Religious Decision: Peter Kassig Chose Islam Not Historically Accurate Christianity / ISIS Beheads American, Peter Kassig

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    Nov 17, 2014 12:59 AM GMT
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    Obama Condemns Islamic State’s Killing of Peter Kassig


    GAZIANTEP, Turkey — President Obama on Sunday confirmed the death of the American aid worker Peter Kassig, a former Army Ranger who disappeared over a year ago at a checkpoint in northeastern Syria while delivering medical supplies.

    The president’s midafternoon statement came hours after the Islamic State released a video showing a black-clad executioner standing over the severed head of a man it identified as Mr. Kassig.

    Mr. Kassig “was taken from us in an act of pure evil by a terrorist group,” Mr. Obama said in a statement from aboard Air force One that was read to the news media in Washington.

    In recent days, American intelligence agencies received strong indications that the Islamic State had killed Mr. Kassig. The president’s announcement was the first official confirmation of his death.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/17/world/middleeast/peter-kassig-isis-video-execution.html?_r=0
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    Nov 17, 2014 1:07 AM GMT
    Former hostages held alongside Mr. Kassig described how he worried that his past as an Iraq war veteran might doom him. His record of service was quickly discovered by their extremist captors, who forced the hostages to hand over the passwords to their email and social media accounts, then scanned their emails, Facebook timelines and private chats for evidence of collusion with foreign governments.

    “One day, the guards burst in, and they said: ‘Peter?'   " recalled one of Mr. Kassig’s cellmates, who was released for ransom this year. “He said, ‘Yes, sir.’ And then the guard said, ‘Are you a soldier?'   “

    There was a pause. And then Mr. Kassig answered, “Yes, sir,” said the former hostage, who like others spoke on the condition of anonymity in order to discuss a sensitive matter.

    In the months leading up to his death, Mr. Kassig seemed to know the end was near.

    In a letter to his parents smuggled out this summer, he describes his fear: “I am obviously pretty scared to die, but the hardest part is not knowing, wondering, hoping and wondering if I should even hope at all,” he wrote. “Just know I’m with you. Every stream, every lake, every field and river. In the woods and in the hills, in all the places you showed me. I love you.”
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    Nov 17, 2014 1:13 AM GMT
    How American captive Peter Kassig converted to Islam in ISIS captivity and now prays five times a day under the new name Abdul-Rahman

    Peter Kassig now known as Abdul-Rahman, meaning 'slave of the merciful'

    His parents insist his 'journey toward Islam' started before his capture

    26-year-old shared a cell with devout Muslim and converted by Dec 2013

    He told them in letter he prays five times a day and faith gives him comfort

    His mother Paula wore headscarf in appeal to ISIS and she tweets in Arabic

    Quran teaches Muslims cannot kill other Muslims unless by accident


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2782441/How-American-captive-Peter-Kassig-converted-Islam-ISIS-captivity-prays-five-times-day-new-Abdul-Rahman.html

    a good article - informative
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    Nov 17, 2014 1:25 AM GMT
    Peter Kassig
    converted to Islam,
    changed his name
    prayed five times a day
    started his 'journey toward Islam' in 2013 while living and working with Syrian Muslims for his own humanitarian aid company in Beirut.

    According to a statement tweeted by Ed and Paula Kassig last night, their son observed a month-long Ramadan fast between July and August 2013, which had a 'great impact on him'.

    ~ ~ ~

    Isn't it good to provide humanitarian aid?
    He chose not to do so as a Christian but as a Muslim.

    Isn't it good to respect people of other faiths? Peter did this as he worked side by side with Muslims for the sake of providing humanitarian aid.
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    Nov 17, 2014 1:31 AM GMT
    This seems to be an informative article on additional reasons why people convert from Christianity to Islam:

    The Middle East Quarterly
    Spring 2009
    "Muslim Strategies to Convert Western Christians"

    http://www.meforum.org/2104/muslim-strategies-to-convert-western-christians
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    Nov 17, 2014 1:37 AM GMT
    "Those who embrace Islam tend to do so after years of contact with Muslims."

    - The Economist in an article "The Economist Explains How Many People Convert to Islam?" September 29, 2013

    http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2013/09/economist-explains-17


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    Nov 17, 2014 10:22 PM GMT
    from one psychosis to an almost identical one, is not really a change.
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    Nov 17, 2014 11:12 PM GMT
    Apparition saidfrom one psychosis to an almost identical one, is not really a change.


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    I'm not into sarcasm or personal attacks, so, I have to block your profile and ignore all of your future posts.

    Hopefully, future replies will contribute to the topic of conversation.

    It's highly unfortunate that Peter Kassig opened his heart and life to doing something good but then he gets caught being a soldier and is killed.
  • Bylt4U

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    Nov 18, 2014 12:08 AM GMT
    Kassig's conversion did nothing to help save him from the death cult of ISIS.
    What is your purpose Stephen in posting this issue? You seem awfully thin-skinned as you get one comment that disparages Islam and Christianity and you get all huffy and block him?
    Shame on you.
    You want to raise a discussion? Then don't expect people to just agree with you. His comment was pithy and valid.
    Many of us [particularly in the LGBT community] are secularists/atheists. The dogmas of all these ancient religions are under rational attack and Islamists more than any other, KILL people who disagree with them.
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    Nov 18, 2014 2:08 AM GMT
    the scum bag Saudi's have beheaded 60 people this year alone for various crimes (Human Rights Watch), yet nobody says a peep.

    Last year they beheaded 79 people in Saudi Arabia

    Arabs
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    Nov 18, 2014 2:09 AM GMT
    "Historically accurate Christianity" is an oxymoron. Nothing in the Old/New Testament is verifiable and much of it is even completely false. For example, there was never a mass exodus of Jews from Egypt. A flood never occurred as evidenced by natural topography/geography and flora that is older than the bible claims the earth is. No man named Jesus is ever even mentioned once in 1st century Palestinian history/government/poetry/art/etc., which is an extremely well-documented epoch of time. The idea that Christianity is somehow superior is Islam is absurd. Faith and belief stem from the evolution of false-positive errors that kept us alive on the plains; we ran from noises even though nothing was there. This lead us to have an innate desire to look for meaning where there is none. There is no god. No one is coming to save you.

    Belief "amounts to a willful disregard of the evidence and a flight form self knowledge."

    Study real science. Much more happiness will come to you I assure you.
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    Nov 18, 2014 3:07 AM GMT
    coloradojock16 said"Historically accurate Christianity" is an oxymoron. Nothing in the Old/New Testament is verifiable and much of it is even completely false. For example, there was never a mass exodus of Jews from Egypt. A flood never occurred as evidenced by natural topography/geography and flora that is older than the bible claims the earth is. No man named Jesus is ever even mentioned once in 1st century Palestinian history/government/poetry/art/etc., which is an extremely well-documented epoch of time. The idea that Christianity is somehow superior is Islam is absurd. Faith and belief stem from the evolution of false-positive errors that kept us alive on the plains; we ran from noises even though nothing was there. This lead us to have an innate desire to look for meaning where there is none. There is no god. No one is coming to save you.

    Belief "amounts to a willful disregard of the evidence and a flight form self knowledge."

    Study real science. Much more happiness will come to you I assure you.



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    Nov 18, 2014 4:10 AM GMT
    Bylt4U

    Kassig's conversion did nothing to help save him from the death cult of ISIS.

    Stephenoabc

    That is true. The articles mentioned two reasons for that: 1) ISIS has its own rules and 2) Kassig was a soldier.

    Bylt4U

    What is your purpose Stephen in posting this issue?

    Stephenoabc

    Current events.

    Bylt4U

    You seem awfully thin-skinned as you get one comment that disparages Islam and Christianity and you get all huffy and block him?
    Shame on you.


    StephenOABC

    Shame on me for refusing to be disparaged? Shame on me for refusing to have something in life that I care about disparaged? Think about that again.


    Bylt4U

    You want to raise a discussion? Then don't expect people to just agree with you. His comment was pithy and valid.


    StephenOABC

    His comment was invalid. Psychosis is a severe mental disorder.

    Some of the people I care about and who care about me are religious. The talented organists I've worked with, the talented singers I've worked with, pillars of the community ministers, family members and non-family members, people who have a good heart, people who feed the hungry, people who build houses for the homeless, ...

    Think again about who should be insulted and whether or not they deserve and want to hear it.


    Bylt4U

    Many of us [particularly in the LGBT community] are secularists/atheists. The dogmas of all these ancient religions are under rational attack.


    Stephenoabc

    In my field of biblical criticism and writing on the historical accuracy of the Bible, our approach to education is not to attack but to educate. We use rational methods.

    Yes, I could easily work in preservation, Art History, what have you. Two of my best friends got their Master's degree in Art History from NYU.

    Rational attack, as if secularists and atheists are better than religious people. As if !


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    Nov 18, 2014 4:20 AM GMT
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    "Historically accurate Christianity" is an oxymoron. Nothing in the Old/New Testament is verifiable and much of it is even completely false. For example, there was never a mass exodus of Jews from Egypt.


    StephenOABC

    Wrong. There was a mass exodus of Jews from Egypt. I wrote about it in my nonfiction book, The Greatest Bible Study in Historical Accuracy, First Edition.

    James Hoffmeier, connected with the Biblical Archaeological Society, wrote about it in his nonfiction book, Ancient Israel in Sinai: The Evidence for the Authenticity of the Wilderness Tradition.

    In my book, I discuss the historical account of the exodus that appears outside of the Bible. In Hoffmeier's book, he goes one step further with archeological evidence.
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    Nov 18, 2014 4:23 AM GMT
    Study real science?

    Art History and Archaeology is real. What? King Tut's golden mask isn't real?
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    Nov 18, 2014 4:41 AM GMT
    Dude - I'm sorry to tell you but there is quite literally not a SINGLE piece of archeological evidence to supports your claim that the Jews were EVER in Egypt, trekked in the desert for 40 years, or were ever at Mt Sinai. Writing about something in a book does not make it true; it requires evidence.

    It is also quite interesting to note that to walk from Ciaro to Sinai would take about 3.5 days (non-stop walking.) To walk from Sinai to Jerusalem would take another 4.2 days (non-stop walking.) A total of about 8 days when lead by Google. When led by god --> 40 YEARS!!!!!

    Also - stop touting your self-published book. Literally no one cares. Also, where is your last name? Cher, Bono, Madonna and Sting are world famous. You're not. You only having one name just makes you sound priggish and delusional, for lack of a better word. haha

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    Nov 18, 2014 12:22 PM GMT
    This was a horrible tragedy. I believe his parents when they say his conversion started before he went to Syria. He obviously went to Afghanistan to find a war that was not fought for honor but rather vengeance and control.
    He wanted to atone. Every action he took showed he wanted to do good for all the evil he has seen.

    I feel horrible that such a good life was taken from this world. It makes no sense for ISIS to kill a believer unless they wanted him to become one of their zombies. The more I read about ISIS the more it seems they are an independent organization that contradicts everything about the faith they claim to follow.

    I think most likely they thought he was a spy. A lot of CIA agents go into the countries like Syria, Iraq and Pakistan under groups like US aid workers, missionaries, UN volunteers, and other affiliated development organizations to have reach into restricted areas. Otherwise why kill a convert? Makes n sense at all. I keep hoping he secretly survived as his beheading was not shown on tape.
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    Nov 18, 2014 5:11 PM GMT
    coloradojock16 said"Historically accurate Christianity" is an oxymoron. Nothing in the Old/New Testament is verifiable and much of it is even completely false. For example, there was never a mass exodus of Jews from Egypt. A flood never occurred as evidenced by natural topography/geography and flora that is older than the bible claims the earth is. No man named Jesus is ever even mentioned once in 1st century Palestinian history/government/poetry/art/etc., which is an extremely well-documented epoch of time. The idea that Christianity is somehow superior is Islam is absurd. Faith and belief stem from the evolution of false-positive errors that kept us alive on the plains; we ran from noises even though nothing was there. This lead us to have an innate desire to look for meaning where there is none. There is no god. No one is coming to save you.

    Belief "amounts to a willful disregard of the evidence and a flight form self knowledge."

    Study real science. Much more happiness will come to you I assure you.



    I may be wrong, but I believe Jesus is mentioned in Jesephus's Antiquities of the Jews, written ca. 93-94 AD.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus

    Not defending anything, just clarifying
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    Nov 18, 2014 5:35 PM GMT
    canadian_stud saidThis was a horrible tragedy. I believe his parents when they say his conversion started before he went to Syria. He obviously went to Afghanistan to find a war that was not fought for honor but rather vengeance and control.
    He wanted to atone. Every action he took showed he wanted to do good for all the evil he has seen.

    I feel horrible that such a good life was taken from this world. It makes no sense for ISIS to kill a believer unless they wanted him to become one of their zombies. The more I read about ISIS the more it seems they are an independent organization that contradicts everything about the faith they claim to follow.

    I think most likely they thought he was a spy. A lot of CIA agents go into the countries like Syria, Iraq and Pakistan under groups like US aid workers, missionaries, UN volunteers, and other affiliated development organizations to have reach into restricted areas. Otherwise why kill a convert? Makes n sense at all. I keep hoping he secretly survived as his beheading was not shown on tape.


    Yea, on newsy--wait
    I've never checked to c if they have a website, I just watch them on Roku3.
    They do newsy.com but I don't see the video I saw this morning. His hometown was remembering him. They had the same sentiment as yours. One person said evil is not a strong enough word to describe the manner in which he was killed.
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    Nov 18, 2014 5:44 PM GMT
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    coloradojock16 said

    No man named Jesus is ever even mentioned once in 1st century Palestinian history/government/poetry/art/etc., which is an extremely well-documented epoch of time.


    I may be wrong, but I believe Jesus is mentioned in Jesephus's Antiquities of the Jews, written ca. 93-94 AD.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus

    Not defending anything, just clarifying


    Yes, I address this in the second edition of my book.

    Without getting too much into it:

    1) Josephus, the 1st century historian, definitely put Jesus in his history books, Antiquities of the Jews.
    2) Just as we have oral tradition later written down in the gospels, the same can be said of the oral traditions of the tannaim. Their oral tradition was later put in written form in the Babylonian Talmud which definitely gives details about Jesus.

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    Nov 18, 2014 6:38 PM GMT
    StephenOABC said"Those who embrace Islam tend to do so after years of contact with Muslims."

    - The Economist in an article "The Economist Explains How Many People Convert to Islam?" September 29, 2013

    http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2013/09/economist-explains-17


    And that's exactly why "freedom of religion" should be stricken from public law in this country; and why all Islamic faith based worship should be illegal and considered just as dangerous as fully-converted terrorist.
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    Nov 18, 2014 10:35 PM GMT
    At reblop.com, the 16-minute video, yes, THAT 16-minute video, shows how the bombings disfigured and killed people on the ground. It appears they are trying to provide context for the beheadings at the end of the video.

    The context they're providing is only one level back, it doesn't show why the U.S. did the bombings.

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    Nov 19, 2014 1:24 AM GMT
    starboard5 said
    I may be wrong, but I believe Jesus is mentioned in Jesephus's Antiquities of the Jews, written ca. 93-94 AD.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus

    Not defending anything, just clarifying


    Josephus' Testimonium Flavianum has been discredited as only partially authentic. Based on writing styles and the use of some vocabulary, the portions which talk about Jesus were most likely added significantly later by a Christian copyist. Its also evident that Josephus, a Jew, would not have called Jesus "the Messiah" as it would be a direct contradiction to his faith. He was also born in 37AD and Jesus died in 33AD, meaning he had no 1st hand experience with the supposed Jesus.

    Additionally, you might note that Josephus was writing more than fifty years after the supposed events. Which means, of course, that there is still no contemporary documentary evidence that Jesus existed. Its very important to note this, as the acts that are claimed in the bible would SURELY merit a inscription in the history books by the Romans and Palestinians - yet there are none.
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    Nov 20, 2014 5:14 AM GMT
    coloradojock16 said
    starboard5 said
    I may be wrong, but I believe Jesus is mentioned in Jesephus's Antiquities of the Jews, written ca. 93-94 AD.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus

    Not defending anything, just clarifying


    Josephus' Testimonium Flavianum has been discredited as only partially authentic. Based on writing styles and the use of some vocabulary, the portions which talk about Jesus were most likely added significantly later by a Christian copyist. Its also evident that Josephus, a Jew, would not have called Jesus "the Messiah" as it would be a direct contradiction to his faith. He was also born in 37AD and Jesus died in 33AD, meaning he had no 1st hand experience with the supposed Jesus.

    Additionally, you might note that Josephus was writing more than fifty years after the supposed events. Which means, of course, that there is still no contemporary documentary evidence that Jesus existed. Its very important to note this, as the acts that are claimed in the bible would SURELY merit a inscription in the history books by the Romans and Palestinians - yet there are none.



    Yes, the TF surely reads like a copiest's interpretation. But there are two other passages that indirectly refer to Jesus, significantly, the one mentioning the stoning of James, brother of Jesus who was called the Christ. But Yeshua ( Jesus) was a common name and there were numerous wandering prophets at the time, I've no doubt. And crucifixion was a common form of execution for insurrection. The truth is, Christianity as we think of it hasn't much to do with any Jesus who may have preached; it's more the product of Paul.

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    Nov 20, 2014 2:43 PM GMT
    funbud8 said
    coloradojock16 said" The idea that Christianity is somehow superior is Islam is absurd.


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    My Reply with something from another thread

    bobbobbob saidHi MikemikeMike... we must be related some way.

    I don't mean to sound callous but beheading people is their 1300 year old version of baseball. The only times we outside in the civilized world hear about it is when they make a video of them doing it to one of us. ISIL has been doing it everyday to other Muslims and not just one a day either.

    They cut noses off wives who talk back to husbands.

    The "stone" gay muslim men by pushing walls on them with tanks.

    They kill their own daughters who don't want to marry some rich guy with 3 wives already.

    The put women in prison for being raped.

    If muslim men gang rape a non muslim male it's not a crime.

    And you can go to court and plead, "a genie made me do it" and not get laughed at.

    Islam: the religion of peace.

    Google the things I listed for photo or news reports... No one can make up mess as crazy as what they do and think it OK with Allah.


    Modern Christianity is not better than Modern Islam?