INJUSTICE in Texas and Probably via PBS / NPR, the Media, and across the Country over WHO INSPIRED THE FOUNDING FATHERS

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    Nov 29, 2014 4:53 PM GMT



    Now, see what Texas has done.

    The title of the article is misleading. They didn't make Moses a founding father. Our government was inspired by Judeo-Christian principles.

    Someone who is reading the book or read the book says only three of the founding fathers were Judeo-Christians.

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    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2014/11/texas-approves-textbooks-with-moses-as-founding-father/



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    Nov 29, 2014 5:09 PM GMT
    What do you expect from ultra conservative, backward Texas or more accurately TexASSicon_question.gif
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    Nov 29, 2014 7:31 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidWhat do you expect from ultra conservative, backward Texas or more accurately TexASSicon_question.gif


    Not many people in my generation learned this in school or in the media.

    Did you know about it?

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    Nov 29, 2014 7:41 PM GMT
    StephenOABC said
    roadbikeRob saidWhat do you expect from ultra conservative, backward Texas or more accurately TexASSicon_question.gif


    Not many people in my generation learned this in school or in the media.

    Did you know about it?

    No I didn't. Instead I was told that the founding fathers were deists not Christians.
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    Nov 29, 2014 9:30 PM GMT
    Its easy to 'see', one in the same...now just illuminatus


    Founding Fathers: Christians or Masons…or Both?
    http://www.endtime.com/blog/founding-fathers-christians-or-masons/

    So who were these Masons?

    The list of Lodge members include George Washington, Robert Paine, John Sullivan, John Hancock, James McHenry, John Glover, Henry Knox, Jacob Broom, John Fitzgerald, Richard Montgomery, Gunning Bedford, Daniel Carroll, William Whipple, John Dickson, and Benjamin Franklin, among others.

    Helloooooo..........

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    Nov 30, 2014 2:52 PM GMT
    I was told that our founding fathers were desists as well.
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    Nov 30, 2014 3:12 PM GMT
    I was told that the big four founding fathers were deists...

    ...then I read their personal works and verified it. Come on, these aren't secret documents--look it up, and see with your own eyes, the words written by their own hands!

    I'd provide links right here, right now, but I'm on my phone and hot linking is a challenge when you only have one tab.
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    Nov 30, 2014 3:21 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    StephenOABC said
    roadbikeRob saidWhat do you expect from ultra conservative, backward Texas or more accurately TexASSicon_question.gif


    Not many people in my generation learned this in school or in the media.

    Did you know about it?

    No I didn't. Instead I was told that the founding fathers were deists not Christians.


    Apparently that isn't 100% correct according to the book whose jacket cover image I posted. Three founding fathers were Christian; and, there are different degrees of Deism with reference to being Christian-inclusive.
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    Nov 30, 2014 3:25 PM GMT
    Kodiak saidI was told that the big four founding fathers were deists...

    ...then I read their personal works and verified it. Come on, these aren't secret documents--look it up, and see with your own eyes, the words written by their own hands!

    I'd provide links right here, right now, but I'm on my phone and hot linking is a challenge when you only have one tab.


    Interesting that you would go with the big four as opposed to more, if not all.

    I see 7 for now. To pick the Deists out of the bunch is stacking your position. Who are your big four?

    1 George Washington
    2 John Adams
    3 Thomas Jefferson
    4 James Madison
    5 Alexander Hamilton
    6 Benjamin Franklin
    7 Thomas Paine
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    Nov 30, 2014 9:00 PM GMT
    Jefferson was a Unitarian
    Franklin was a Unitarian
    Thomas Paine was Quaker
    John Adams was very much a Unitarian

    The products of the Radical Reformation and the Englightenment.

    They are not "Christian" by any Doctrinal or Creedal sense.

    In fact Thomas Jefferson had this to say about the so-called Holy Trinity:

    "no one sees with greater pleasure than myself the progress of reason in it’s advances towards rational Christianity. when we shall have done away the incomprehensible jargon of the Trinitarian arithmetic, that three are one, and one is three; when we shall have knocked down the artificial scaffolding, reared to mask from view the simple structure of Jesus, when, in short, we shall have unlearned every thing which has been taught since his day, and got back to the pure and simple doctrines he inculcated, we shall then be truly and worthily his disciples: and my opinion is that if nothing had ever been added to what flowed purely from his lips, the whole world would at this day have been Christian. I know the religion-builders have so distorted and deformed the doctrines of Jesus, so muffled them in mysticisms, fancies and falsehoods, have caricatured them into forms so monstrous and inconcievable, as to shock reasonable thinkers, to revolt them against the whole, and drive them rashly to pronounce it’s founder an imposter. had there never been a Commentator, there never would have been an infidel."

    I actually preached on this at the "Unity Sunday" service at Mill Hill Chapel, Leeds (Unity Sunday being the Unitarian respone to "Trinity" Sunday).


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    Dec 01, 2014 2:46 AM GMT
    Rowing_Ant said

    Thomas Paine was Quaker

    The products of the Radical Reformation and the Englightenment.

    They are not "Christian" by any Doctrinal or Creedal sense.



    At some point, Thomas Paine was certainly a Deist. I learned this from his own words in his pamphlets:

    The Age of Reason Part I and/or The Age of Reason Part II.
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    In fact Thomas Jefferson had this to say about the so-called Holy Trinity:

    "no one sees with greater pleasure than myself the progress of reason in it’s advances towards rational Christianity. when we shall have done away the incomprehensible jargon of the Trinitarian arithmetic, that three are one, and one is three; "

    I actually preached on this at the "Unity Sunday" service at Mill Hill Chapel, Leeds (Unity Sunday being the Unitarian response to "Trinity" Sunday).


    Trinities in religion aren't that big of a problem in world religions. If breeders want a trinity, then give them a trinity.

    Ancient Egyptian Religion - you can easily find Father, Mother, and Child.

    There's nothing unreasonable about making this archetype of breeding.

    Christianity -

    Now, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit isn't a good example of a Trinity. It's difficult to say there is a Feminine Principal in the Christian Trinity. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not archetypes: they are spiritual characters in the gospel narrative. If the early Christians wanted to make a Trinity of their literary spiritual characters, it's not that big of a deal.

    Judaism -

    In Kabbalah, there are Trinities and there are 10+ spheres/manifestations of God and Ain Sof, the unmanifested/Nothingness.

    Let me see if I remember:

    Ain Sof

    Crown

    3 spheres on the left
    3 spheres on the right
    1 sphere on the bottom
    1 partial sphere between Father and Mother
    another sphere in the middle of the diagram
    2 on the bottom

    See: http://www.rodurago.net/en/index.php?site=tree-of-life

    a trinity

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    There are 99 Names of Allah.

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    Dec 01, 2014 10:19 AM GMT
    Thomas Paine was usually considered to be an Atheist - as were most Unitarians in the early C19th around the time of the Priestley Riots (1792-94) in Britain which is known as the "English Reign of Terror".

    Paine was certainly a Quaker but that doesnt stop him from being simply a Deist. In Britain the mobs which attacked Unitarian churches during the Priestley Riots (after the great Untiarian Minister, scientist and philosopher Rev Dr Joseph Priesley) associated Tom Paine with the Unitarians because they shared similar political sympathies. Tom Paine was often burned in effegy.

    In fact, "Upon the rights of man" was illegal in Britain: it was considered to be both seditious and blasphemous.

    Mary Wolstonecraft (a Unitarian and mother of authoress Mary Shelley: her husband was the Radical William Godwin) wrote "A Vindication of the Rights of Women" in response to Paine (1792).