Would you have your former best friend locked up for doing something like this? What would be a fair revenge?

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    Dec 02, 2014 1:38 AM GMT
    Ok, this story is crazy as hell. But I'm going to try and simplify it.

    Long story short, lying ass friend of mine of 2 years tells me a couple months ago that he needs to "bring something over". I have no idea, and when I ask him he doesn't tell me. He's in the process of moving, so he brings a friggin 60" TV to my place. I'm like, okaaaaay, why don't you tell me this?

    Well, over the course of 2-3 months he pccasionally says he's gonna come back for the TV, but doesn't? Mind you, I can't watch the damn thing because he didn't even provide the power cord or remote. Eventually, I tell him he needs to get the damn thing out of my house. At 1 point, he finally tells me it's not his TV. I Say you better not be storing a stolen TV in my house. He says no.

    Fast forward to last week, the shit hits the fan and truth comes out. He's been holding the TV hostage from someone, refusing to give it back. Apparently his job conducted a background check, and found out he had "something" on his record related to this TV. Well, he is now serious about coming to pick up the TV, only this time I'm not in town. He drives 700 miles from where he moved to, then ignores the fact that I'm out of town and can't just immediately show up for his bullshit.

    This idiot breaks into my door while I'm away, and takes the TV back. He lies about having a locksmith do it, and the entire frame around the door is damaged, and the door can no longer be securely locked. He didn't take anything else except his stupid stolen TV.

    At this point, I want to file a police report...because I have texts and photos to prove it was him. But part of me wants to, another part says I should have mercy, another part of me hates talking to police officers. Another part wants me to report it to his job. What would you have done?

    Whatever I do, I'd do it for the mere fact he lied so much about everything+it's property damages+trespassing I could go after him for as its a rental unit. I really just want to fry his balls, but I don't know if I could live with that though. What about the verse, "revenge is mine sath th lord"? But isnt there some type of legal obligation to report stuff like this?
  • AMoonHawk

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    Dec 02, 2014 4:08 AM GMT
    Next time someone want to store something at your house and won't tell you what it is ... say no.
  • SilverRRCloud

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    Dec 02, 2014 5:59 AM GMT
    Chalk it off to a learning experience.

    Choose your friends carefully.

    And, yeah, fix the door...

    SC
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    Dec 02, 2014 6:23 AM GMT
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  • buddycat

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    Dec 02, 2014 6:52 AM GMT
    I agree, tell him to fix the door or you will file charges for breaking and entering. Personally I would be suspicious about storing something as I would the person contacting me on Craig's List about doing mass "repairs" on PCs.
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    Dec 02, 2014 3:34 PM GMT
    You probably should report it. His behavior will continue to get out of hand as no one will be there to say no. He broke into your home. This is not a friend. This is a crazy person.

    Take it from me. I got robbed by a dear friend. She took everything of value and lied her ass off using her own two young children as safe guards. This women was actually pure evil but seemed so genuine and sincere....she stole a 1.4 carat diamond ring on a platinum band, my 17" macbook pro, my canon 20D with all my lenses and then wrote a check for $1000 and cashed it in my name. I l was left with nothing....but because she had two small children I didn't do anything....and I still harbor anger towards her...wish I had reported her...
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    Dec 02, 2014 3:43 PM GMT
    Yeah, the job thing is his concern. The breaking-and-entering is yours. If I were in that situation, I'd let him deal with his job, and the only extent to which I'd involve myself is contacting authorities and press charges if necessary, in order to rectify the door issue.

    Breaking into your house isn't the action of a friend or ally, in my eyes at least--not when the ends to justify those means is nothing more than a material good, regardless of whatever data is on the device.

    Just my opinion here! Haven't been in that kind of situation before, so I'm just sharing my inexperienced philosophy, no idea if it'll help, or if it's superior to some of the ideas that have already been provided here. But good luck, hope everything comes together in the end, with as little inconvenience to yourself as is possible.
  • Destinharbor

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    Dec 02, 2014 4:54 PM GMT
    I'd report him to the police, change the locks/doorframe, forget it. Disconnect yourself in any way possible. Don't get in an argument with him. Don't talk to him. Think of him like you would a pickpocket. Nothing to do with you or your world.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Dec 02, 2014 5:02 PM GMT
    This isn't about revenge, get that term out of your vocabulary, this is about protecting yourself and taking the initiative with regard to your good name... and you were yourself a crime victim.

    He isn't a friend, he broke into your home and damaged your property. He took advantage of you and lied to you about the TV set. I'd call the police, fill out a report and
    set the wheels in motion. Don't ever talk to the SOB again.


    In the future, be careful about this kind of thing and make sure that if you do store something for a "friend", that you know all circumstances and how long you are holding it for him or her.
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    Dec 02, 2014 5:09 PM GMT
    "Apparently his job conducted a background check, and found out he had "something" on his record related to this TV."

    This is a very vague statement. So he stole the TV or not? Regardless, friends don't break into your house. Period. And let me tell you something else....thieves will often try and pin their crimes on other people and since this TV was in YOUR house, he can easily finger you as the thief! Report this to the police immediately to protect yourself.
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    Dec 02, 2014 5:37 PM GMT
    Definitely report it to the police - and then be on the lookout for this thug or any associates of his who might try to harm you. And yes, be very selective in who you choose as friends!

    There's no real "legal obligation" to report this, but it would be best for you to do so to negate any possible claims - jokers like this are notorious for dragging everyone they can down with them - that you were an accessory or co-conspirator to his several crimes. Also, it would be good for you to get over your reluctance to work with the police, instead of harboring resentment against them. In this case, doing the right thing is a win-win all around.
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    Dec 02, 2014 5:55 PM GMT
    Did you pack your own bags? Have your bags been in your possession since you packed them?

    buddycat saidI agree, tell him to fix the door or you will file charges for breaking and entering...


    Whenever you've more than made mere acquaintance, inviting them into your life, whenever they've held hostage a television and you've played accomplice (knowingly or not: you mean you never suspected a thing, huh?) by providing stash, and then they break into your stash to retrieve the buried hostage before it runs out of oxygen, you should always turn life from 99% into complete shit by adding extortion to your mix. Did you pack that?

    Leave that bag unattended and walk the fuck away.

    http://www.topcalifornialawyer.com/Criminal-Defense/White-Collar-Crimes/Extortion.aspx
    Extortion is covered under Penal Code (PC) 518, which states,

    "Extortion is the obtaining of property from another, with his consent, or the obtaining of an official act of a public officer, induced by a wrongful use of force or fear, or under color of official right."

    "Fear" under extortion is a threat to do one of the following:
    •Injure a person or damage property;
    Accuse the person or their relatives of an alleged crime;
    •Connect the individual with a disgrace, deformity, or crime; or
    •Reveal a secret affecting the targeted individual or their relatives
  • buddycat

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    Dec 02, 2014 9:16 PM GMT
    theantijock saidDid you pack your own bags? Have your bags been in your possession since you packed them?

    buddycat saidI agree, tell him to fix the door or you will file charges for breaking and entering...


    Whenever you've more than made mere acquaintance, inviting them into your life, whenever they've held hostage a television and you've played accomplice (knowingly or not: you mean you never suspected a thing, huh?) by providing stash, and then they break into your stash to retrieve the buried hostage before it runs out of oxygen, you should always turn life from 99% into complete shit by adding extortion to your mix. Did you pack that?

    Leave that bag unattended and walk the fuck away.

    http://www.topcalifornialawyer.com/Criminal-Defense/White-Collar-Crimes/Extortion.aspx
    Extortion is covered under Penal Code (PC) 518, which states,

    "Extortion is the obtaining of property from another, with his consent, or the obtaining of an official act of a public officer, induced by a wrongful use of force or fear, or under color of official right."

    "Fear" under extortion is a threat to do one of the following:
    •Injure a person or damage property;
    Accuse the person or their relatives of an alleged crime;
    •Connect the individual with a disgrace, deformity, or crime; or
    •Reveal a secret affecting the targeted individual or their relatives


    Eh, I am done feeding the Internet trolls. Antijock find someone else to troll, time for ignore.
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    Dec 03, 2014 12:15 AM GMT
    buddycat saidtell him to fix the door or you will file charges for breaking and entering


    buddycat saidAre you a lawyer shyster? If not I certainly wouldn't go spouting of on what you call "extortion". First of, he committed a crime that I would think you can go to jail for by breaking into his house. Second of all, he damaged is property and is liable for it. Since he was a friend I merely suggested that you allow him to right his wrong before bringing in the authorities. This situation is all shady to begin with. If someone showed up at my house and wanted to store a TV, I would say no because I would think it is stolen. Most reasonable people would not let someone "store" something like that.


    "allow him to right his wrong before bringing in the authorities"??????????

    lolololololol

    What are you thinking, that you are his mother or some instrument of karma? Try arguing that to the judge. See if she doesn't run out to get her hair done.

    So, in your other more flowery words, you are only going to euphemistically coerce as if that makes all the difference in the world. You might want to rethink that. That's not even a distinction without a difference. That's the exact same fucking thing as you said the first time around. It was quite clear the first time. The second time was just funny.

    Look, you can either turn him in or not. You can either ask him to fix the door or pay for damages or not. But as soon as you use the one to coerce the other, that's no longer karma, that's extortion.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extortion
    Extortion (also called shakedown, outwresting, and exaction) is a criminal offense of obtaining money, property, or services from a person, entity, or institution, through coercion...

    ...Extortion, which is not limited to the taking of property, involves the verbal or written instillation of fear that something will happen to the victim if they do not comply with the extortionist's will...

    ...Such threats include the filing of reports (true or not) of criminal behavior to the police...


    So regardless of the morals of a hostage taking thief, extortion to extract "justice" is also criminally minded.

    Now eat the rest of your dinner or I'm going to tell your mother on you.
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    Dec 03, 2014 2:59 AM GMT
    Something tells me its better to just cut him out of your life and not have to deal with him anymore.. good thing he is 700 mi away
  • davfit

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    Dec 03, 2014 3:06 AM GMT
    Remember ..you teach people how you want to be treated.. forget it.. just be glad he's gone and never see him again...ahh what a feeling...
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    Dec 03, 2014 8:55 AM GMT
    SilverRRCloud saidChalk it off to a learning experience.

    Choose your friends carefully.

    And, yeah, fix the door...

    SC


    this ^
  • josephmovie

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    Dec 03, 2014 11:25 AM GMT
    Report it to the cops and and ask them how they think the situation will pan out if you decide to press charges. Take their advice.
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    Dec 03, 2014 12:09 PM GMT
    Once some jerk ask me to keep his drugs at my place, and my response to him was "fuck off". I don't friend trouble makers aka criminals or fake friends using people.
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    Dec 03, 2014 12:21 PM GMT
    josephmovie saidReport it to the cops and and ask them how they think the situation will pan out if you decide to press charges. Take their advice.


    Just move on. What would you say to the cops, "My friend stole it" ....right ? You are guilty for harboring stolen property.
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    Dec 03, 2014 12:37 PM GMT
    I hope the "friendship" is really over. This person destroyed your friendship. You were used and may very well have become an unknowing accomplice in a crime. You have no obligation to help or protect your former friend. If he damaged the door to your leased property, YOU are the one that will be paying for this repair unless you have documentation from the police that someone broke in.
    Be very careful of how you proceed. You open a number of questions depending on your next actions and may be in violation of your lease or an actual statute.
    I would cover my ass with actual, SOUND legal advice. This is no longer a friend, this is a liability that must be mitigated and forgotten. Last thing to do is act in haste to get revenge. Talking to police never produces a good outcome, as they are not the "interpreter" of the law, simply the mindless enforcers.
    Cover your ass, and if need be, through him under the bus. Seriously, talk to an attorney or a free legal service to know what options cover your ass.icon_cool.gif
    GOOD LUCK.
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    Dec 03, 2014 4:47 PM GMT
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    theantijock saidDid you pack your own bags? Have your bags been in your possession since you packed them?

    buddycat saidI agree, tell him to fix the door or you will file charges for breaking and entering...


    Whenever you've more than made mere acquaintance, inviting them into your life, whenever they've held hostage a television and you've played accomplice (knowingly or not: you mean you never suspected a thing, huh?) by providing stash, and then they break into your stash to retrieve the buried hostage before it runs out of oxygen, you should always turn life from 99% into complete shit by adding extortion to your mix. Did you pack that?

    Leave that bag unattended and walk the fuck away.

    http://www.topcalifornialawyer.com/Criminal-Defense/White-Collar-Crimes/Extortion.aspx
    Extortion is covered under Penal Code (PC) 518, which states,

    "Extortion is the obtaining of property from another, with his consent, or the obtaining of an official act of a public officer, induced by a wrongful use of force or fear, or under color of official right."

    "Fear" under extortion is a threat to do one of the following:
    •Injure a person or damage property;
    Accuse the person or their relatives of an alleged crime;
    •Connect the individual with a disgrace, deformity, or crime; or
    •Reveal a secret affecting the targeted individual or their relatives


    Eh, I am done feeding the Internet trolls. Antijock find someone else to troll, time for ignore.


    Oh how funny, you lashed out by snidely editing in some extra lame-ass whippersnapper thinking--you snapped a Snidely Whiplash-- a full fucking day after was posted response which you most likely had already read lololol. So the extortionist is also a revisionist? lololol. To pull that off you'd have to be an extortionist revisionist contortionist.

    Ignore my posts all you want. I don't give a flying fuck. But if I notice someone advising extortion as remedy, I'm still gonna call it out. This might come as quite the surprise, but the opinion that an extortionist has of me doesn't really matter much. So you don't have to fear that it might ruin my day. You have a nice day too though.
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    Dec 03, 2014 8:36 PM GMT
    Cut your losses. You want revenge? Pick your opportunity on something sweeter.

    Getting the cops involved is risky, considering your muddy culpability in this. Oddly, the defense, "I was holding it for a friend," works better than, "I was holding it for an EX-friend."

    The door jamb kit is $43 at Home Depot. Plus some new trim (probably $12). Or if you're careful with the trim, maybe nothing.

    Of course he's an asshole. Of course he could be fucked over for this. But that cost is greater to you than this easy $55. Cut your losses, deal, breathe.
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    Dec 03, 2014 8:42 PM GMT
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    josephmovie saidReport it to the cops and and ask them how they think the situation will pan out if you decide to press charges. Take their advice.


    Just move on. What would you say to the cops, "My friend stole it" ....right ? You are guilty for harboring stolen property.



    That's highly unlikely to happen. Reporting it to the police and telling the truth will protect him....not implicate him.
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    Dec 03, 2014 8:44 PM GMT
    I think you should just demand money from your friend and merely threaten to get the police involved if he fails to comply. You really don't want to get the police involved.