No, Clerks Don’t Have a Religious Right to Deny Marriage Licenses to Gay Couples

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    Dec 01, 2014 7:03 PM GMT

    The spin doctors (victimized Christians) are really insane icon_rolleyes.gif


    http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2014/12/01/clerks_have_no_religious_right_to_deny_gay_couples_marriage_licenses.html


    There’s also something repulsively hypocritical about the ADF’s discrimination argument here. For years, the ADF has claimed that anti-gay marriage laws don’t unconstitutionally discriminate against gay people. These laws, the group insists, are merely designed to protect a heterosexual definition of marriage, not to codify prejudice against gay people. Now that the law increasingly treats gays and straights equally, the ADF has suddenly decided to expand its definition of discrimination. In the group’s revised view, barring gays from marriage isn’t discriminatory—but requiring government employees to issue marriage licenses to gay couples is pure discrimination designed to victimize Christians for their religious beliefs.
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    Dec 01, 2014 9:48 PM GMT
    So If I were a Muslim, and I were clerk, that means I have legal right to legally accept a man marrying multiple wives? Even when polygamy is illegal in the state?
    (I mean no offense to Islam by this post)
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    Dec 02, 2014 6:29 AM GMT
    Ronar2 saidSo If I were a Muslim, and I were clerk, that means I have legal right to legally accept a man marrying multiple wives? Even when polygamy is illegal in the state?
    (I mean no offense to Islam by this post)


    A clerk cannot legally accept an illegal act. This has nothing to do with an illegal (attempt at) marriage. No, the discussion here is about a religious "right" (refusal) trumping a civil right (marriage). Assuming the marriage is legal in that state.
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    Dec 02, 2014 6:39 PM GMT
    Ronar2 saidSo If I were a Muslim, and I were clerk, that means I have legal right to legally accept a man marrying multiple wives? Even when polygamy is illegal in the state?
    (I mean no offense to Islam by this post)


    Clerks don't have to "legally accept" anything.
    The job of the clerk, in nearly all jurisdictions, is to VERIFY that the applicant meets whatever local qualifications for a legal marriage license: things like age, length of residence in the jurisdiction, not currently married to someone else, not already first-degree related to each other, and whatever other state rules require. The clerk verifies the couple meets the requirements and then issue the license. In no state (that I am aware of) is it the clerk's responsibility or job description to pass moral judgment on the couple or their relationship. It is specifically NOT the clerk's job to approve, endorse, condone, bless, or otherwise encourage any particular couple's form of relationship.
  • bro4bro

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    Dec 04, 2014 5:13 AM GMT
    Refusal to do the job you were hired to do is not a religious right.

    Resigning from a job that conflicts with your personal beliefs so someone less judgmental can perform the required duties - that is a religious right.

    Muslims don't take jobs as wine tasters.

    Buddhists don't take jobs as butchers.

    If I was suddenly required to do something at my job that seriously conflicted with my personal sense of ethics, I'd go look for other work. And if I refused to do my job, I'd expect to be terminated.

    What makes these self-righteous bitches so special?
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    Dec 04, 2014 2:19 PM GMT
    Clerks have a religious right to not get gay married themselves. But no religious right to deny that right to others.
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    Dec 04, 2014 3:24 PM GMT
    bro4bro saidRefusal to do the job you were hired to do is not a religious right.

    Resigning from a job that conflicts with your personal beliefs so someone less judgmental can perform the required duties - that is a religious right.

    Muslims don't take jobs as wine tasters.

    Buddhists don't take jobs as butchers.

    If I was suddenly required to do something at my job that seriously conflicted with my personal sense of ethics, I'd go look for other work. And if I refused to do my job, I'd expect to be terminated.

    What makes these self-righteous bitches so special?


    Nothing makes them special. The more these groups draw this out the more I think its all about money. Making a few dollars off of some bigots fear that they are loosing control of society.