization, society, community, or family.

    You can't deal and this shows you're weak of mind.

    There are gays, lesbians, and breeders who have been married, had their children blessed, and have been buried in ceremonies officiated by the religious.

    I respectfully disagree with the content and rudeness of your reply, block your profile, and ignore all your future posts.

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    Nov 16, 2014 8:35 PM GMT
    Koastal saidGospel of John? Wasn't that little novella put together about 40 years post crucifixtion? Common sense would suggest that a significant amount of that storytelling was altered along the way. Any thoughts?


    40 + 33 or 36 only get you to 73-76 C.E. Scholars are saying it wasn't put together until 90-95 C.E.

    The point being made in the original post is that Rome's intelligentsia during the Flavian Empire, wrote themselves into the Gospel of John and the Book of Revelation. They were not blatant about it; so, you won't find the majority of the gospels to tell a Flavian story, for example, the story of the Flavian victory over the Jewish Revolt; but, you will find undeniable Flavian markings.
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    Nov 16, 2014 8:37 PM GMT
    StephenOABC said
    Koastal saidGospel of John? Wasn't that little novella put together about 40 years post crucifixtion? Common sense would suggest that a significant amount of that storytelling was altered along the way. Any thoughts?


    40 + 33 or 36 only get you to 73-76 C.E. Scholars are saying it wasn't put together until 90-95 C.E.

    The point being made in the original post is that Rome's intelligentsia during the Flavian Empire, wrote themselves into the Gospel of John and the Book of Revelation. They were not blatant about it; so, you won't find the majority of the gospels to tell a Flavian story, for example, the story of the Flavian victory over the Jewish Revolt; but, you will find undeniable Flavian markings.


    And to speak directly to your question, the Flavian markings are significant alterations along the way.
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    Nov 16, 2014 9:41 PM GMT
    Destinharbor saidAll this religious bullshit you spew has no place on this site. Go away and hook up with other religious nut cases on a site made to attract the weak of mind.


    Why make an issue of it? Surely a person who is not weak of mind could ignore the posts if he doesn't like them.

    That said, I am much more concerned with how people treat each other than I am with exactly what they believe. People of all faith traditions or no faith traditions have been known to treat others abominably or lovingly. The correlation between belief and action is considerably less than unity despite claims to the contrary.

    I personally don't see such detail as important, but others do and I see no reason to object to their expressing themselves.
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    Nov 16, 2014 11:16 PM GMT
    I'm just getting sick of these nut cases that feel compelled to clog this site with their silly agendas. This isn't a religious discussion site and this bozo creates thread after thread of goofball micro-stupid religious questions. I've entered into discussions that looked at religion in context of society and enjoyed the discussion. But this guy is a nuts. Like a few others here that constantly set up threads on the same topic with minor variations and never listen to anything anyone says.
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    Nov 17, 2014 7:50 AM GMT
    Stephen, do you go by the username Gnostic Christian on the Escapist? I frequent those forums, and that guy's arguments sound a whole heap like yours. It's uncanny.
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    Nov 17, 2014 11:22 PM GMT
    Trontastic saidStephen, do you go by the username Gnostic Christian on the Escapist? I frequent those forums, and that guy's arguments sound a whole heap like yours. It's uncanny.


    Off topic. I'll answer you in your inbox.

    P.S.: just googled Escapist. I see something about a magazine about video games.

    Second, (and this can be a separate thread for anyone who wants to start it) I haven't latched on to any of the Gnostic Gospels; so, I doubt I can be a Gnostic Christian.

    My opinions of the Gnostic Gospels aren't that high. For example:

    Gospel of Thomas - Jesus on marijuana

    Gospel of Judas - Jesus is a little bit too above it all, laughing at his disciples. Somehow, Judas understands Jesus.