Was Shakespeare Gay? Literary Scholars Debate

  • metta

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    Dec 01, 2014 5:23 AM GMT
    Was Shakespeare Gay? Literary Scholars Debate


    http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/rachelwitkin/academics_debate_shakespeare_gay
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    Dec 01, 2014 5:59 AM GMT
    Im sure most people could debate if Shakespeare was gay. He was revolutionary, timeless thinking thought provoking genius in his day, and even to this day. I have a Shakespeare quote tatto'ed on my right calf. I personally am a huge fan. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Dec 01, 2014 1:41 PM GMT
    Perhaps they were BOTH gay. Because I hold to the theory that the Shakespeare we know was not 1 man, but 2. Shakespeare the actor knew the stagecraft, and a ghost writer, likely an English nobleman, collaborated with him. A strong candidate is the Earl of Oxford.
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    Dec 02, 2014 2:39 AM GMT
    Don't know. Don't care enough to speculate.
  • Rowing_Ant

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    Dec 02, 2014 9:24 AM GMT
    No because expressions such as Gay and Homosexual are not Tudor and there was no concept of being "Gay" ( as we understand the term) and the word homosexual had not yet been coined or defined. It's a mistake to use such words on past populations and people..... there's not enough evidence to say whether Shakespeare preferred having romantic relationships or sex with men. And even if he did, he wouldn't be "gay"
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    Dec 02, 2014 1:03 PM GMT
    Rowing_Ant said there's not enough evidence to say whether Shakespeare preferred having romantic relationships or sex with men. And even if he did, he wouldn't be "gay"

    No evidence? There's the ever-popular Sonnet 20:


    http://www.shakespeare-online.com/sonnets/20.html
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    Dec 02, 2014 5:35 PM GMT
    One sonnet does not a homosexual make.
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    Dec 02, 2014 5:47 PM GMT
    Rowing_Ant saidNo because expressions such as Gay and Homosexual are not Tudor and there was no concept of being "Gay" ( as we understand the term) and the word homosexual had not yet been coined or defined. It's a mistake to use such words on past populations and people..... there's not enough evidence to say whether Shakespeare preferred having romantic relationships or sex with men. And even if he did, he wouldn't be "gay"


    Well - and precisely - said! As for who Shakespeare really was, speculation has accompanied that debate almost since his death. Me? I ignore that and focus on the sheer genius of his works.
  • HottJoe

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    Dec 02, 2014 6:03 PM GMT
    Rowing_Ant saidNo because expressions such as Gay and Homosexual are not Tudor and there was no concept of being "Gay" ( as we understand the term) and the word homosexual had not yet been coined or defined. It's a mistake to use such words on past populations and people..... there's not enough evidence to say whether Shakespeare preferred having romantic relationships or sex with men. And even if he did, he wouldn't be "gay"

    Shakespeare himself would likely say that this is just semantics argument.icon_rolleyes.gif Being gay is just a contemporary word for same sex (non bisexual) attraction.
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    Dec 02, 2014 6:16 PM GMT
    Sounds more like a few cranio-rectal-impaction sufferers projecting than a "literary debate".
  • HottJoe

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    Dec 02, 2014 6:54 PM GMT
    It's always funny when something like this comes up and a bunch of gay men get bent out of shape by the theory that Shakespeare could possibly gay. Self-hating much??? Geezicon_rolleyes.gif
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    Dec 02, 2014 8:24 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidIt's always funny when something like this comes up and a bunch of gay men get bent out of shape by the theory that Shakespeare could possibly gay. Self-hating much??? Geezicon_rolleyes.gif

    No, it's just we don't accept the dressing sense of Shakespearean era. We have come a long way in establishing the fact that gays dress better. No one from that era is allowed to be gay icon_mad.gif
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    Dec 03, 2014 11:17 AM GMT
    I studied a little bit of Shakespeare back in College. I'm pretty sure he was at least a bit Bi. No straight man can write like that. There's a lot of homo-sexual erotic undertones in many of his plays. Merchant of Venice, Romeo/Juliet/Mercutio....some examples. icon_smile.gif Anyway, most male (esp. British) writers/poets tend to have same-sexual attraction feeling. How else would you explain a lot of male nudity scenes in many Movies from male screenwriters. icon_lol.gificon_razz.gificon_redface.gif
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    Dec 03, 2014 6:56 PM GMT
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    HottJoe saidIt's always funny when something like this comes up and a bunch of gay men get bent out of shape by the theory that Shakespeare could possibly gay. Self-hating much??? Geezicon_rolleyes.gif

    No, it's just we don't accept the dressing sense of Shakespearean era. We have come a long way in establishing the fact that gays dress better. No one from that era is allowed to be gay icon_mad.gif


    Damn, and I've been waiting for ruffs and doublets to come back in style. icon_sad.gif
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    Dec 03, 2014 8:39 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan said
    __morphic__ said
    HottJoe saidIt's always funny when something like this comes up and a bunch of gay men get bent out of shape by the theory that Shakespeare could possibly gay. Self-hating much??? Geezicon_rolleyes.gif

    No, it's just we don't accept the dressing sense of Shakespearean era. We have come a long way in establishing the fact that gays dress better. No one from that era is allowed to be gay icon_mad.gif


    Damn, and I've been waiting for ruffs and doublets to come back in style. icon_sad.gif

    Go back to be a straight man.icon_mad.gif
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    Dec 04, 2014 5:16 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidIt's always funny when something like this comes up and a bunch of gay men get bent out of shape by the theory that Shakespeare could possibly gay. Self-hating much??? Geezicon_rolleyes.gif


    It's not really funny, but rather quite tiresome when you post one of your completely predictable statements trotting out pop psychology and every other piece of nonsense that you use to justify your "self-hating" psychobabble.

    Your degree in psychology is from where??? icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Dec 04, 2014 5:52 PM GMT
    One of my English professors had a theory about Shakespeare's plays
    His notion was that they weren't written by Shakespeare but by another fellow with the same name
  • HottJoe

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    Dec 04, 2014 6:11 PM GMT
    MGINSD said
    HottJoe saidIt's always funny when something like this comes up and a bunch of gay men get bent out of shape by the theory that Shakespeare could possibly gay. Self-hating much??? Geezicon_rolleyes.gif


    It's not really funny, but rather quite tiresome when you post one of your completely predictable statements trotting out pop psychology and every other piece of nonsense that you use to justify your "self-hating" psychobabble.

    Your degree in psychology is from where??? icon_rolleyes.gif

    Well, I wouldn't want to offend the establishment by suggesting that someone of historical importance might have been gay, especially not an artist! That would be so perverted!!!icon_eek.gif

    Lol, jk... You can quit hating yourself now.icon_rolleyes.gif
  • HottJoe

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    Dec 04, 2014 6:15 PM GMT
    Sharkspeare saidOne of my English professors had a theory about Shakespeare's plays
    His notion was that they weren't written by Shakespeare but by another fellow with the same name

    Well, isn't that convenient? Obviously some straight guy stole the work of a gay man with the same name.icon_mad.gif