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    Nov 23, 2014 1:44 AM GMT
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    IMO, Democrat =/= liberal. But most Democrats are closer to being liberal than Republicans.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Nov 23, 2014 2:37 AM GMT

    Are you trying to make the EXTREMIST LIBERAL HENS on here feel better about themselves. It is not being liberal that I have a problem with it is the extreme leftist loony tune viewpoints on here that are obviously over the top.
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    Nov 23, 2014 6:29 AM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    Are you trying to make the EXTREMIST LIBERAL HENS on here feel better about themselves. It is not being liberal that I have a problem with it is the extreme leftist loony tune viewpoints on here that are obviously over the top.

    Give it a rest, Rob
    You're not convincing anyone who calls himself a liberal by insulting them
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    Nov 23, 2014 4:16 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    It is not being liberal that I have a problem with it is the extreme leftist loony tune viewpoints on here that are obviously over the top.

    Please list them.
  • jaroslav123

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    Nov 23, 2014 7:00 PM GMT
    Just to be specific. The last definition (concerning free speech) belongs to the movement of "Classical Liberalism". Which later developed into Neo-Liberalism: a belief concerning the freedom of the markets.
  • tazzari

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    Nov 23, 2014 7:03 PM GMT
    Sharkspeare said
    roadbikeRob said
    Are you trying to make the EXTREMIST LIBERAL HENS on here feel better about themselves. It is not being liberal that I have a problem with it is the extreme leftist loony tune viewpoints on here that are obviously over the top.

    Give it a rest, Rob
    You're not convincing anyone who calls himself a liberal by insulting them


    This!
  • tazzari

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    Nov 23, 2014 7:06 PM GMT
    Even dyed-in-the-wool conservatives would prefer a liberal helping of ice cream, or a liberal-handed rich uncle, or a liberal interpretation of their own mistakes. But somehow it's a bad word?
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    Nov 23, 2014 7:15 PM GMT
    GOP = Gobs Of Poop
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    Nov 23, 2014 7:19 PM GMT
    If this is the definition of liberal I'd be happy to call myself a liberal.

    But then Merriam Webster defines conservative as:

    Full Definition
    1 :preservative
    2 a icon_surprised.giff or relating to a philosophy of conservatism
    b capitalized icon_surprised.giff or constituting a political party professing the principles of conservatism: as (1) icon_surprised.giff or constituting a party of the United Kingdom advocating support of established institutions (2) :progressive conservative
    3 a :tending or disposed to maintain existing views, conditions, or institutions :traditional
    b :marked by moderation or caution
    c :marked by or relating to traditional norms of taste, elegance, style, or manners


    But then I distrust peoen who advocate change for the sake of change. I also like old fashioned drinks and style. If I had to pick a decade to live in it'd be the 1920s.

    So what does that make me? A generous conservative? An old fashioned liberal?
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    Nov 23, 2014 7:32 PM GMT
    Wyndahoi said

    But then I distrust people who advocate change for the sake of change. I also like old fashioned drinks and style. If I had to pick a decade to live in it'd be the 1920s.


    Really? I lived through the '70s and even that was boring as hell. I'm a history buff and pretty traditional in outlook, but, in terms of personal freedoms, technology and standards of living, I don't think there has been a better time to be alive than now.
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    Nov 23, 2014 7:36 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 said
    Wyndahoi said

    But then I distrust people who advocate change for the sake of change. I also like old fashioned drinks and style. If I had to pick a decade to live in it'd be the 1920s.


    Really? I lived through the '70s and even that was boring as hell. I'm a history buff and pretty traditional in outlook, but, in terms of personal freedoms, technology and standards of living, I don't think there has been a better time to be alive than now.

    Really? There are things about the 70s that I miss a lot
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    Nov 23, 2014 7:52 PM GMT
    Wyndahoi said
    c :marked by or relating to traditional norms of taste, elegance, style, or manners

    So what does that make me? A generous conservative? An old fashioned liberal?

    I'm selective, and will often choose older, even obsolete things over the newer. For example, I prefer to write on paper with a fountain pen, as I was taught in school. But you'll note how much I compose on a Mac computer and an iPad.

    Behind that Mac is an analog wall clock, my preferred way to tell time. But my daily wristwatch is digital, fully solar with no batteries, and sets itself via radio signals from the atomic clock in Denver, so that I never have to do anything with it except read the time.

    I'm the same way with many political issues. I'm very liberal when it comes to social matters, like equality and civil rights. But I'm more conservative with national defense.

    Although a split decision there: I'm concerned about the welfare of our troops, while dubious about wasting billions on unneeded weapons systems that merely serve to enrich defense contractors. The exact reverse of conservatives who claim to have a strong defense policy, but actually neglect the troops & veterans, while making sure contractors (aka campaign contributors) never want for money.

    So that these definitions of liberal & conservative, while providing helpful guidelines, cannot address complex and sometimes conflicting real-world realities. Nevertheless, I am indeed more liberal overall than anything else, and yet not 100% liberal.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Nov 23, 2014 8:12 PM GMT
    theantijock saidGOP = Gobs Of Poop
    Will you stifle yourselficon_mad.gif You are such a bumbling, brain dead idioticon_mad.gif




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    Nov 23, 2014 8:24 PM GMT
    Sharkspeare said
    Ex_Mil8 said
    I lived through the '70s and even that was boring as hell. I'm a history buff and pretty traditional in outlook, but, in terms of personal freedoms, technology and standards of living, I don't think there has been a better time to be alive than now.

    Really? There are things about the 70s that I miss a lot

    You mean bell bottom jeans, big hair for men, jacket lapels that reached to the shoulders, neckties wide enough to serve as lobster bibs, shirt collars that put Dumbo's ears to shame, worn open almost to the belt. Paired with double-knit polyester trousers in the most garish colors & patterns, multiple gold necklaces & medallions for men, pimpmobiles, platform shoes, etc, etc?

    I thought they were all stupid then, and they look even more stupid now. So what would you revive from the 1970s for today?
  • roadbikeRob

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    Nov 23, 2014 8:50 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    Sharkspeare said
    Ex_Mil8 said
    I lived through the '70s and even that was boring as hell. I'm a history buff and pretty traditional in outlook, but, in terms of personal freedoms, technology and standards of living, I don't think there has been a better time to be alive than now.

    Really? There are things about the 70s that I miss a lot

    You mean bell bottom jeans, big hair for men, jacket lapels that reached to the shoulders, neckties wide enough to serve as lobster bibs, shirt collars that put Dumbo's ears to shame, worn open almost to the belt. Paired with double-knit polyester trousers in the most garish colors & patterns, multiple gold necklaces & medallions for men, pimpmobiles, platform shoes, etc, etc?

    I thought they were all stupid then, and they look even more stupid now. So what would you revive from the 1970s for today?
    Snug fitting Jordache designer jeans, didn't they originate in the late 70sicon_question.gif
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    Nov 23, 2014 9:04 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    Art_Deco said
    Sharkspeare said
    Ex_Mil8 said
    I lived through the '70s and even that was boring as hell. I'm a history buff and pretty traditional in outlook, but, in terms of personal freedoms, technology and standards of living, I don't think there has been a better time to be alive than now.

    Really? There are things about the 70s that I miss a lot

    You mean bell bottom jeans, big hair for men, jacket lapels that reached to the shoulders, neckties wide enough to serve as lobster bibs, shirt collars that put Dumbo's ears to shame, worn open almost to the belt. Paired with double-knit polyester trousers in the most garish colors & patterns, multiple gold necklaces & medallions for men, pimpmobiles, platform shoes, etc, etc?

    I thought they were all stupid then, and they look even more stupid now. So what would you revive from the 1970s for today?

    Snug fitting Jordache designer jeans, didn't they originate in the late 70sicon_question.gif

    Bell bottom jeans and trousers were snug at the thigh and in the crotch (it could be tough to get your hand in your front pockets), then flared out below the knee, sometimes quite dramatically. They came in during the 60s, many brands, died out by around '80.

    The jeans were also "low rise", the belt line low on your hips. In turn men had to wear low-rise briefs, and shirts with long tails. Boxers were unpopular then, especially with the low-rise jeans, since showing your underwear was not acceptable like today.

    In fact, to this day briefs and tightie-whities have less rise than the ones up until the 1960s. Those things could come up to about your navel. But as pants waistlines dropped lower, so did the underwear.
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    Nov 23, 2014 9:55 PM GMT
    Sharkspeare said
    Ex_Mil8 said
    Wyndahoi said

    But then I distrust people who advocate change for the sake of change. I also like old fashioned drinks and style. If I had to pick a decade to live in it'd be the 1920s.


    Really? I lived through the '70s and even that was boring as hell. I'm a history buff and pretty traditional in outlook, but, in terms of personal freedoms, technology and standards of living, I don't think there has been a better time to be alive than now.

    Really? There are things about the 70s that I miss a lot


    Other than Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd and a few others up to 1974 75 or so, not much, and certainly not disco. The car hobby was pretty much done after about 1972 until recent years so not much about the 70s. Certainly nothing like the 60s.
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    Nov 25, 2014 5:39 AM GMT
    Let's get liberal democrat and presidential advisor Al Sharpton's opinion about "Homos", "Faggots", "Chinamen" and the "N" word:

    http://youtu.be/4ltjowC37AM

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    Nov 25, 2014 5:48 AM GMT
    Liberal=Ferguson, Mo where liberals don't like hearing the truth.
  • HottJoe

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    Nov 25, 2014 11:01 PM GMT
    Yeah, I have a very liberal ideology and I usually support democrats (I'm an Obama democrat, specifically). Like Metta8, I don't think all democrats are necessarily liberals, or at least there are many that seem to pick and choose which issues they will be open minded and progressive about.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Nov 26, 2014 2:57 AM GMT
    mx5guynj saidLiberal=Ferguson, Mo where liberals don't like hearing the truth.
    Democrat=older northern cities the places democrats fucked up with their 50+ years of monopoly rule in city government.
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    Nov 26, 2014 2:59 AM GMT
    The thing with freedom of speech is that many people assume it also includes freedom of consequences.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Nov 29, 2014 7:48 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidYeah, I have a very liberal ideology and I usually support democrats (I'm an Obama democrat, specifically). Like Metta8, I don't think all democrats are necessarily liberals, or at least there are many that seem to pick and choose which issues they will be open minded and progressive about.
    Your ideology is too liberal 98% of the time. You definitely need to become more moderate in your viewpoints and look at the whole picture.