The Obama Economy(as southbeach calls it)

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    Dec 06, 2014 2:07 AM GMT
    It's a record: The U.S. economy has never before delivered 50 straight months of payrolls growth. (Previous record: 48, ending in mid-1990.)

    "The unemployment rate kept steady at 5.8 percent, its lowest mark since July 2008, according to the report from the U.S. Department of Labor. Some economists said that November’s data — across-the-board job creation, coupled with a slight uptick in wages — has put the American economy in its best position in years. The country has also been buoyed by plummeting global oil prices, which translate to a de facto raise for American consumers, who are now spending far less at the pump. …

    So far this year, the United States has added some 2.65 million jobs — an average of about 241,000 a month.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/12/05/u-s-economy-added-321000-jobs-in-november-unemployment-rate-holds-at-5-8/
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    Dec 06, 2014 2:10 AM GMT
    Hiring Surge Gives U.S. Expansion a Lift Into 2015

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-12-05/payrolls-in-u-s-surge-by-most-since-early-2012-as-wages-pick-up.html
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    Dec 06, 2014 1:09 PM GMT
    Ah, but it's only the 'Obama Economy' when it's something negative. The good stuff is down to the Fed or the world oil price or the dollar or the Chinese (i.e. anything but Obama).
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    Dec 06, 2014 1:27 PM GMT
    I'm perfectly willing to call it "THE SOUTHBEACH ECONOMY"...as we must assume that America's success is owed to her most persistent online character.

    And maybe this economic boom is solely based on the sales of Foreskin Recovery Kits.

    Either way we now have a record of 50 months in a row of economic growth.
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    Dec 06, 2014 2:19 PM GMT
    More liberal grubering as proven by the Labor Force Participation Rate:

    latest_numbers_LNS11300000_2004_2014_all

    http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000
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    Dec 06, 2014 2:23 PM GMT
    mx5guynj saidMore liberal grubering as proven by the Labor Force Participation Rate:

    latest_numbers_LNS11300000_2004_2014_all

    http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000


    Ah yes, this argument, because nothing happened 60 years ago that is now reaching its final phase, like a baby boom. I'll have "Things that occur when a disproportant amount of the labor force reaches retirement age for $1000, Alex."
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    Dec 06, 2014 2:27 PM GMT
    Labor force participation rate decreases when the rate of growth of the population outweighs that of the employed and unemployed together. Until the ability to create jobs is easier than the ability of the uneducated to get pregnant LFPR will continue to decrease lol
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    Dec 06, 2014 4:15 PM GMT
    For purposes of discussion, I won't argue with the facts. But, somebody please lay out exactly what policies Obama implemented to achieve these results. Not world, market, or any other sort of "events;" please give me Obama-directed policies that directly resulted in these figures.
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    Dec 06, 2014 6:03 PM GMT
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    mx5guynj saidMore liberal grubering as proven by the Labor Force Participation Rate:

    latest_numbers_LNS11300000_2004_2014_all

    http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000


    Ah yes, this argument, because nothing happened 60 years ago that is now reaching its final phase, like a baby boom. I'll have "Things that occur when a disproportant amount of the labor force reaches retirement age for $1000, Alex."


    Alex: BUZZZZZZ! Wrong again, Eric.

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/the-three-myths-of-labor-force-participation/article/2542167

    http://www.epi.org/publication/myth-early-retirement/

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2014/01/15/u-s-unemployment-retirees-are-not-the-labor-exodus-problem/
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    Dec 06, 2014 6:48 PM GMT
    the Obama economy is an additional $9 Trillion in debt, a $5 Trillion Fed balance sheet, and drilling for oil and gas like there's no tomorrow - that's about it
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    Dec 06, 2014 9:58 PM GMT
    MGINSD saidFor purposes of discussion, I won't argue with the facts. But, somebody please lay out exactly what policies Obama implemented to achieve these results. Not world, market, or any other sort of "events;" please give me Obama-directed policies that directly resulted in these figures.


    It really doesn't matter does it? What answer you and your ilk get. Let me try to explain it at a level that Michelle Bachman or Louie Gohmert could understand....

    If it's a bad thing = obama and/ or his policies and /or his people are to blame

    If it's a good thing = a question like yours

    Please direct me to just ONE of your innumerable political forum posts where you enrich us w your legal wit that only gives you and possibly a Scrabble enthusiast a semi, and where you also give credit to YOUR black president for something positive.

    C'mon boo, you wouldn't want to be mistaken for an ideologue....would you?
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    Dec 06, 2014 10:01 PM GMT
    Koastal said
    MGINSD saidFor purposes of discussion, I won't argue with the facts. But, somebody please lay out exactly what policies Obama implemented to achieve these results. Not world, market, or any other sort of "events;" please give me Obama-directed policies that directly resulted in these figures.


    It really doesn't matter does it? What answer you and your ilk get. Let me try to explain it at a level that Michelle Bachman or Louie Gohmert could understand....

    If it's a bad thing = obama and/ or his policies and /or his people are to blame

    If it's a good thing = a question like yours

    Please direct me to just ONE of your innumerable political forum posts where you enrich us w your legal wit that only gives you and possibly a Scrabble enthusiast a semi, and where you also give credit to YOUR black president for something positive.

    C'mon boo, you wouldn't want to be mistaken for an ideologue....would you?


    Given all the ways the Obama Administration has worked with large businesses to implement new regulations at the expense of smaller businesses and the massive increases to debt, I have to wonder what positive things you feel he has actually done to improve economic growth beyond spending?
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    Dec 06, 2014 10:20 PM GMT
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    Koastal said
    MGINSD saidFor purposes of discussion, I won't argue with the facts. But, somebody please lay out exactly what policies Obama implemented to achieve these results. Not world, market, or any other sort of "events;" please give me Obama-directed policies that directly resulted in these figures.


    It really doesn't matter does it? What answer you and your ilk get. Let me try to explain it at a level that Michelle Bachman or Louie Gohmert could understand....

    If it's a bad thing = obama and/ or his policies and /or his people are to blame

    If it's a good thing = a question like yours

    Please direct me to just ONE of your innumerable political forum posts where you enrich us w your legal wit that only gives you and possibly a Scrabble enthusiast a semi, and where you also give credit to YOUR black president for something positive.

    C'mon boo, you wouldn't want to be mistaken for an ideologue....would you?


    Given all the ways the Obama Administration has worked with large businesses to implement new regulations at the expense of smaller businesses and the massive increases to debt, I have to wonder what positive things you feel he has actually done to improve economic growth beyond spending?


    Note how he never answers the question I posed, just as others never responded to my same simple question a month or two ago in another, similar thread. Just deflect, deny, and demonize; straight out of Alinsky. And no, you won't find anything positive from me on the Charlatan-in-Chief because I don't believe he's done a single positive thing for this country, before or since he took office. The true scope of his feckless malfeasance will become known once he's out of office. Hurry that day!
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    Dec 06, 2014 11:26 PM GMT
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    riddler78 said
    Koastal said
    MGINSD saidFor purposes of discussion, I won't argue with the facts. But, somebody please lay out exactly what policies Obama implemented to achieve these results. Not world, market, or any other sort of "events;" please give me Obama-directed policies that directly resulted in these figures.


    It really doesn't matter does it? What answer you and your ilk get. Let me try to explain it at a level that Michelle Bachman or Louie Gohmert could understand....

    If it's a bad thing = obama and/ or his policies and /or his people are to blame

    If it's a good thing = a question like yours

    Please direct me to just ONE of your innumerable political forum posts where you enrich us w your legal wit that only gives you and possibly a Scrabble enthusiast a semi, and where you also give credit to YOUR black president for something positive.

    C'mon boo, you wouldn't want to be mistaken for an ideologue....would you?


    Given all the ways the Obama Administration has worked with large businesses to implement new regulations at the expense of smaller businesses and the massive increases to debt, I have to wonder what positive things you feel he has actually done to improve economic growth beyond spending?


    Note how he never answers the question I posed, just as others never responded to my same simple question a month or two ago in another, similar thread. Just deflect, deny, and demonize; straight out of Alinsky. And no, you won't find anything positive from me on the Charlatan-in-Chief because I don't believe he's done a single positive thing for this country, before or since he took office. The true scope of his feckless malfeasance will become known once he's out of office. Hurry that day!


    He nayeth answereth the query, m'Lord!
    I rest my case.
    PS SD guy...., the Anglo Saxon in your WASP is showing.
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    Dec 06, 2014 11:29 PM GMT
    MGINSD saidJust deflect, deny, and demonize


    Or just trot out some more cliched guff from the Rush Limbaugh playbook.
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    Dec 06, 2014 11:55 PM GMT
    MGINSD saidNote how he never answers the question I posed, just as others never responded to my same simple question a month or two ago in another, similar thread. Just deflect, deny, and demonize; straight out of Alinsky. And no, you won't find anything positive from me on the Charlatan-in-Chief because I don't believe he's done a single positive thing for this country, before or since he took office. The true scope of his feckless malfeasance will become known once he's out of office. Hurry that day!


    Yeah I think they're hoping people don't notice the irony / hypocrisy.
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    Dec 07, 2014 12:07 AM GMT
    Koastal said
    MGINSD said
    riddler78 said
    Koastal said
    MGINSD saidFor purposes of discussion, I won't argue with the facts. But, somebody please lay out exactly what policies Obama implemented to achieve these results. Not world, market, or any other sort of "events;" please give me Obama-directed policies that directly resulted in these figures.


    It really doesn't matter does it? What answer you and your ilk get. Let me try to explain it at a level that Michelle Bachman or Louie Gohmert could understand....

    If it's a bad thing = obama and/ or his policies and /or his people are to blame

    If it's a good thing = a question like yours

    [Question:] Please direct me to just ONE of your innumerable political forum posts where you enrich us w your legal wit that only gives you and possibly a Scrabble enthusiast a semi, and where you also give credit to YOUR black president for something positive.

    C'mon boo, you wouldn't want to be mistaken for an ideologue....would you?


    Given all the ways the Obama Administration has worked with large businesses to implement new regulations at the expense of smaller businesses and the massive increases to debt, I have to wonder what positive things you feel he has actually done to improve economic growth beyond spending?


    Note how he never answers the question I posed, just as others never responded to my same simple question a month or two ago in another, similar thread. Just deflect, deny, and demonize; straight out of Alinsky. [Answer:] And no, you won't find anything positive from me on the Charlatan-in-Chief because I don't believe he's done a single positive thing for this country, before or since he took office. The true scope of his feckless malfeasance will become known once he's out of office. Hurry that day!


    He nayeth anwereth the query, m'Lord!
    I rest my case.
    PS SD guy...., the Anglo Saxon in your WASP is showing.


    Since when, ExMil, is ASKing a question out of anyone's book, except a rhetorician's? I've always known that Koastal can't think, but now I'm also obliged to accept that he can't read. I'll attribute his mistaking my religion to his usual speculation, but yes, he got that wrong, too.

    So, how about it: what specific policies has Obama implemented to achieve these results?
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    Dec 07, 2014 12:26 AM GMT
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    mx5guynj saidMore liberal grubering as proven by the Labor Force Participation Rate:

    latest_numbers_LNS11300000_2004_2014_all

    http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000


    Ah yes, this argument, because nothing happened 60 years ago that is now reaching its final phase, like a baby boom. I'll have "Things that occur when a disproportant amount of the labor force reaches retirement age for $1000, Alex."


    Alex: BUZZZZZZ! Wrong again, Eric.

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/the-three-myths-of-labor-force-participation/article/2542167

    http://www.epi.org/publication/myth-early-retirement/

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2014/01/15/u-s-unemployment-retirees-are-not-the-labor-exodus-problem/


    You're adorable.
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    Dec 07, 2014 1:20 AM GMT
    MGINSD said
    Koastal said
    MGINSD said
    riddler78 said
    Koastal said
    MGINSD saidFor purposes of discussion, I won't argue with the facts. But, somebody please lay out exactly what policies Obama implemented to achieve these results. Not world, market, or any other sort of "events;" please give me Obama-directed policies that directly resulted in these figures.


    It really doesn't matter does it? What answer you and your ilk get. Let me try to explain it at a level that Michelle Bachman or Louie Gohmert could understand....

    If it's a bad thing = obama and/ or his policies and /or his people are to blame

    If it's a good thing = a question like yours

    [Question:] Please direct me to just ONE of your innumerable political forum posts where you enrich us w your legal wit that only gives you and possibly a Scrabble enthusiast a semi, and where you also give credit to YOUR black president for something positive.

    C'mon boo, you wouldn't want to be mistaken for an ideologue....would you?


    Given all the ways the Obama Administration has worked with large businesses to implement new regulations at the expense of smaller businesses and the massive increases to debt, I have to wonder what positive things you feel he has actually done to improve economic growth beyond spending?


    Note how he never answers the question I posed, just as others never responded to my same simple question a month or two ago in another, similar thread. Just deflect, deny, and demonize; straight out of Alinsky. [Answer:] And no, you won't find anything positive from me on the Charlatan-in-Chief because I don't believe he's done a single positive thing for this country, before or since he took office. The true scope of his feckless malfeasance will become known once he's out of office. Hurry that day!


    He nayeth anwereth the query, m'Lord!
    I rest my case.
    PS SD guy...., the Anglo Saxon in your WASP is showing.


    Since when, ExMil, is ASKing a question out of anyone's book, except a rhetorician's? I've always known that Koastal can't think, but now I'm also obliged to accept that he can't read. I'll attribute his mistaking my religion to his usual speculation, but yes, he got that wrong, too.

    So, how about it: what specific policies has Obama implemented to achieve these results?


    None. When did I attribute any policy to any economic event? My point exactly. You sir are an ideologue. I find humor in you neo cons but as I'm sure you'll agree, am no great political thinker. But I can however, tell the goods guys from the bad guys and I can spot bullshit pretty quickly. Let's just say that his policies have not served in any way to hamper the recovery from the worst economic disaster any administration has inherited since FDR.
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    Dec 07, 2014 1:49 AM GMT
    Koastal saidNone. When did I attribute any policy to any economic event? My point exactly. You sir are an ideologue. I find humor in you neo cons but as I'm sure you'll agree, am no great political thinker. But I can however, tell the goods guys from the bad guys and I can spot bullshit pretty quickly. Let's just say that his policies have not served in any way to hamper the recovery from the worst economic disaster any administration has inherited since FDR.

    I don't participate a whole lot but mostly observe. Koastal, I have never seen you argue a point or present any facts or logic. You just spout BS. Are you copying text from a site that gives you guys responses without having to challenge yourselves by thinking?
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    Dec 07, 2014 4:23 AM GMT
    ", I have to wonder what positive things you feel he has actually done to improve economic growth beyond spending?"

    Such a good question, riddler.

    Politifact did some checking on Obama's claims to have cut the debt in half from 2009 to 2013.

    Politifact found that Obama's claim was wrong. HE HAD CUT THE DEFICIT BY MORE THAN HALF!

    "Our analysis showed the drop easily topped 50 percent, and was actually somewhat higher than Obama's chart would indicate.

    As a share of the economy, we found -- and our experts confirmed -- the drop was from 9.8 percent in 2009 to 4.1 percent in 2013."



    riddler, socal, MG and southbeach------Why are you making yourselves miserable?


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    Dec 07, 2014 5:29 AM GMT
    Determinate said", I have to wonder what positive things you feel he has actually done to improve economic growth beyond spending?"

    Such a good question, riddler.

    Politifact did some checking on Obama's claims to have cut the debt in half from 2009 to 2013.

    Politifact found that Obama's claim was wrong. HE HAD CUT THE DEFICIT BY MORE THAN HALF!

    "Our analysis showed the drop easily topped 50 percent, and was actually somewhat higher than Obama's chart would indicate.

    As a share of the economy, we found -- and our experts confirmed -- the drop was from 9.8 percent in 2009 to 4.1 percent in 2013."



    riddler, socal, MG and southbeach------Why are you making yourselves miserable?




    I'm curious - do you understand the difference between debt and deficit? If you do, it's not readily apparent in your post.
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    Dec 07, 2014 5:32 AM GMT
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    Koastal saidNone. When did I attribute any policy to any economic event? My point exactly. You sir are an ideologue. I find humor in you neo cons but as I'm sure you'll agree, am no great political thinker. But I can however, tell the goods guys from the bad guys and I can spot bullshit pretty quickly. Let's just say that his policies have not served in any way to hamper the recovery from the worst economic disaster any administration has inherited since FDR.

    I don't participate a whole lot but mostly observe. Koastal, I have never seen you argue a point or present any facts or logic. You just spout BS. Are you copying text from a site that gives you guys responses without having to challenge yourselves by thinking?


    No you're right I'm not much of a participant. As far as the political forums go, I'm more of a drive-by cynic, I believe that until we get the money out of politics, it's simply a matter of which side is more blatantly corrupt. Only please don't categorize those who search/cut/paste or those who never find fault with their preferred political party as 'participants or thinkers' .
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    Dec 07, 2014 5:46 AM GMT
    Koastal saidNo you're right I'm not much of a participant. As far as the political forums go, I'm more of a drive-by cynic, I believe that until we get the money out of politics, it's simply a matter of which side is more blatantly corrupt. Only please don't categorize those who search/cut/paste or those who never find fault with their preferred political party as 'participants or thinkers' .


    That is nonsensical - what does it mean to get money out of politics? Are you thinking to also eliminate the freedom/power of the press?

    The practical approach is the reduce the power of government to be manipulated into developing regulations and laws to the benefit of large corporations and the lobbyists that employ them.

    You can't really say how bad the recession was, and the challenge this Administration had without pointing out that they were instrumental in drafting the response and the stimulus that also resulted in one of the worst and slowest recoveries in history. A recovery the US has still not recovered from - especially when it comes to jobs.
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    Dec 07, 2014 10:29 AM GMT
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    Since when, ExMil, is ASKing a question out of anyone's book, except a rhetorician's?


    Asking a question may not be, but phrases such as "Just deflect, deny, and demonize; straight out of Alinsky." and "Charlatan-in-Chief" are very Limbaugh-esque.

    Most people here have learned that trying to engage in reasoned debate with gay conservatives is a waste of time. Don't be surprised when you're left to answer your own 'questions'.