The Senate Just Voted Not to Approve the Keystone XL Pipeline

  • metta

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    Nov 18, 2014 11:37 PM GMT
    The Senate Just Voted Not to Approve the Keystone XL Pipeline


    http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2014/11/whats-happening-keystone-xl-week-explained
  • HottJoe

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    Nov 19, 2014 12:05 AM GMT
    Good.
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    Nov 19, 2014 12:05 AM GMT
    Don't worry too much. We'll get it passed after the first of the year. Just for Joe.
  • tj85016

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    Nov 19, 2014 1:45 AM GMT
    awesome, screw Canada and it's slugde oil
  • roadbikeRob

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    Nov 19, 2014 2:18 AM GMT
    freedomisntfree saidDon't worry too much. We'll get it passed after the first of the year. Just for Joe.
    Heres hoping just to make MINNEAPOLISMOTORMOUTH start yapping about environmental damage and all that other leftist hyperbole. He will be squawking away like a hen in heat I mean an EXTREMIST LIBERAL HEN in heaticon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gif
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    Nov 19, 2014 2:29 AM GMT
    Thousands of jobs pissed away.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Nov 19, 2014 2:35 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    HottJoe saidGood.


    ... writes Joe from his home that is heated by fossil fuels, on his computer that is made from plastics manufactured from oil and that is powered by electricity generated by burning fossil fuels.
    The definition of hypocrisy at its very best.
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    Nov 19, 2014 3:00 AM GMT
    Until we're able to live like The Jetsons, we have to live with the reality of using fossil fuels and coal for energy.
  • HottJoe

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    Nov 19, 2014 3:27 AM GMT
    Apparently it's all about political posturing at this point. Canada is selling what is evidently the shittiest, most polluting oil on the planet to China, the US is moving to natural gas and oil prices are falling.

    All terrible news for the environment by the sounds of it.icon_sad.gificon_sad.gificon_sad.gif

    The keystone pipeline is a pipedream. That project is going nowhere.

    Fortunately, green energy is burgeoning and the country's investments in it will mean that we will have a lot more renewable energy in the near future. That's what I voted for. Nothing hypocritical about doing my part to put the country on a better path.
  • tj85016

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    Nov 19, 2014 6:53 AM GMT
    libertpaulian saidThousands of jobs pissed away.


    wrong moron, a couple thousands jobs for 5 months lol

    maybe 50 to run the thing

    even the Canadians don't want this toxic old sludge piped through their land

    let the Canadians pump it to Vancouver or the Gulf of St Lawrence
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    Nov 19, 2014 6:56 AM GMT
    tj85016 said
    libertpaulian saidThousands of jobs pissed away.


    wrong moron, a couple thousands jobs for 5 months lol

    maybe 50 to run the thing

    Public works projects during the Depression were "temporary" as well.
  • tj85016

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    Nov 19, 2014 7:02 AM GMT
    let TransCanada pump their toxic sludge trans Canada - like to Halifax
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    Nov 19, 2014 2:05 PM GMT
    Explain to me why we need to refine THEIR oil so it can be sold on the open market. Build a refinery on the BC coast or the Maritime provinces.
  • peterstrong

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    Nov 19, 2014 3:21 PM GMT

    so in the midwest, we r now in a yet another artic blast - last winter was the coldest and snowiest on record / now since we are living with climate change - good for natural gas companies, bad for most everyone else, except netflix and pizza delivery : )
    Can any of the sludge oil defenders remember all the way back to superstorm Sandy and how much it cost us ? If Bush and Cheney love fossil fuel so much, why did Bush build the Crawford ranch to run on geothermal icon_idea.gificon_question.gif and Cheney waste so much of our future borrowed taxpayer $ and some american lives in the former dessert nation of Iraq ? Soon to be similar to the three tribal regions it was before WWI.

    Geothermal and all other renewable forms create jobs and will slow down global climate change as well, and geez maybe with the $ people save on not having to rebuild after super storms, drought, and heating bills in extreme cold, just maybe americans will be able to spend their $ in other parts of the economy icon_idea.gif

    and btw libertarians in name only, who want oil and nuke energy subsidies, but don't want to grant them for renewable forms of energy, are not actual libertarians.
    The Iraq war was intended as a subsidy to secure oil for the USA, it obviously was a very expensive failure.








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    Nov 19, 2014 4:32 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidApparently it's all about political posturing at this point. Canada is selling what is evidently the shittiest, most polluting oil on the planet to China, the US is moving to natural gas and oil prices are falling.

    All terrible news for the environment by the sounds of it.icon_sad.gificon_sad.gificon_sad.gif

    The keystone pipeline is a pipedream. That project is going nowhere.

    Fortunately, green energy is burgeoning and the country's investments in it will mean that we will have a lot more renewable energy in the near future. That's what I voted for. Nothing hypocritical about doing my part to put the country on a better path.


    It missed passage by one vote, and the new congress has yet to be sworn in. Passage next year is a certainty. With the new congress, there should be enough votes to override a veto.

    After that it'll be an obstruction game with the administration blocking the start of construction with every bureaucratic rule they can invoke.
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    Nov 19, 2014 5:07 PM GMT
    Congrats Liberals; Obama and Reid just threw pro gay Landrieu under the bus on the Keystone Pipeline vote. That's likely one less dem senator next month.

    Homophobe and Obama advisor Warren Buffett must be very happy since his railroad is the alternative for unsafely transporting some of the oil. HRC rates Buffett a ZERO for gay rights.

    Homophobe Buffett try to gruber people by saying he supports gays but doesn't set policy at any of his companies.
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    Nov 19, 2014 7:01 PM GMT
    mx5guynj saidCongrats Liberals; Obama and Reid just threw pro gay Landrieu under the bus on the Keystone Pipeline vote. That's likely one less dem senator next month.

    Homophobe and Obama advisor Warren Buffett must be very happy since his railroad is the alternative for unsafely transporting some of the oil. HRC rates Buffett a ZERO for gay rights.

    Homophobe Buffett try to gruber people by saying he supports gays but doesn't set policy at any of his companies.


    Oh see, good riddance. Another Republican in Democrat's clothing down. Will not miss her.
  • HottJoe

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    Nov 19, 2014 7:29 PM GMT
    rkyjockdn said
    HottJoe saidApparently it's all about political posturing at this point. Canada is selling what is evidently the shittiest, most polluting oil on the planet to China, the US is moving to natural gas and oil prices are falling.

    All terrible news for the environment by the sounds of it.icon_sad.gificon_sad.gificon_sad.gif

    The keystone pipeline is a pipedream. That project is going nowhere.

    Fortunately, green energy is burgeoning and the country's investments in it will mean that we will have a lot more renewable energy in the near future. That's what I voted for. Nothing hypocritical about doing my part to put the country on a better path.


    It missed passage by one vote, and the new congress has yet to be sworn in. Passage next year is a certainty. With the new congress, there should be enough votes to override a veto.

    After that it'll be an obstruction game with the administration blocking the start of construction with every bureaucratic rule they can invoke.

    Whatever it takes to save the planet from idiots!icon_wink.gif
  • FRE0

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    Nov 19, 2014 7:32 PM GMT
    I'm not sure that the best position on that pipeline is. If rail transportation would be used instead and is more dangerous for the environment, then we'd be better off with the pipeline. However, I don't know whether that is the case.
  • HottJoe

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    Nov 19, 2014 7:42 PM GMT
    FRE0 saidI'm not sure that the best position on that pipeline is. If rail transportation would be used instead and is more dangerous for the environment, then we'd be better off with the pipeline. However, I don't know whether that is the case.

    Environmentalists don't want anything to with that oil either way. Currently it's being shipped on trains and freighters to China, which is actually even worse for the environment. Really, the problem is Canada. They care more about selling it than the consequences of extracting and burning it.

    According to the NYT burning that oil would in of itself cause the CO2 in the atmosphere to cross the threshold the IPPC said we need to limit to avoid the worst consequences of climate change in this century.

    People who support extracting these fossil fuels simply deny that they are poisoning the air we breathe, which means they're not just idiots. They're dangerous idiots.
  • FRE0

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    Nov 19, 2014 8:51 PM GMT
    For most large prosperous countries, probably the only way to come close to eliminating the use of fossil fuels, including petroleum, is to use nuclear power. However, it is essential to do the necessary research to develop a better nuclear technology, one in which a melt down cannot occur and which uses the nuclear fuel more efficiently to reduce nuclear waste.
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    Nov 19, 2014 9:34 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    FRE0 saidI'm not sure that the best position on that pipeline is. If rail transportation would be used instead and is more dangerous for the environment, then we'd be better off with the pipeline. However, I don't know whether that is the case.

    Environmentalists don't want anything to with that oil either way. Currently it's being shipped on trains and freighters to China, which is actually even worse for the environment. Really, the problem is Canada. They care more about selling it than the consequences of extracting and burning it.

    According to the NYT burning that oil would in of itself cause the CO2 in the atmosphere to cross the threshold the IPPC said we need to limit to avoid the worst consequences of climate change in this century.

    People who support extracting these fossil fuels simply deny that they are poisoning the air we breathe, which means they're not just idiots. They're dangerous idiots.


    "IPPC"

    https://www.ippc.int/

    Need more plant food .... CO2
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    Nov 19, 2014 9:47 PM GMT
    I say we build it! I mean it will give us 8000 jobs for about 9 months, that should be just awesome. Except lets do this...let's build a great big refinery in La Jolla so that all the OC repukes can masturbate to it as they drive up I-5.
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    Nov 19, 2014 10:12 PM GMT
    Masturbation while driving is no safer than texting. Thought you would know that by now.
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    Nov 19, 2014 10:15 PM GMT
    Most Americans support building the pipeline. So let's build it already. It creates jobs and that's what this country needs.