Obesity rates worse than thought, due to self-reported data.

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    Nov 20, 2014 8:37 PM GMT
    http://news.yahoo.com/us-states-lot-fatter-thought-143329430.html

    It turns out that the problem is not so much that people are lying about their weight. They are lying about their height, which throws off the calculations.

    It's just a good thing that penis size isn't included in the figures. icon_rolleyes.gif
  • HottJoe

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    Nov 20, 2014 9:53 PM GMT
    Also all the ab shaming makes me people want to be obese.icon_sad.gif
  • muscleboundfe...

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    Nov 20, 2014 10:10 PM GMT
    mindgarden saidhttp://news.yahoo.com/us-states-lot-fatter-thought-143329430.html

    It turns out that the problem is not so much that people are lying about their weight. They are lying about their height, which throws off the calculations.

    It's just a good thing that penis size isn't included in the figures. icon_rolleyes.gif


    Most people just guess there height. I was 5'11.5 at 24 so I know I'm not 6'0. However many people shorter than me claim I am based on how tall they think they are. Some guys around 6'1-6'2 think they are six even and tell me I can't be 5'11.5 Also many people are measured in shoes.
  • HottJoe

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    Nov 20, 2014 10:16 PM GMT
    muscleboundfem said
    mindgarden saidhttp://news.yahoo.com/us-states-lot-fatter-thought-143329430.html

    It turns out that the problem is not so much that people are lying about their weight. They are lying about their height, which throws off the calculations.

    It's just a good thing that penis size isn't included in the figures. icon_rolleyes.gif


    Most people just guess there height. I was 5'11.5 at 24 so I know I'm not 6'0. However many people shorter than me claim I am based on how tall they think they are. Some guys around 6'1-6'2 think they are six even and tell me I can't be 5'11.5 Also many people are measured in shoes.

    They leave their shoes on to measure their height, but you better believe they take them off to measure their weight!
  • muscleboundfe...

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    Nov 20, 2014 10:34 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    muscleboundfem said
    mindgarden saidhttp://news.yahoo.com/us-states-lot-fatter-thought-143329430.html

    It turns out that the problem is not so much that people are lying about their weight. They are lying about their height, which throws off the calculations.

    It's just a good thing that penis size isn't included in the figures. icon_rolleyes.gif


    Most people just guess there height. I was 5'11.5 at 24 so I know I'm not 6'0. However many people shorter than me claim I am based on how tall they think they are. Some guys around 6'1-6'2 think they are six even and tell me I can't be 5'11.5 Also many people are measured in shoes.

    They leave their shoes on to measure their height, but you better believe they take them off to measure their weight!


    lol I'm not that cynical to believe that.
  • FRE0

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    Nov 21, 2014 10:29 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    muscleboundfem said
    mindgarden saidhttp://news.yahoo.com/us-states-lot-fatter-thought-143329430.html

    It turns out that the problem is not so much that people are lying about their weight. They are lying about their height, which throws off the calculations.

    It's just a good thing that penis size isn't included in the figures. icon_rolleyes.gif


    Most people just guess there height. I was 5'11.5 at 24 so I know I'm not 6'0. However many people shorter than me claim I am based on how tall they think they are. Some guys around 6'1-6'2 think they are six even and tell me I can't be 5'11.5 Also many people are measured in shoes.

    They leave their shoes on to measure their height, but you better believe they take them off to measure their weight!


    I've measured my height and weight while nude. With an accurate sliding weight type of scale, that can easily be done with great accuracy.
  • muscleboundfe...

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    Nov 22, 2014 1:12 AM GMT
    FRE0 said
    HottJoe said
    muscleboundfem said
    mindgarden saidhttp://news.yahoo.com/us-states-lot-fatter-thought-143329430.html

    It turns out that the problem is not so much that people are lying about their weight. They are lying about their height, which throws off the calculations.

    It's just a good thing that penis size isn't included in the figures. icon_rolleyes.gif


    Most people just guess there height. I was 5'11.5 at 24 so I know I'm not 6'0. However many people shorter than me claim I am based on how tall they think they are. Some guys around 6'1-6'2 think they are six even and tell me I can't be 5'11.5 Also many people are measured in shoes.

    They leave their shoes on to measure their height, but you better believe they take them off to measure their weight!


    I don't think adults measure their own height. its normally done at a doctors office and they generally have you leave your shoes on

    I've measured my height and weight while nude. With an accurate sliding weight type of scale, that can easily be done with great accuracy.
  • FRE0

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    Nov 22, 2014 8:56 AM GMT
    muscleboundfem said
    FRE0 said
    HottJoe said
    muscleboundfem said
    mindgarden saidhttp://news.yahoo.com/us-states-lot-fatter-thought-143329430.html

    It turns out that the problem is not so much that people are lying about their weight. They are lying about their height, which throws off the calculations.

    It's just a good thing that penis size isn't included in the figures. icon_rolleyes.gif


    Most people just guess there height. I was 5'11.5 at 24 so I know I'm not 6'0. However many people shorter than me claim I am based on how tall they think they are. Some guys around 6'1-6'2 think they are six even and tell me I can't be 5'11.5 Also many people are measured in shoes.

    They leave their shoes on to measure their height, but you better believe they take them off to measure their weight!


    I don't think adults measure their own height. its normally done at a doctors office and they generally have you leave your shoes on

    I've measured my height and weight while nude. With an accurate sliding weight type of scale, that can easily be done with great accuracy.


    In general, I'm sure that that's true. It's just that I happen to have a scale very similar to the ones in doctors' offices and it is equipped to measure height.

    Parents often measure the height of their children and track it on a wall. I wonder whether the kids have their shoes on.
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    Nov 22, 2014 11:57 AM GMT
    HottJoe saidAlso all the ab shaming makes me people want to be obese.icon_sad.gif
    +1
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    Nov 22, 2014 4:19 PM GMT
    I don't need to read reports about the obesity rates because I see it every time I go to work. I'm in healthcare and I lost count on how many obese patients I've taken care of. But one guy I remember was almost 400 lbs (180 kilos) and died from a massive stroke……


    …..he was 39 years old.
  • starboard5

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    Nov 22, 2014 5:12 PM GMT
    Erik101 saidI don't need to read reports about the obesity rates because I see it every time I go to work. I'm in healthcare and I lost count on how many obese patients I've taken care of. But one guy I remember was almost 400 lbs (180 kilos) and died from a massive stroke……


    …..he was 39 years old.


    I'm with you, Erik. Also in healthcare (surgical RN) and there isn't a week that goes by that I dont have patients in surgery because of the direct (plethora of consequences of Type II diabetes) or indirect (e.g. total knee replacements) results of obesity. The misery and financial burden (for all of us) are enormous.

    I once had a morbidly obese diabetic patient in the OR to have her wound VAC exchanged. She had a huge, necrotic, non- healing ulcer in her abdomen. After induction, the resident said she had been sitting in her bed the day before hollering for a Pepsi. She died a few weeks later. Her's is not a particularly rare case.
  • tj85016

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    Nov 22, 2014 5:18 PM GMT
    yep, fat people are extremely profitable for all sorts of businesses
  • FRE0

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    Nov 22, 2014 7:50 PM GMT
    Once when I was in the waiting room of a clinic, I noticed that several very obese people were eating chips and drinking from oversized beverage containers from fast food restaurants. People blame it on genetics, but 40 years ago, one didn't see so many obese people and I doubt that genetics has changed during the last 40 years.
  • davfit

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    Nov 22, 2014 9:36 PM GMT
    People who eat junk and are heavy.. don't care period .about their Height or weight.. the truth hurts.. so they dont bother.
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    Nov 22, 2014 10:19 PM GMT
    Obese and liars!

    They are the scum of the earth!

    They should be shunned and ridiculed!

    They should be made to pay twice the price for clothing sizes over XL.

    They should be made to pay double at all you can eat buffets.

    Double for airline flights and other public transportation.

    Double cover charges at entertainment venues because they are taking up twice the room normal sized people are.

    Fast food restaurants, candy makers, soda makers and other purveyors of junk food and health problems and death should be hit with double corporate taxes to offset the cost to the healthcare system.

    If we made it so expensive to be fat we'd see obesity rates drop.
  • HorrorHound

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    Nov 23, 2014 12:17 AM GMT
    Some of you ARE AWARE that medications (such as those that treat schizophrenia & bi-polar disorder, etc...) DO cause obesity/weightgain for the patient taking them WITHOUT the usage of any "Big-Gulp" soft drink or fast-food cheeseburger. Though exercise is best while taking these type of meds, it really doesn't take off the weight, moreso just helps the cardiovascular system keep in check. Trust me, I've had my history being on 'em in the past. I no longer take the meds though for these reasons. I fought hard & lost alot of the weight those meds put me on in the past, & I'll just deal with my symptoms I suffer from in my head. Though gladly the Klonopin I'm prescribed helps.

    JUST SUCKS HOWEVER 'cuz it's a "Catch-22" for people with mental illness. Alot of these meds cause Obesity, that not even going to the gym can defeat. Yet, if you don't take the meds in favor of being "fat shamed" you gotta' deal with the consequences of the illness in your head & how it affects the people around you.

    To some of you who think it's always food/laziness/big gulp soda's, etc.....ya need to look at the bigger picture or do more research. Medications play a huge part for some individuals.
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    Nov 23, 2014 12:22 AM GMT
    HorrorHound saidSome of you ARE AWARE that medications (such as those that treat schizophrenia & bi-polar disorder, etc...) DO cause obesity/weightgain for the patient taking them WITHOUT the usage of any "Big-Gulp" soft drink or fast-food cheeseburger. Though exercise is best while taking these type of meds, it really doesn't take off the weight, moreso just helps the cardiovascular system keep in check. Trust me, I've had my history being on 'em in the past. I no longer take the meds though for these reasons. I fought hard & lost alot of the weight those meds put me on in the past, & I'll just deal with my symptoms I suffer from in my head. Though gladly the Klonopin I'm prescribed helps.

    JUST SUCKS HOWEVER 'cuz it's a "Catch-22" for people with mental illness. Alot of these meds cause Obesity, that not even going to the gym can defeat. Yet, if you don't take the meds in favor of being "fat shamed" you gotta' deal with the consequences of the illness in your head & how it affects the people around you.

    To some of you who think it's always food/laziness/big gulp soda's, etc.....ya need to look at the bigger picture or do more research. Medications play a huge part for some individuals.


    You maybe right but that dosent change the fact that many Americans simply dont do anything to stay healthy and in shape ! Everyone who is obese is not on pills. The vast majority of obese people are that way because of lack of exercise and healthy diet
  • HorrorHound

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    Nov 23, 2014 12:34 AM GMT
    Bonaparts said
    ryyyder said
    HorrorHound saidSome of you ARE AWARE that medications (such as those that treat schizophrenia & bi-polar disorder, etc...) DO cause obesity/weightgain for the patient taking them WITHOUT the usage of any "Big-Gulp" soft drink or fast-food cheeseburger. Though exercise is best while taking these type of meds, it really doesn't take off the weight, moreso just helps the cardiovascular system keep in check. Trust me, I've had my history being on 'em in the past. I no longer take the meds though for these reasons. I fought hard & lost alot of the weight those meds put me on in the past, & I'll just deal with my symptoms I suffer from in my head. Though gladly the Klonopin I'm prescribed helps.

    JUST SUCKS HOWEVER 'cuz it's a "Catch-22" for people with mental illness. Alot of these meds cause Obesity, that not even going to the gym can defeat. Yet, if you don't take the meds in favor of being "fat shamed" you gotta' deal with the consequences of the illness in your head & how it affects the people around you.

    To some of you who think it's always food/laziness/big gulp soda's, etc.....ya need to look at the bigger picture or do more research. Medications play a huge part for some individuals.


    You maybe right but that dosent change the fact that many Americans simply dont do anything to stay healthy and in shape ! Everyone who is obese is not on pills. The vast majority of obese people are that way because of lack of exercise and healthy diet


    I agree completely, it is pathetic that some people bring medical conditions like genetic disorders to justify obesity in the population, genetic disorders are extremely rare, those that are responsible for obesity, and medication is not an excuse at all, medication can slow down the metabolism slightly, but for 99,99 % of the population obesity is due to poor diet and lack of exercise



    Ya'll can call me "pathetic" all you want, all I was trying to input is that medications that treat mental illness such as Bi-Polar Disorder or Schizophrenia are PROVEN to cause a great deal of weight-gain &/or obesity to the person who begins taking 'em, especially over a period of time. However, I am NOT making excuses for the mass general public of obese folks. Just throwing another perspective in.
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    Erik101 saidI don't need to read reports about the obesity rates because I see it every time I go to work. I'm in healthcare and I lost count on how many obese patients I've taken care of. But one guy I remember was almost 400 lbs (180 kilos) and died from a massive stroke……


    …..he was 39 years old.


    I'm with you, Erik. Also in healthcare (surgical RN) and there isn't a week that goes by that I dont have patients in surgery because of the direct (plethora of consequences of Type II diabetes) or indirect (e.g. total knee replacements) results of obesity. The misery and financial burden (for all of us) are enormous.

    I once had a morbidly obese diabetic patient in the OR to have her wound VAC exchanged. She had a huge, necrotic, non- healing ulcer in her abdomen. After induction, the resident said she had been sitting in her bed the day before hollering for a Pepsi. She died a few weeks later. Her's is not a particularly rare case.


    I'm not surprised on the attitude of that morbidly obese patient about screaming for a soda. So many of these people just don't care anymore on what happens to them and they learn to deal with the pain. So they do what they want and disregard the right choices. It's really sad!
  • FRE0

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    Nov 23, 2014 2:45 AM GMT
    Considering that insufficient exercise contributes to obesity, could it be that power steering is a factor in obesity? Before power steering was common, there was far less obesity.
  • btm7969

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    Nov 23, 2014 3:41 AM GMT
    i suffer from a illness of bi-polar as well that has caused me to gain weight that's not so easy to loose so I can relate a lot with what kevin is talking about
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    Nov 23, 2014 8:29 PM GMT
    Any BMI weight chart has to be taken with a grain of salt. According to the chart below I should be 132-167 lbs.

    I am overweight at 172? NO! I took a health class at a Jr. College several years ago. Same weight. I thought it was ridiculous. At 132 lbs. I am scary SKINNY (I was when I was 18! I actually argued with the teacher and we did a caliper test and I had low body fat at 13%.
    If I was 208 lbs. I'd be obese. And I know several body builders around that weight or more.

    I'm not saying obesity doesn't exist. My brother died morbidly obese. But when you consider how many people work out, especially Gay men, the statistics are skewed.


    Government Standards Say Bodybuilders are Obese!

    http://www.musculardevelopment.com/articles/fat-loss/600-fat-attack-nov-2002.html#.VHI9EWfgVOgURL]

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  • buddycat

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    Nov 23, 2014 8:37 PM GMT
    I have also seen studies where people exaggerate their waist size by 2 inches. Most people equate waist size with pant size even though they wear their pants at their hips not their waist.
  • FRE0

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    Nov 23, 2014 8:53 PM GMT
    buddycat saidI have also seen studies where people exaggerate their waist size by 2 inches. Most people equate waist size with pant size even though they wear their pants at their hips not their waist.


    I can see how that could happen. I could not wear pants the size of which is the same as my waist. The pant size has to be an inch or two greater.
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    Nov 23, 2014 8:57 PM GMT
    Obesity Myths

    http://www.obesitymyths.com/myth1.2.htm

    Obesity: Epidemic or Myth?

    http://www.csicop.org/si/show/obesity_epidemic_or_myth/

    So if we get truly fat people to work out, their BMI doesn't change, yet their body fat decreases, muscle weight increases. All for naught.

    I can see where people can be really frustrated with the results.

    "According to their results, the number of people getting the recommended amount of exercise increased significantly between 2001 and 2009, and the increase was greater for females than for males. In the most active U.S. counties, the number of people exercising sufficiently rose by up to 17 percent for males and 18 percent for females. At the same time, obesity rates continued to rise throughout the country, and only nine U.S. counties saw (small) decreases in obesity. Time to cancel our gym memberships and toss out those skinny jeans — right?

    ......

    What this study may point to is the crucial role of diet and nutrition in any wellness routine. In fact, new research suggests that people who think exercise is the most important factor in weight loss have higher BMIs than people who think diet is more significant .

    Another potential reason for the IHME findings is the fact that the people exercising more might not have been the same people getting heavier. The study didn’t look at obesity or physical activity in individuals, but instead gathered averages from different U.S. counties."

    http://greatist.com/health/exercise-weight-loss-071213