Another epic grand jury fail.:(

  • HottJoe

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    Dec 03, 2014 7:49 PM GMT
    I'm shocked by this one. There's no justice in the U.S. for unarmed black men getting murdered by the police.

    What is this country coming to?icon_cry.gif

    http://news.yahoo.com/nyc-grand-jury-return-no-indictment-police-choke-193254083.html
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    Dec 03, 2014 8:15 PM GMT
    1. He was big and intimidating
    2. He could have killed officers with his cigarette ninja stunt.
    3. He could have reached for gun.
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    Dec 03, 2014 8:24 PM GMT
    __morphic__ said1. He was big and intimidating
    2. He could have killed officers with his cigarette ninja stunt.
    3. He could have reached for gun.
    ....icon_rolleyes.gif

    He could've said he couldn't breathe and begged for mercy in a humiliating public murder... Oh wait that's what happened to him... horrifying.
  • HottJoe

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    Dec 03, 2014 8:42 PM GMT
    This case gives credence to the argument that the country has declared open season on black men. It's quite horrifying. I hope the international community does something about it. I really don't see how the US can take the high ground anymore. What's happening here is just as bad as what's happening to gay people in Russia.
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    Dec 03, 2014 8:51 PM GMT
    Not surprised. Even though I work parallel with law enforcement I know that I could easily be at the mercy of an officer and should they decide to be corrupt my character would be questioned before his/hers
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    Dec 03, 2014 9:07 PM GMT
    tmac saidNot surprised. Even though I work parallel with law enforcement I know that I could easily be at the mercy of an officer and should they decide to be corrupt my character would be questioned before his/hers

    This one was caught on video and is such a clear-cut case of police brutality. I am shocked by the lack of indictment. Maybe I shouldn't be??? But how can this not be a wakeup call to sane people who can see the obvious injustice?icon_confused.gif
  • monstapex

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    Dec 03, 2014 11:19 PM GMT
    police's perception of black men

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    Dec 03, 2014 11:23 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    tmac saidNot surprised. Even though I work parallel with law enforcement I know that I could easily be at the mercy of an officer and should they decide to be corrupt my character would be questioned before his/hers

    This one was caught on video and is such a clear-cut case of police brutality. I am shocked by the lack of indictment. Maybe I shouldn't be??? But how can this not be a wakeup call to sane people who can see the obvious injustice?icon_confused.gif

    Funny how the usual RJ political brigade has nothing to say about his judgement.
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    Dec 03, 2014 11:35 PM GMT
    "How does a prohibited, aggressive choke-hold on an unarmed, peaceful man that leads to his death not constitute manslaughter in the second degree?

    How is such an act not even brought to trial?

    Unlike the Brown case, there is no doubt about what happened – we can see it with our own eyes."


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    Dec 03, 2014 11:49 PM GMT
    "The key now is for the protests to be bigger and calmer than Ferguson and across the political spectrum.

    And for the DOJ to take a look.

    If cops can get away with this kind of thing, even when there’s direct video evidence, why would body cams make any difference at all?"
  • musclmed

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    Dec 04, 2014 3:05 AM GMT
    I dont think it was murder. However there was negligence on the police side.
    I never heard in the video when he was told he was under arrest.

    This is at the least a wrongful death. And it shows the lack of basic medical knowledge I believe a police officer should have.

    I dont think this approaches anything close to the Ferguson /Michael Brown issue.

    It may not be a murder. But maybe manslaughter / negligent homicide.
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    Dec 04, 2014 6:00 AM GMT
    Time to start burning down some courtrooms and police stations. Surely an army of 316.1 MILLION http://www.census.gov/popclock/ can overthrow a few dozen governmental agencies.
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    Dec 04, 2014 2:36 PM GMT
    FuzzyPecs27 saidTime to start burning down some courtrooms and police stations. Surely an army of 316.1 MILLION http://www.census.gov/popclock/ can overthrow a few dozen governmental agencies.


    Hear, hear!
  • HottJoe

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    Dec 04, 2014 5:56 PM GMT
    __morphic__ said
    HottJoe said
    tmac saidNot surprised. Even though I work parallel with law enforcement I know that I could easily be at the mercy of an officer and should they decide to be corrupt my character would be questioned before his/hers

    This one was caught on video and is such a clear-cut case of police brutality. I am shocked by the lack of indictment. Maybe I shouldn't be??? But how can this not be a wakeup call to sane people who can see the obvious injustice?icon_confused.gif

    Funny how the usual RJ political brigade has nothing to say about his judgement.

    I'd like to think that they're doing some soul-searching. Unfortunately, I've seen a lot of commentary on the web from conservatives saying the most vile things I could ever imagine. Basically, a disturbing number Fox News fans are making me lose my faith in humanity.icon_sad.gif
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    __morphic__ said
    HottJoe said
    tmac saidNot surprised. Even though I work parallel with law enforcement I know that I could easily be at the mercy of an officer and should they decide to be corrupt my character would be questioned before his/hers

    This one was caught on video and is such a clear-cut case of police brutality. I am shocked by the lack of indictment. Maybe I shouldn't be??? But how can this not be a wakeup call to sane people who can see the obvious injustice?icon_confused.gif

    Funny how the usual RJ political brigade has nothing to say about his judgement.

    I'm sure they have plenty to say in private among themselves, that would make the rest of us sick. But fear not, the usual RJ suspects will emerge soon, to assure us how the fault lies not with the police but with the "thugs", the Right's latest euphemism for the "N" word.

    You see, according to them every Black person is a "thug" from President Obama on down to little school kids. And all Whites, and only Whites, are "responsible citizens".
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    HottJoe said
    __morphic__ said
    HottJoe said
    tmac saidNot surprised. Even though I work parallel with law enforcement I know that I could easily be at the mercy of an officer and should they decide to be corrupt my character would be questioned before his/hers

    This one was caught on video and is such a clear-cut case of police brutality. I am shocked by the lack of indictment. Maybe I shouldn't be??? But how can this not be a wakeup call to sane people who can see the obvious injustice?icon_confused.gif

    Funny how the usual RJ political brigade has nothing to say about his judgement.

    I'd like to think that they're doing some soul-searching. Unfortunately, I've seen a lot of commentary on the web from conservatives saying the most vile things I could ever imagine. Basically, a disturbing number Fox News fans are making me lose my faith in humanity.icon_sad.gif


    Who? You mean folks such as Fox's O'Reilly?

    http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/Bill-OReilly-chokehold-loosen-Eric-Garner/2014/12/03/id/610951/

    "I was extremely troubled," O'Reilly said. "I would have loosened my grip. I desperately wish the officer would have done that."

    And

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/12/03/eric-garner-case-grievous-wrong-not-to-indict/?intcmp=latestnews

    What's so vile about the above? Are we talking about the same Fox News ?


  • HottJoe

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    Dec 04, 2014 7:42 PM GMT
    ^Bill O'Reilly is one of many commentators. He's the most moderate of them, which is scary. Some of the other commentators were saying things to disparage the victim, and the African American community, and it made me sick.
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    HottJoe said^Bill O'Reilly is one of many commentators. He's the most moderate of them, which is scary. Some of the other commentators were saying things to disparage the victim, and the African American community, and it made me sick.


    "Some of the other commentators were saying things to disparage the victim"

    Who? Right winger Bob Beckel?

    Which should tell you that we conservatives are not of one mind over this (including me). I obviously didn't sit on that grand jury, but from what I know, excessive and unnecessary force was used.
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    Dec 04, 2014 7:50 PM GMT
    And it wasn't only O'Reilly

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/12/03/eric-garner-case-grievous-wrong-not-to-indict/?intcmp=latestnews

    "A grand jury chose not to indict a New York City police officer Wednesday for causing the death of New York City resident Eric Garner. There was ample evidence to indict; and the grand jury made a grievous error by not doing so. I say this not having seen the evidence before the grand jury, not having seen the medical reports, and not having heard what the District Attorney said to the grand jury.

    But I have seen a videotape of the incident and it reveals probable cause to show that the police officer used grossly excessive force on a non-violent, non-threatening person. It also reveals he cried and screamed for help because by compacting his chest, his breathing was impaired. The police did nothing to save his live; yet they accelerated his death needlessly. On the basis of the tape alone, I have a clean conscience making such an assertion that an indictment was warranted. The job of a properly instructed grand jury is not to assess guilt or innocence, not to decide who was right or wrong, but solely to determine if there is enough evidence to charge a defendant in a given case.

    Garner was selling cigarettes to homeless folks for a dollar. That is the moral equivalent of jay-walking. He should have been sent to another street corner with a warning, rather than arrested for this harmless behavior. We don’t live in a society in which every conceivable criminal charge should be brought against every conceivable defendant. There have been such societies, and we have fought wars against them. Have we won those wars only to become like the governments that we eradicated?


    Andrew P. Napolitano, a former judge of the Superior Court of New Jersey, is the senior judicial analyst at Fox News Channel. He joined FNC in January 1998. Judge Napolitano has written seven books on the U.S. Constitution. The most recent is “Theodore and Woodrow: How Two American Presidents Destroyed Constitutional Freedom.” To find out more about Judge Napolitano and to read features by other Creators Syndicate writers and cartoonists, visit www.creators.com."
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    Dec 04, 2014 8:40 PM GMT
    Unseen Video Of Eric Garner Death - Over 7 minutes handcuffed not breathing NYPD chokehold AFTERMATH

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    Dec 04, 2014 9:09 PM GMT
    Determinate saidUnseen Video Of Eric Garner Death - Over 7 minutes handcuffed not breathing NYPD chokehold AFTERMATH



    Yes, but we hardcore liberals are letting ourselves off the hook here: Today's NYT editorial was a walking-on-eggshells disgrace. I suppose the best we can hope for is that, someday, we'll have politicians motivated enough to do something about this, you know, like a black President... or a mayor of New York who's married to a black woman and has to warn his black teen son to be careful around the police... oh, wait...

    I mean, come on DiBlasio, this did happen in New York City, and on your watch, right???

  • FRE0

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    Dec 04, 2014 10:15 PM GMT
    I'm not sure about the case in Ferguson, but this latest New York case seems much clearer. It at least looks as though the grand jury should have indicted so that the case would go to trial where all the evidence would be publicly aired.

    Contrary to what some whites think, in spite of the progress made, there is still a serious problem with racial discrimination. Blacks and whites are not treated equally.
  • HottJoe

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    Dec 04, 2014 10:33 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree saidAnd it wasn't only O'Reilly

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/12/03/eric-garner-case-grievous-wrong-not-to-indict/?intcmp=latestnews

    "A grand jury chose not to indict a New York City police officer Wednesday for causing the death of New York City resident Eric Garner. There was ample evidence to indict; and the grand jury made a grievous error by not doing so. I say this not having seen the evidence before the grand jury, not having seen the medical reports, and not having heard what the District Attorney said to the grand jury.

    But I have seen a videotape of the incident and it reveals probable cause to show that the police officer used grossly excessive force on a non-violent, non-threatening person. It also reveals he cried and screamed for help because by compacting his chest, his breathing was impaired. The police did nothing to save his live; yet they accelerated his death needlessly. On the basis of the tape alone, I have a clean conscience making such an assertion that an indictment was warranted. The job of a properly instructed grand jury is not to assess guilt or innocence, not to decide who was right or wrong, but solely to determine if there is enough evidence to charge a defendant in a given case.

    Garner was selling cigarettes to homeless folks for a dollar. That is the moral equivalent of jay-walking. He should have been sent to another street corner with a warning, rather than arrested for this harmless behavior. We don’t live in a society in which every conceivable criminal charge should be brought against every conceivable defendant. There have been such societies, and we have fought wars against them. Have we won those wars only to become like the governments that we eradicated?


    Andrew P. Napolitano, a former judge of the Superior Court of New Jersey, is the senior judicial analyst at Fox News Channel. He joined FNC in January 1998. Judge Napolitano has written seven books on the U.S. Constitution. The most recent is “Theodore and Woodrow: How Two American Presidents Destroyed Constitutional Freedom.” To find out more about Judge Napolitano and to read features by other Creators Syndicate writers and cartoonists, visit www.creators.com."

    The problem with this type of Faux commentary is that it skirts the real issues that are being debated here. Yes, it's a fact that this was a homicide, and of course we can agree on that much. BUT the reason these rampant killings of black men by white police officers are inciting protests, and in some cases riots, is because racial tensions in the U.S. have led to a system where in nearly every American city, from the north to the south, black people are being treated like second class citizens, by (mainly white) law enforcement, and a staggering number of white people effectively support it by denying that the bias even exists, thus allowing it to continue. The problem won't get fixed very easily if half the country is willfully blind to problem, or worse.

    Until someone at Faux News grows the balls to admit that the crux of the issue is racism, then they're really just wasting time and patting themselves on the back for being semi-human P.O.S.'s.
  • FRE0

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    Dec 04, 2014 10:41 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    freedomisntfree saidAnd it wasn't only O'Reilly

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/12/03/eric-garner-case-grievous-wrong-not-to-indict/?intcmp=latestnews

    "A grand jury chose not to indict a New York City police officer Wednesday for causing the death of New York City resident Eric Garner. There was ample evidence to indict; and the grand jury made a grievous error by not doing so. I say this not having seen the evidence before the grand jury, not having seen the medical reports, and not having heard what the District Attorney said to the grand jury.

    But I have seen a videotape of the incident and it reveals probable cause to show that the police officer used grossly excessive force on a non-violent, non-threatening person. It also reveals he cried and screamed for help because by compacting his chest, his breathing was impaired. The police did nothing to save his live; yet they accelerated his death needlessly. On the basis of the tape alone, I have a clean conscience making such an assertion that an indictment was warranted. The job of a properly instructed grand jury is not to assess guilt or innocence, not to decide who was right or wrong, but solely to determine if there is enough evidence to charge a defendant in a given case.

    Garner was selling cigarettes to homeless folks for a dollar. That is the moral equivalent of jay-walking. He should have been sent to another street corner with a warning, rather than arrested for this harmless behavior. We don’t live in a society in which every conceivable criminal charge should be brought against every conceivable defendant. There have been such societies, and we have fought wars against them. Have we won those wars only to become like the governments that we eradicated?


    Andrew P. Napolitano, a former judge of the Superior Court of New Jersey, is the senior judicial analyst at Fox News Channel. He joined FNC in January 1998. Judge Napolitano has written seven books on the U.S. Constitution. The most recent is “Theodore and Woodrow: How Two American Presidents Destroyed Constitutional Freedom.” To find out more about Judge Napolitano and to read features by other Creators Syndicate writers and cartoonists, visit www.creators.com."

    The problem with this type of Faux commentary is that it skirts the real issues that are being debated here. Yes, it's a fact that this was a homicide, and of course we can agree on that much. BUT the reason these rampant killings of black men by white police officers are inciting protests, and in some cases riots, is because racial tensions in the U.S. have led to a system where in nearly every American city, from the north to the south, black people are being treated like second class citizens, by (mainly white) law enforcement, and a staggering number of white people effectively support it by denying that the bias even exists, thus allowing it to continue. The problem won't get fixed very easily if half the country is willfully blind to problem, or worse.

    Until someone at Faux News grows the balls to admit that the crux of the issue is racism, then they're really just wasting time and patting themselves on the back for being semi-human P.O.S.'s.


    It might help if whites were better educated regarding racial matters. It seems that many people, whether black or white, know little about civil rights history. Many whites are unaware of the profiling and other discrimination faced by blacks.

    It is unclear how this lack of education on racial matters can be accomplished. The media will not do it. It would be politically very difficult for schools to do it. Only those of us who have made an effort to study the issues and become informed have a reasonably good understanding.
  • HottJoe

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    Dec 04, 2014 10:51 PM GMT
    FRE0 said
    HottJoe said
    freedomisntfree saidAnd it wasn't only O'Reilly

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/12/03/eric-garner-case-grievous-wrong-not-to-indict/?intcmp=latestnews

    "A grand jury chose not to indict a New York City police officer Wednesday for causing the death of New York City resident Eric Garner. There was ample evidence to indict; and the grand jury made a grievous error by not doing so. I say this not having seen the evidence before the grand jury, not having seen the medical reports, and not having heard what the District Attorney said to the grand jury.

    But I have seen a videotape of the incident and it reveals probable cause to show that the police officer used grossly excessive force on a non-violent, non-threatening person. It also reveals he cried and screamed for help because by compacting his chest, his breathing was impaired. The police did nothing to save his live; yet they accelerated his death needlessly. On the basis of the tape alone, I have a clean conscience making such an assertion that an indictment was warranted. The job of a properly instructed grand jury is not to assess guilt or innocence, not to decide who was right or wrong, but solely to determine if there is enough evidence to charge a defendant in a given case.

    Garner was selling cigarettes to homeless folks for a dollar. That is the moral equivalent of jay-walking. He should have been sent to another street corner with a warning, rather than arrested for this harmless behavior. We don’t live in a society in which every conceivable criminal charge should be brought against every conceivable defendant. There have been such societies, and we have fought wars against them. Have we won those wars only to become like the governments that we eradicated?


    Andrew P. Napolitano, a former judge of the Superior Court of New Jersey, is the senior judicial analyst at Fox News Channel. He joined FNC in January 1998. Judge Napolitano has written seven books on the U.S. Constitution. The most recent is “Theodore and Woodrow: How Two American Presidents Destroyed Constitutional Freedom.” To find out more about Judge Napolitano and to read features by other Creators Syndicate writers and cartoonists, visit www.creators.com."

    The problem with this type of Faux commentary is that it skirts the real issues that are being debated here. Yes, it's a fact that this was a homicide, and of course we can agree on that much. BUT the reason these rampant killings of black men by white police officers are inciting protests, and in some cases riots, is because racial tensions in the U.S. have led to a system where in nearly every American city, from the north to the south, black people are being treated like second class citizens, by (mainly white) law enforcement, and a staggering number of white people effectively support it by denying that the bias even exists, thus allowing it to continue. The problem won't get fixed very easily if half the country is willfully blind to problem, or worse.

    Until someone at Faux News grows the balls to admit that the crux of the issue is racism, then they're really just wasting time and patting themselves on the back for being semi-human P.O.S.'s.


    It might help if whites were better educated regarding racial matters. It seems that many people, whether black or white, know little about civil rights history. Many whites are unaware of the profiling and other discrimination faced by blacks.

    It is unclear how this lack of education on racial matters can be accomplished. The media will not do it. It would be politically very difficult for schools to do it. Only those of us who have made an effort to study the issues and become informed have a reasonably good understanding.

    Inorite, white people can't help but be naïve to racism, because it's such an obscure problem. If only black people would make their voices heard on the matter, then maybe white people would become aware of this nearly invisible issue.... oh, wait, black people fight against this shit ALL THE TIME and try to educate people on it constantly, but racist whites (which seems to be nearly all of them these days) just have never had the opportunity to be educated on it.icon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gif

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