Transitioning from a Hookup to a Date.

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    Dec 06, 2014 6:12 PM GMT
    I've been hooking up with this guy for several months now. It's been strictly a hookup from the very beginning and in fact, never even knew each other's names until our last meeting. I originally wanted something anonymous because I had just gotten out of a LTR and didn't want any emotional involvement. He always gives me this crazy hour long massage and the sex is mind-blowing. He always likes to cuddle for half an hour or so afterwards and even wants to make-out after he cums. We now know what each other does for a living and recently swapped cell numbers and talk in bed after sex about different topics. He seems like a genuinely nice guy as well as being totally my type. It's to the point where I'd like to actually have a real date with this guy....like dinner and a movie or something and see how we click outside the bedroom. But I feel awkward asking him given this is not how we started out. He's a little on the shy side so he's hard to read. Anyone ever been in this situation? Any suggestions?
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    Dec 06, 2014 6:24 PM GMT
    Hasn't been a problem for me:

    "Hey, you wanna go sailing tomorrow?"
    "Hey, you wanna go skiing tomorrow?"
    "Hey, you wanna go for a bike ride in the Gorge tomorrow?"

    You know, man dates.
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    Scruffypup saidI've been hooking up with this guy for several months now. It's been strictly a hookup from the very beginning and in fact, never even knew each other's names until our last meeting. I originally wanted something anonymous because I had just gotten out of a LTR and didn't want any emotional involvement. He always gives me this crazy hour long massage and the sex is mind-blowing. He always likes to cuddle for half an hour or so afterwards and even wants to make-out after he cums. We now know what each other does for a living and recently swapped cell numbers and talk in bed after sex about different topics. He seems like a genuinely nice guy as well as being totally my type. It's to the point where I'd like to actually have a real date with this guy....like dinner and a movie or something and see how we click outside the bedroom. But I feel awkward asking him given this is not how we started out. He's a little on the shy side so he's hard to read. Anyone ever been in this situation? Any suggestions?

    Maybe he is as cautious as you about getting into any sort of relationship. You're already talking in bed (sounds like this could be an updated Nichols & May routine). So talk some more, learn something about him, and then, instead of asking for a "date" (such a loaded word), ask him if he wants to do whatever - in the daytime. You never know, he might be married with two kids at home - or he might not.
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    Dec 06, 2014 6:26 PM GMT
    mindgarden saidHasn't been a problem for me:

    "Hey, you wanna go sailing tomorrow?"
    "Hey, you wanna go skiing tomorrow?"
    "Hey, you wanna go for a bike ride in the Gorge tomorrow?"

    You know, man dates.



    Yeah, but it just feels WEIRD! I wouldn't have a problem asking him in any other circumstances but he's always been strictly a hookup, so I feel like I'd be breaking some kind of unspoken "Hookup Rules 101", ya know? And no, he's not married or anything. He is on-call a lot for work though.
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    Dec 06, 2014 6:35 PM GMT
    OK:

    "Hey, you wanna go sailing tomorrow? And screw in the captain's cabin?"
    "Hey, you wanna go skiing tomorrow? And screw in the hot tub after?"
    "Hey, you wanna go for a bike ride in the Gorge tomorrow? And screw behind a tree while we're all sweaty?"

    (...You know you're going to, anyway.)
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    Dec 06, 2014 6:39 PM GMT
    mindgarden saidOK:

    "Hey, you wanna go sailing tomorrow? And screw in the captain's cabin?"
    "Hey, you wanna go skiing tomorrow? And screw in the hot tub after?"
    "Hey, you wanna go for a bike ride in the Gorge tomorrow? And screw behind a tree while we're all sweaty?"

    (...You know you're going to, anyway.)



    Interesting idea of mentioning sex at the same time. Although he's a bit shy and although he's great at performing sexually, he doesn't seem to like to talk about sex (neither do I.) So although a good idea, that might not work in this particular situation.
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    Dec 06, 2014 7:00 PM GMT
    icon_redface.gif That reminds me... I have to go back to the marina and bring the bedding home for a wash. icon_wink.gif

    Anyhow, the thing with Man Dates is that it's plausibly deniable that they're even a "date" in the first place. It's just Man Stuff.
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    Dec 06, 2014 9:39 PM GMT
    Tread with caution, I had a fuck bud once (Matt), it turned horrible when I told him I started developing 'feelings' for him after a few times, he accused me of being a co-dependent person when that is very far from the truth, I have been extremely independent my entire life, if anything, this independency gets in the way of a close relationship.

    Approach him this way:

    Ask him, how would he feel if the two of you became more than just sex buddies. If he answers with, or even hints that he doesn't want that. Then leave it alone and just enjoy each other. The 'problem' will arise if one of you gets the 'love' bug and the other isn't interested.

    I have often wondered, if the sex and attraction is great, which we know gay men base each other on in the beginning, then why do some gay men get turned off when more than just sex and attraction are presented. Maybe having real feelings for the guy you are having sex with is too much for some, it becomes to "women like", because women associate sex with love, men can supposedly turn off the feelings of love and just enjoy the sex

    Good luck, but don't get hurt in the process

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    Dec 06, 2014 9:44 PM GMT
    scruffLA saidTread with caution, I had a fuck bud once (Matt), it turned horrible when I told him I started developing 'feelings' for him after a few times, he accused me of being a co-dependent person when that is very far from the truth, I have been extremely independent my entire life, if anything, this independency gets in the way of a close relationship.

    Approach him this way:

    Ask him, how would he feel if the two of you became more than just sex buddies. If he answers with, or even hints that he doesn't want that. Then leave it alone and just enjoy each other. The 'problem' will arise if one of you gets the 'love' bug and the other isn't interested.

    I have often wondered, if the sex and attraction is great, which we know gay men base each other on in the beginning, then why do some gay men get turned off when more than just sex and attraction are presented. Maybe having real feelings for the guy you are having sex with is too much for some, it becomes to "women like", because women associate sex with love, men can supposedly turn off the feelings of love and just enjoy the sex

    Good luck, but don't get hurt in the process




    Yeah, I think a lot of men have intimacy issues that keeps them from getting too close. I'm definitely not in love with him. I don't know him well enough for that, so not worried about getting hurt. I'm just beginning to realize he's too cool a guy to not at least explore further.
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    Dec 06, 2014 9:59 PM GMT
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    scruffLA saidTread with caution, I had a fuck bud once (Matt), it turned horrible when I told him I started developing 'feelings' for him after a few times, he accused me of being a co-dependent person when that is very far from the truth, I have been extremely independent my entire life, if anything, this independency gets in the way of a close relationship.

    Approach him this way:

    Ask him, how would he feel if the two of you became more than just sex buddies. If he answers with, or even hints that he doesn't want that. Then leave it alone and just enjoy each other. The 'problem' will arise if one of you gets the 'love' bug and the other isn't interested.

    I have often wondered, if the sex and attraction is great, which we know gay men base each other on in the beginning, then why do some gay men get turned off when more than just sex and attraction are presented. Maybe having real feelings for the guy you are having sex with is too much for some, it becomes to "women like", because women associate sex with love, men can supposedly turn off the feelings of love and just enjoy the sex

    Good luck, but don't get hurt in the process




    Yeah, I think a lot of men have intimacy issues that keeps them from getting too close. I'm definitely not in love with him. I don't know him well enough for that, so not worried about getting hurt. I'm just beginning to realize he's too cool a guy to not at least explore further.


    Well, you might have to wait then, feelings of love have to be mutual to avoid either party getting hurt. If you do approach him with the dating-getting closer subject, you will have to be clear that you are not in love with him.

    Maybe he has secret feelings for you, now, but he knows you don't have the same for him so he is unwilling to bring it up because he will be the one who gets hurt.

    Given this, I wouldn't say anything to him about you wanting to try dating, it may send mixed signals, you are not interested in love, but you want to date? I would be confused as well. Let him bring it up, if ever, until then just enjoy the sex with your bud.
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    Dec 06, 2014 10:07 PM GMT
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    scruffLA saidTread with caution, I had a fuck bud once (Matt), it turned horrible when I told him I started developing 'feelings' for him after a few times, he accused me of being a co-dependent person when that is very far from the truth, I have been extremely independent my entire life, if anything, this independency gets in the way of a close relationship.

    Approach him this way:

    Ask him, how would he feel if the two of you became more than just sex buddies. If he answers with, or even hints that he doesn't want that. Then leave it alone and just enjoy each other. The 'problem' will arise if one of you gets the 'love' bug and the other isn't interested.

    I have often wondered, if the sex and attraction is great, which we know gay men base each other on in the beginning, then why do some gay men get turned off when more than just sex and attraction are presented. Maybe having real feelings for the guy you are having sex with is too much for some, it becomes to "women like", because women associate sex with love, men can supposedly turn off the feelings of love and just enjoy the sex

    Good luck, but don't get hurt in the process




    Yeah, I think a lot of men have intimacy issues that keeps them from getting too close. I'm definitely not in love with him. I don't know him well enough for that, so not worried about getting hurt. I'm just beginning to realize he's too cool a guy to not at least explore further.


    So explore, already. Spending time with someone outside of bed does not mean you're in love. Maybe friendship is the next stage. E.g., FWB.
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    Dec 06, 2014 10:08 PM GMT
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    Scruffypup said
    scruffLA saidTread with caution, I had a fuck bud once (Matt), it turned horrible when I told him I started developing 'feelings' for him after a few times, he accused me of being a co-dependent person when that is very far from the truth, I have been extremely independent my entire life, if anything, this independency gets in the way of a close relationship.

    Approach him this way:

    Ask him, how would he feel if the two of you became more than just sex buddies. If he answers with, or even hints that he doesn't want that. Then leave it alone and just enjoy each other. The 'problem' will arise if one of you gets the 'love' bug and the other isn't interested.

    I have often wondered, if the sex and attraction is great, which we know gay men base each other on in the beginning, then why do some gay men get turned off when more than just sex and attraction are presented. Maybe having real feelings for the guy you are having sex with is too much for some, it becomes to "women like", because women associate sex with love, men can supposedly turn off the feelings of love and just enjoy the sex

    Good luck, but don't get hurt in the process




    Yeah, I think a lot of men have intimacy issues that keeps them from getting too close. I'm definitely not in love with him. I don't know him well enough for that, so not worried about getting hurt. I'm just beginning to realize he's too cool a guy to not at least explore further.


    Well, you might have to wait then, feelings of love have to be mutual to avoid either party getting hurt. If you do approach him with the dating-getting closer subject, you will have to be clear that you are not in love with him.

    Maybe he has secret feelings for you, now, but he knows you don't have the same for him so he is unwilling to bring it up because he will be the one who gets hurt.

    Given this, I wouldn't say anything to him about you wanting to try dating, it may send mixed signals, you are not interested in love, but you want to date? I would be confused as well. Let him bring it up, if ever, until then just enjoy the sex with your bud.



    No, I never said I wasn't interested in love. I said I don't know him well enough yet to have those feelings. I don't fall in love overnight. But I am ready to see where things could go. And I would never use the word "date" as that would be a bit much. Sometimes that word can scare people.
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    Dec 06, 2014 10:11 PM GMT
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    scruffLA said
    Scruffypup said
    scruffLA saidTread with caution, I had a fuck bud once (Matt), it turned horrible when I told him I started developing 'feelings' for him after a few times, he accused me of being a co-dependent person when that is very far from the truth, I have been extremely independent my entire life, if anything, this independency gets in the way of a close relationship.

    Approach him this way:

    Ask him, how would he feel if the two of you became more than just sex buddies. If he answers with, or even hints that he doesn't want that. Then leave it alone and just enjoy each other. The 'problem' will arise if one of you gets the 'love' bug and the other isn't interested.

    I have often wondered, if the sex and attraction is great, which we know gay men base each other on in the beginning, then why do some gay men get turned off when more than just sex and attraction are presented. Maybe having real feelings for the guy you are having sex with is too much for some, it becomes to "women like", because women associate sex with love, men can supposedly turn off the feelings of love and just enjoy the sex

    Good luck, but don't get hurt in the process




    Yeah, I think a lot of men have intimacy issues that keeps them from getting too close. I'm definitely not in love with him. I don't know him well enough for that, so not worried about getting hurt. I'm just beginning to realize he's too cool a guy to not at least explore further.


    Well, you might have to wait then, feelings of love have to be mutual to avoid either party getting hurt. If you do approach him with the dating-getting closer subject, you will have to be clear that you are not in love with him.

    Maybe he has secret feelings for you, now, but he knows you don't have the same for him so he is unwilling to bring it up because he will be the one who gets hurt.

    Given this, I wouldn't say anything to him about you wanting to try dating, it may send mixed signals, you are not interested in love, but you want to date? I would be confused as well. Let him bring it up, if ever, until then just enjoy the sex with your bud.



    No, I never said I wasn't interested in love. I said I don't know him well enough yet to have those feelings. I don't fall in love overnight. But I am ready to see where things could go. And I would never use the word "date" as that would be a bit much. Sometimes that word can scare people.


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    Dec 06, 2014 10:13 PM GMT
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    Scruffypup said
    scruffLA said
    Scruffypup said
    scruffLA saidTread with caution, I had a fuck bud once (Matt), it turned horrible when I told him I started developing 'feelings' for him after a few times, he accused me of being a co-dependent person when that is very far from the truth, I have been extremely independent my entire life, if anything, this independency gets in the way of a close relationship.

    Approach him this way:

    Ask him, how would he feel if the two of you became more than just sex buddies. If he answers with, or even hints that he doesn't want that. Then leave it alone and just enjoy each other. The 'problem' will arise if one of you gets the 'love' bug and the other isn't interested.

    I have often wondered, if the sex and attraction is great, which we know gay men base each other on in the beginning, then why do some gay men get turned off when more than just sex and attraction are presented. Maybe having real feelings for the guy you are having sex with is too much for some, it becomes to "women like", because women associate sex with love, men can supposedly turn off the feelings of love and just enjoy the sex

    Good luck, but don't get hurt in the process




    Yeah, I think a lot of men have intimacy issues that keeps them from getting too close. I'm definitely not in love with him. I don't know him well enough for that, so not worried about getting hurt. I'm just beginning to realize he's too cool a guy to not at least explore further.


    Well, you might have to wait then, feelings of love have to be mutual to avoid either party getting hurt. If you do approach him with the dating-getting closer subject, you will have to be clear that you are not in love with him.

    Maybe he has secret feelings for you, now, but he knows you don't have the same for him so he is unwilling to bring it up because he will be the one who gets hurt.

    Given this, I wouldn't say anything to him about you wanting to try dating, it may send mixed signals, you are not interested in love, but you want to date? I would be confused as well. Let him bring it up, if ever, until then just enjoy the sex with your bud.



    No, I never said I wasn't interested in love. I said I don't know him well enough yet to have those feelings. I don't fall in love overnight. But I am ready to see where things could go. And I would never use the word "date" as that would be a bit much. Sometimes that word can scare people.


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    LOL. I don't see how that relates to my situation but okay.
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    Dec 06, 2014 10:25 PM GMT
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    Scruffypup said
    scruffLA said
    Scruffypup said
    scruffLA saidTread with caution, I had a fuck bud once (Matt), it turned horrible when I told him I started developing 'feelings' for him after a few times, he accused me of being a co-dependent person when that is very far from the truth, I have been extremely independent my entire life, if anything, this independency gets in the way of a close relationship.

    Approach him this way:

    Ask him, how would he feel if the two of you became more than just sex buddies. If he answers with, or even hints that he doesn't want that. Then leave it alone and just enjoy each other. The 'problem' will arise if one of you gets the 'love' bug and the other isn't interested.

    I have often wondered, if the sex and attraction is great, which we know gay men base each other on in the beginning, then why do some gay men get turned off when more than just sex and attraction are presented. Maybe having real feelings for the guy you are having sex with is too much for some, it becomes to "women like", because women associate sex with love, men can supposedly turn off the feelings of love and just enjoy the sex

    Good luck, but don't get hurt in the process




    Yeah, I think a lot of men have intimacy issues that keeps them from getting too close. I'm definitely not in love with him. I don't know him well enough for that, so not worried about getting hurt. I'm just beginning to realize he's too cool a guy to not at least explore further.


    Well, you might have to wait then, feelings of love have to be mutual to avoid either party getting hurt. If you do approach him with the dating-getting closer subject, you will have to be clear that you are not in love with him.

    Maybe he has secret feelings for you, now, but he knows you don't have the same for him so he is unwilling to bring it up because he will be the one who gets hurt.

    Given this, I wouldn't say anything to him about you wanting to try dating, it may send mixed signals, you are not interested in love, but you want to date? I would be confused as well. Let him bring it up, if ever, until then just enjoy the sex with your bud.



    No, I never said I wasn't interested in love. I said I don't know him well enough yet to have those feelings. I don't fall in love overnight. But I am ready to see where things could go. And I would never use the word "date" as that would be a bit much. Sometimes that word can scare people.


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    LOL. I don't see how that relates to my situation but okay.



    Transitioning from a Hookup to a Date, you used the word date as your thread topic. We now know your feelings, what you want and what you don't, you need to find out what your bud feels, what he wants and what he doesn't. Maybe he is the love at first sight type. Maybe he doesn't want to date, explore or get closer either. If you two don't start talking, neither of you will find out what each other wants. It could end or it could go to the next level.

    Appears at this point, you both maybe afraid of talking about it because you don't want to ruin the great hook up sex you are having
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    Dec 06, 2014 10:26 PM GMT
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    scruffLA said
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    scruffLA saidTread with caution, I had a fuck bud once (Matt), it turned horrible when I told him I started developing 'feelings' for him after a few times, he accused me of being a co-dependent person when that is very far from the truth, I have been extremely independent my entire life, if anything, this independency gets in the way of a close relationship.

    Approach him this way:

    Ask him, how would he feel if the two of you became more than just sex buddies. If he answers with, or even hints that he doesn't want that. Then leave it alone and just enjoy each other. The 'problem' will arise if one of you gets the 'love' bug and the other isn't interested.

    I have often wondered, if the sex and attraction is great, which we know gay men base each other on in the beginning, then why do some gay men get turned off when more than just sex and attraction are presented. Maybe having real feelings for the guy you are having sex with is too much for some, it becomes to "women like", because women associate sex with love, men can supposedly turn off the feelings of love and just enjoy the sex

    Good luck, but don't get hurt in the process




    Yeah, I think a lot of men have intimacy issues that keeps them from getting too close. I'm definitely not in love with him. I don't know him well enough for that, so not worried about getting hurt. I'm just beginning to realize he's too cool a guy to not at least explore further.


    Well, you might have to wait then, feelings of love have to be mutual to avoid either party getting hurt. If you do approach him with the dating-getting closer subject, you will have to be clear that you are not in love with him.

    Maybe he has secret feelings for you, now, but he knows you don't have the same for him so he is unwilling to bring it up because he will be the one who gets hurt.

    Given this, I wouldn't say anything to him about you wanting to try dating, it may send mixed signals, you are not interested in love, but you want to date? I would be confused as well. Let him bring it up, if ever, until then just enjoy the sex with your bud.



    No, I never said I wasn't interested in love. I said I don't know him well enough yet to have those feelings. I don't fall in love overnight. But I am ready to see where things could go. And I would never use the word "date" as that would be a bit much. Sometimes that word can scare people.


    Its happened to me and got me into trouble icon_razz.gif

    Love at first sight
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    LOL. I don't see how that relates to my situation but okay.


    May not relate, but I was bowled over by the post in that thread from someone who met his true love when he "walked into a pub on the Isle of Lewis in Scotland." Maybe that should be a vacation destination for all the 20-somethings on RJ who can never meet anyone.
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    Dec 06, 2014 10:36 PM GMT
    scruffLA said
    Scruffypup said
    scruffLA said
    Scruffypup said
    scruffLA said
    Scruffypup said
    scruffLA saidTread with caution, I had a fuck bud once (Matt), it turned horrible when I told him I started developing 'feelings' for him after a few times, he accused me of being a co-dependent person when that is very far from the truth, I have been extremely independent my entire life, if anything, this independency gets in the way of a close relationship.

    Approach him this way:

    Ask him, how would he feel if the two of you became more than just sex buddies. If he answers with, or even hints that he doesn't want that. Then leave it alone and just enjoy each other. The 'problem' will arise if one of you gets the 'love' bug and the other isn't interested.

    I have often wondered, if the sex and attraction is great, which we know gay men base each other on in the beginning, then why do some gay men get turned off when more than just sex and attraction are presented. Maybe having real feelings for the guy you are having sex with is too much for some, it becomes to "women like", because women associate sex with love, men can supposedly turn off the feelings of love and just enjoy the sex

    Good luck, but don't get hurt in the process




    Yeah, I think a lot of men have intimacy issues that keeps them from getting too close. I'm definitely not in love with him. I don't know him well enough for that, so not worried about getting hurt. I'm just beginning to realize he's too cool a guy to not at least explore further.


    Well, you might have to wait then, feelings of love have to be mutual to avoid either party getting hurt. If you do approach him with the dating-getting closer subject, you will have to be clear that you are not in love with him.

    Maybe he has secret feelings for you, now, but he knows you don't have the same for him so he is unwilling to bring it up because he will be the one who gets hurt.

    Given this, I wouldn't say anything to him about you wanting to try dating, it may send mixed signals, you are not interested in love, but you want to date? I would be confused as well. Let him bring it up, if ever, until then just enjoy the sex with your bud.



    No, I never said I wasn't interested in love. I said I don't know him well enough yet to have those feelings. I don't fall in love overnight. But I am ready to see where things could go. And I would never use the word "date" as that would be a bit much. Sometimes that word can scare people.


    Its happened to me and got me into trouble icon_razz.gif

    Love at first sight
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    LOL. I don't see how that relates to my situation but okay.



    Transitioning from a Hookup to a Date, you used the word date as your thread topic. We now know your feelings, what you want and what you don't, you need to find out what your bud feels, what he wants and what he doesn't. Maybe he is the love at first sight type. Maybe he doesn't want to date, explore or get closer either. If you two don't start talking, neither of you will find out what each other wants. It could end or it could go to the next level.

    Appears at this point, you both maybe afraid of talking about it because you don't want to ruin the great hook up sex you are having



    Yeah, that's it exactly. So I know I need to say something but I just can't think of how to say it. Every time I go over what I might say to him in my head, it makes me feel uncomfortable. icon_neutral.gif
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    Dec 07, 2014 12:14 AM GMT
    I hope this works out for you and you actually do start dating the guy. or at least hanging out with him on a regular non-sex basis. since you already know you're both sexually compatible with each other, why not go for something more? you may find out you have a lot in common.

    if it all falls apart and he runs away screaming, then what you have really lost? you can get plenty more sex out there....often times you can't get plenty more date-able material.

    just do whatever feels right man and roll with it.

    and if nothing feels right (you said it was making you uncomfortable), then take a leap of faith on yourself, step out of your comfort zone, and push forward.
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    Dec 07, 2014 6:01 AM GMT
    just ask him casually, he will be a bit shocked at first: worst case scenario he tells you he only wants you for the sex: best case he's totally into that. Forget about unspoken rules and just ask, maybe he's thinking the same as you.

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    Dec 07, 2014 6:37 AM GMT
    my theory is if there is anything more there than just a simple fuck bud, then it will unfold naturally. At our age, I'm not big on having to work too hard for a 'relationship'. If it is there, it will happen. Of course you will need to simply be open and honest with him… to some degree… LOL
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    Dec 07, 2014 7:40 PM GMT
    to the OP; stop posting on RJ, go on a date.
    dont over think it. Go for the kill if your going to do it
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    Dec 08, 2014 2:16 AM GMT
    pellaz saidto the OP; stop posting on RJ, go on a date.
    dont over think it. Go for the kill if your going to do it



    But posting on RJ is soooo much safer. icon_redface.gif
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    Dec 08, 2014 5:58 AM GMT
    Story of my life.
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    Dec 08, 2014 8:00 AM GMT
    I don't think it works that way. You're supposed to date first then have sex after 3-4 dates in order to have something lasting. I know there are exceptions but very few. I hate to break it to you. You two might not pass at FB phase, a date with him might feel awkward since you're already done the deeds. Most guys don't really want to try or put in the effort. After they conquered their conquest, some move on. But hey, you might be the special exception to the rule. icon_evil.gif
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    Dec 08, 2014 8:06 AM GMT
    jmusmc85 saidStory of my life.

    It will change after you hit 30.