No charges will be brought against Officer Darren Wilson in the killing of Michael Brown. IS THIS FAIR?

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    Nov 25, 2014 3:27 AM GMT
    IMHO, this is an outrage.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Nov 25, 2014 3:32 AM GMT

    There is a possibility that most of the St Louis Metropolitan Area (city and suburbs) will be up in flames over this acquittal by the court. Who knows what will really happen next.
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    Nov 25, 2014 3:34 AM GMT
    rbr, that's a speculation.

    What's your own opinion of the fairness of no charges being brought against this officer?
  • musclmed

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    Nov 25, 2014 4:02 AM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    There is a possibility that most of the St Louis Metropolitan Area (city and suburbs) will be up in flames over this acquittal by the court. Who knows what will really happen next.


    Sad isnt that people would burn down their own neighborhood.

    Its unfortunate the guy died in the street. He was no Angel. And in a normal encounter most of the protestors would have walked over his body if he was a victim of any other type of crime.

    This is a hyped up Al Sharpton event.

    In addition "protestors" were picked up by the FBI ( new black panthers) with pipe bombs.

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    Nov 25, 2014 5:16 AM GMT
    I can't believe everyone is calling for riots and protest when, based on evidence, facts, and testimony, 12 citizens (not cops, not lawyers, not politicians) determined the officer did what he had to do to survive. No one seems to remember that Brown is the one who caused the incident to start. If he had been on the sidewalk or listened to a lawful command to get out of the road (which is dangerous to him and others), then Wilson would have likely not even stopped to talk to him. Brown made his choices and was killed because he attacked an officer. You do not have to like cops, but you do have to understand what they represent. How can you blame an officer, who was attacked by a strong arm robbery suspect, for protecting himself and the community. Again, Brown chose to run from the officer, leading the officer to think the community was in danger, then turned back towards him rather than complying and putting his hands up. Tragic, yes, avoidable, totally, the officers fault, not entirely.
  • crosswinds

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    Nov 25, 2014 6:16 AM GMT
    I don't really know.

    I think, personally, that there really was an excessive use of force by the cop. That said, there is no doubt in my mind that Michael Brown was not innocent.

    And going forward with this thinking - I really think the jury's decision is the right one. It's easy to sit around behind your computer screens and say "Oh, murder", or "Shame on the officer".

    Would it become OK if the fatal shots were fired from 2 feet instead of 4? Why you would struggle with a policeman inside his car, enough so that shots were fired - is beyond me.

    Truthfully, there is no doubt that Brown did not act as most of us would. The policeman felt threatened, and in a split second decision decided to take the shot(s).

    And it was just that - a split second decision that was spurred on by Brown's strange actions.

    Bad and tough situation for everyone involved. My condolences to the family and friends.
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    Nov 25, 2014 6:19 AM GMT


    Not much to say, burn your neighborhood, go ahead, burn it down, its not the first time icon_rolleyes.gif

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    Nov 25, 2014 7:45 AM GMT
    expect the worst of it Tuesday evening and night, expect the 'heavy artillery' to come out, big time
    (when the Cappy moon conjuncts Mars!)
  • jock_1

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    Nov 25, 2014 1:17 PM GMT
    Yes. it's fair. The cop was doing his job trying to positively identify a thug who just robbed a store. This thug decided to take on the cop, and now the thug is dead.
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    Nov 25, 2014 1:42 PM GMT
    jock_1 saidYes. it's fair. The cop was doing his job trying to positively identify a thug who just robbed a store. This thug decided to take on the cop, and now the thug is dead.

    thug = Right Wing euphemism for the "N" word
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    Nov 25, 2014 2:18 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    There is a possibility that most of the St Louis Metropolitan Area (city and suburbs) will be up in flames over this acquittal by the court. Who knows what will really happen next.


    First of all, it's not an "acquittal". It was a grand jury decision on whether or not to indict him on the charges in the first place.

    Second of all: from what I've heard, the evidence was presented to an impartial jury and they decided there wasn't enough proof he acted unjustly. Can we please move past this overblown example of hooliganism and instead complain about the dude shot in the NYC stairwell or the pre-teen who was shot for carrying a fake gun because the 911 operator forgot to pass on that particular information (the caller said it was probably fake) to the police on the scene?
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    Nov 25, 2014 2:26 PM GMT
    Why no indictment feels like a shock:

    "U.S. attorneys prosecuted 162,000 federal cases in 2010,"

    Grand juries declined to return an indictment in 11 of them."



    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/11/24/the-rarity-of-a-federal-grand-jury-not-indicting-visualized/
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    Nov 25, 2014 2:44 PM GMT
    "I'm sure Determinate is determined to.."

    READ THE OPINIONS OF INTELLIGENT FELLOW MEMBERS who can express themselves without silly insults.

    There is no single reasonable view of this case..in my opinion.

    I find xavierdc's view to be completely reasonable though quite different from my own.
  • crosswinds

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    Nov 25, 2014 2:46 PM GMT
    Determinate saidWhy no indictment feels like a shock:

    "U.S. attorneys prosecuted 162,000 federal cases in 2010,"

    Grand juries declined to return an indictment in 11 of them."



    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/11/24/the-rarity-of-a-federal-grand-jury-not-indicting-visualized/


    I don't get what this has to do with it. So if a person is innocent, it should shock us that he is not indicted just because its considered rare?
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    Nov 25, 2014 2:47 PM GMT
    A grand jury heard the evidence. Speculation and opinion add nothing to the discussion and only inflame passions. Opinions are just that. None of us here were privy to all the evidence presented to the grand jury and must respect the decision.
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    Nov 25, 2014 2:47 PM GMT
    Determinate saidWhy no indictment feels like a shock:

    "U.S. attorneys prosecuted 162,000 federal cases in 2010,"

    Grand juries declined to return an indictment in 11 of them."



    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/11/24/the-rarity-of-a-federal-grand-jury-not-indicting-visualized/


    According to Eric Holder, the federal investigation is still ongoing.

    Your comments aren't germane to the Grand Jury decision.

    http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-holder-ferguson-statement-20141124-story.html
  • mybud

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    Nov 25, 2014 2:47 PM GMT
    The real outrage was the looting that took place..most of it done by outsiders who didn't give a damn about the trial, or the results.
  • crosswinds

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    Nov 25, 2014 2:49 PM GMT
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    crosswinds saidI don't really know.

    I think, personally, that there really was an excessive use of force by the cop. That said, there is no doubt in my mind that Michael Brown was not innocent.

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    you're NOT making sense, dude. how is excessive force justified in this case and what did mike brown do to warrant such?

    the problem i have with this is the simple fact that the police simply are being allowed to do what they want and the government is allowing it. shooting someone should be the last resort. NOT the first. think that it's disturbing that police officers simply are being allowed to kill off people or harm them without any real justification and prosecutors are being told that they're "doing their job".


    Please see SOUTHBEACH1500's response.

    Like I said - Brown robbed a store, and attacked a police officer. If said officer shot perhaps too quickly is a matter of opinion. But when given a very small timeframe to decide - he decided to take the shot.

    Everyone is going around talking as if Brown was an innocent man who was at the wrong place at the wrong time, coming out of a football stadium with a child. He was NOT. He was a criminal that went a little too far, and the police officer decided he was in danger, and took the shot(s).

    Again! Were they 100% needed? Maybe, maybe not. He thought so. And frankly, I can't really blame him.
  • musclmed

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    Nov 25, 2014 3:05 PM GMT
    Maybe if you set aside the shooting and look at the behavior of the neighborhood you can wonder there is a attitude problem in that neighborhood.

    What is this the 3rd or 4th time people in that community have self destructed?

    Looting? Firebombing? Seems that the many many more people could have been hurt or killed by these violent actions.

    Seems to me this neighborhood is celebrating and protesting over a violent criminal simultaneously asking for justice then participating in lawlessness.
  • jaroslav123

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    Nov 25, 2014 3:30 PM GMT
    What did we honestly expect would happen?

    The structure of the legal system is rigged on the side of the cops.
  • bishop65

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    Nov 25, 2014 3:41 PM GMT
    Not fair, but not surprising either.
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    Nov 25, 2014 3:43 PM GMT
    Some of the comments blow me away and it's interesting that those that are NOT in favor of the outcome have chosen to disregard the intelligence, efforts, dedication of the 12 public civilians that sat for days and reviewed, analyzed and studied the evidence, listened to, interviewed and questioned witnesses and when completed ALL, repeat ALL of them decided that the office did NOT do anything criminal.

    So this leads me to the question of what is it that you wanted here? The law to be ignored because the person shot was black? Police officers to go to work each day making a decision that no matter what happens, they will not defend themselves against possible injury or death? Or should this be for white police only?

    Some of the comments here and on other boards really make me wonder how equal everyone in society wishes to be. Don't we all just want to be a little better than the next guy? Where do we decide that accountability for our own actions is what we need to pass on to the next generation? How does a man that walks into a convenience store, steals merchandise, rough up the owner, refuse to oblige the commands/authority of a person who's job it is to protect us and the community, attack the police officer and then suddenly become the martyr of the black community?

    Is the death of Michael Brown sad…sure it is, just like the death of anyone. But since when does breaking the law give you a free pass for ANY consequences that end up as a result of that lawlessness?

    This case is much different than Trayvon Martin or Oscar Grant and a comparison can NOT be made but this is a person who chose to steal, bully, confront police and attack the very people that work everyday keeping each of us, regardless of your ethnicity, sexuality or income, safe.

    I'm appalled at the rioting and comments and it leads me back to wondering what exactly the black community want out of this. I don't think it's justice, that was served. Many (minority) have done their own community a disfavor by what they've done (rioting, looting, shooting) and by what they have written. I think it's time for some sole searching in America and it must include taking responsibility for yourselves and your families and stop trying to blame everyone else.
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    Nov 25, 2014 3:45 PM GMT
    bishop65 saidNot fair, but not surprising either.

    Why was it not fair? What would have been fair in your opinion? Would it be fair that 12 people look at the evidence, listen to the testimony of the witnesses, see nothing prosecutable and indicate the police officer anyway? Is that fair? Where do YOU see that the system failed?
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    Nov 25, 2014 3:46 PM GMT
    bishop65 saidNot fair, but not surprising either.
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    Nov 25, 2014 3:49 PM GMT
    pellaz said
    bishop65 saidNot fair, but not surprising either.
    +1

    Why?