Matt Comer writes: "The greatest of hypocrisies: Gays condemn black riots over racism, forget our movement started with one"

  • bobbobbob

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    Dec 07, 2014 11:02 PM GMT
    Basically he's trying to convince us that we are hypocrites for not supporting all the riots, arson and looting in Ferguson on the basis that we gays commemorate the Stonewall riots every years with gay pride celebrations.

    There's a big problem with his rationale. The Stonewall Riots were the direct response to a specific act of oppression by the police.

    The Stonewall Riots did not start about anything close to a guy who stole dope smoking materials from a c-store, assaulted an employee, called a policeman a pussy, then hit the policeman twice and struggled to take the policeman's gun.

    Calling us hypocrites for not giving our unquestioning support to the riots and continuing protest efforts about the death of Michael Brown is pretty cheeky and arrogant. It's more rational for all of us to converge on Matt Comer's hometown of Winston-Salem SC and trash his house for writing such an article and accusing us of being hypocrites.

    http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2014/12/the-greatest-of-hypocrisies-gays-condemn-black-riots-over-racism-forget-our-movement-started-with-one/

    Here's a link to his website if you want to leave him a note.
    http://www.mattcomer.net/705/the-greatest-of-hypocrisies-gays-condemn-black-riots-over-racism-forget-our-movement-started-with-one/comment-page-1/#comment-1573
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    Dec 07, 2014 11:13 PM GMT
    Rioting doesn't gain any sympathy. It has the complete opposite effect. Especially if race is a factor.
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    Dec 09, 2014 4:04 PM GMT
    Good posts - and points! - both.

    Here's HRC's post-GJ statement purporting to speak for "the gay community:"

    Michael Brown’s family and the American people deserve to have this case fully adjudicated in a public trial. Today’s deeply disappointing decision by the grand jury denies them that opportunity. Until we as a nation make a meaningful commitment to ending police profiling—and to fully prosecuting individual cases of brutality—the kind of violence that ended Michael Brown’s life will only continue. As advocates for equality, it’s our job to show solidarity with a growing national movement to break this cycle of police violence. While we cannot begin to imagine the pain that the Brown family is facing at this moment, we send our thoughts, prayers and condolences to them during this heartbreaking and difficult time. We also stand in solidarity with the family's encouragement of peaceful protests and reflection following this decision.

    As far as I know HRC didn't choose to address the subsequent riots and arson incited by MB's stepfather, but perhaps that's because it was too busy quashing the story about one of its founders' arrest on charges of sex w/ a minor:

    http://www.oregonlive.com/mapes/index.ssf/2014/12/terry_bean_sex_charges_should.html

    How many of you have even heard of Bean's comeuppance?
  • LutheranGuy

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    Dec 09, 2014 7:39 PM GMT
    there will always be hypocrisy.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Dec 09, 2014 7:44 PM GMT
    bobbobbob saidBasically he's trying to convince us that we are hypocrites for not supporting all the riots, arson and looting in Ferguson on the basis that we gays commemorate the Stonewall riots every years with gay pride celebrations.

    There's a big problem with his rationale. The Stonewall Riots were the direct response to a specific act of oppression by the police.

    The Stonewall Riots did not start about anything close to a guy who stole dope smoking materials from a c-store, assaulted an employee, called a policeman a pussy, then hit the policeman twice and struggled to take the policeman's gun.

    Calling us hypocrites for not giving our unquestioning support to the riots and continuing protest efforts about the death of Michael Brown is pretty cheeky and arrogant. It's more rational for all of us to converge on Matt Comer's hometown of Winston-Salem SC and trash his house for writing such an article and accusing us of being hypocrites.

    http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2014/12/the-greatest-of-hypocrisies-gays-condemn-black-riots-over-racism-forget-our-movement-started-with-one/

    Here's a link to his website if you want to leave him a note.
    http://www.mattcomer.net/705/the-greatest-of-hypocrisies-gays-condemn-black-riots-over-racism-forget-our-movement-started-with-one/comment-page-1/#comment-1573
    This is probably due to the fact that the American GLBT population is much more moderate and conservative than most of the lunatic leftists want to admit. Most gay men know right from wrong and they did what the overwhelming majority of American society did they condemned these riots and all the looting. Get the pictureicon_question.gif
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    Dec 09, 2014 8:26 PM GMT
    LutheranGuy saidthere will always be hypocrisy.


    YES!
  • HottJoe

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    Dec 09, 2014 8:45 PM GMT
    A lot of white gay men feel inferior as it is about their sexuality and so they look for anything to feel superior about. The trouble is white people are in a cult (culture) and it all takes is one evil leader to take the sheep down the wrong path. The same cult has lead us down this heinous path in history. Why won't they learn that we're to respect our neighbors, and not drown out their complaints with our own voices??? Why the fuck won't white gay men learn that their civil rights were won in part because straight people have supported them, and do the same for other people who are fighting for their right to live without fear of their human rights being violated?

    I may be a white gay man, but I am NOT on the side of white gay men who are going to stand against racial equality. If white gay men do this they will will lose and end on the wrong side of history, and I will not let losers drag me down with them. No justice no peace. Black lives matter.
  • davidchill45

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    Dec 10, 2014 2:29 AM GMT
    I don't align myself, nor submit to automatic solidarity, to race pimps, entitlement practitioners, and hood rats simply because I'm gay.

    The whole "hands up, don't shoot" mantra makes me want to puke.
  • LongJumper

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    Dec 10, 2014 3:00 AM GMT
    Gay white men are actually disgustingly hypocritical. Everyday I receive dozens of messages from white boys begging to suck my black **** but they're actually incredibly prejudiced. This thread is proof. The fact that white gays refuse to stand in solidarity with black people shows that they value their race more than any type of justice for minority populations. However, the same gays will be the FIRST ones to compare the LGBT movement to the Civil Rights Movement and then have the nerve to get upset when black people say its not the same. Its no where close. You say Stonewall was in retaliation to a specific act of oppression by the police, but fail to realize the nationwide marches, protests, and unfortunate riots are in retaliation to centuries of oppression and violence by the police against black bodies.
  • LongJumper

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    Dec 10, 2014 3:01 AM GMT
    davidchill45 saidI don't align myself, nor submit to automatic solidarity, to race pimps, entitlement practitioners, and hood rats simply because I'm gay.

    The whole "hands up, don't shoot" mantra makes me want to puke.


    Your chewed up, deflated body makes me want to puke. Your point?
  • HottJoe

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    Dec 10, 2014 3:06 AM GMT
    LongJumper saidGay white men are actually disgustingly hypocritical. Everyday I receive dozens of messages from white boys begging to suck my black **** but they're actually incredibly prejudiced. This thread is proof. The fact that white gays refuse to stand in solidarity with black people shows that they value their race more than any type of justice for minority populations. However, the same gays will be the FIRST ones to compare the LGBT movement to the Civil Rights Movement and then have the nerve to get upset when black people say its not the same. Its no where close.

    +1 it's unthinkable that the gay community is like this. It's a disgrace to everything gay men stand for when they demand their own voices get heard.

    The symbol of the gay community used to be the rainbow flag. It's so sad that all that potential is being thrown away by people with no fucks to give.
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    Dec 10, 2014 9:16 AM GMT
    LongJumper saidGay white men are actually disgustingly hypocritical. Everyday I receive dozens of messages from white boys begging to suck my black **** but they're actually incredibly prejudiced. This thread is proof. The fact that white gays refuse to stand in solidarity with black people shows that they value their race more than any type of justice for minority populations. However, the same gays will be the FIRST ones to compare the LGBT movement to the Civil Rights Movement and then have the nerve to get upset when black people say its not the same. Its no where close. You say Stonewall was in retaliation to a specific act of oppression by the police, but fail to realize the nationwide marches, protests, and unfortunate riots are in retaliation to centuries of oppression and violence by the police against black bodies.



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    Dec 10, 2014 3:01 PM GMT
    Rioting won't bring about justice.
    VOTING WILL.

    The rage behind these riots is justified but burning stores and cars is a waste of that rage.

    Take your anger to City Hall.

    Decent citizens, White and Black, must demand our mayors control the cops.

    Simple Demand: Our cops don't get a free pass to murder.
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    Dec 10, 2014 3:22 PM GMT
    terror lurks everywhere but since 911 there has been a change in the local cops. Time to demilitarize the local police.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Dec 13, 2014 3:59 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidA lot of white gay men feel inferior as it is about their sexuality and so they look for anything to feel superior about. The trouble is white people are in a cult (culture) and it all takes is one evil leader to take the sheep down the wrong path. The same cult has lead us down this heinous path in history. Why won't they learn that we're to respect our neighbors, and not drown out their complaints with our own voices??? Why the fuck won't white gay men learn that their civil rights were won in part because straight people have supported them, and do the same for other people who are fighting for their right to live without fear of their human rights being violated?

    I may be a white gay man, but I am NOT on the side of white gay men who are going to stand against racial equality. If white gay men do this they will will lose and end on the wrong side of history, and I will not let losers drag me down with them. No justice no peace. Black lives matter.
    More nonsensical hyperbole from MinneapolisMotorMouth and his endless playing the race card. You are such a radical idiot. Will you please for once stop talking out of your ass.
  • HottJoe

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    Dec 13, 2014 4:49 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    HottJoe saidA lot of white gay men feel inferior as it is about their sexuality and so they look for anything to feel superior about. The trouble is white people are in a cult (culture) and it all takes is one evil leader to take the sheep down the wrong path. The same cult has lead us down this heinous path in history. Why won't they learn that we're to respect our neighbors, and not drown out their complaints with our own voices??? Why the fuck won't white gay men learn that their civil rights were won in part because straight people have supported them, and do the same for other people who are fighting for their right to live without fear of their human rights being violated?

    I may be a white gay man, but I am NOT on the side of white gay men who are going to stand against racial equality. If white gay men do this they will will lose and end on the wrong side of history, and I will not let losers drag me down with them. No justice no peace. Black lives matter.
    More nonsensical hyperbole from MinneapolisMotorMouth and his endless playing the race card. You are such a radical idiot. Will you please for once stop talking out of your ass.

    I'd rather talk out of my ass than listen to your face.icon_rolleyes.gif
  • roadbikeRob

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    Dec 13, 2014 4:54 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    roadbikeRob said
    HottJoe saidA lot of white gay men feel inferior as it is about their sexuality and so they look for anything to feel superior about. The trouble is white people are in a cult (culture) and it all takes is one evil leader to take the sheep down the wrong path. The same cult has lead us down this heinous path in history. Why won't they learn that we're to respect our neighbors, and not drown out their complaints with our own voices??? Why the fuck won't white gay men learn that their civil rights were won in part because straight people have supported them, and do the same for other people who are fighting for their right to live without fear of their human rights being violated?

    I may be a white gay man, but I am NOT on the side of white gay men who are going to stand against racial equality. If white gay men do this they will will lose and end on the wrong side of history, and I will not let losers drag me down with them. No justice no peace. Black lives matter.
    More nonsensical hyperbole from MinneapolisMotorMouth and his endless playing the race card. You are such a radical idiot. Will you please for once stop talking out of your ass.

    I'd rather talk out of my ass than listen to your face.icon_rolleyes.gif
    In another words, you would much rather show your ignorance by endlessly blabbing the same old, nonsensical gibberish. That is about your speed Joe.
  • bobbobbob

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    Dec 16, 2014 12:55 AM GMT
    I'd like to say there was something surprising about the comments on this thread but can't. It's what I call "Deja Feces" -- "I've seen this shit before."

    One side of the people commenting seem to based their comments in reason and facts without having to resort to attacks, subjective theories and wide stereotyping generalizations about people based on their race, gender or political affiliations.

    Not one of the other commenters made an attempt to dispute any facts presented here. Rather than base their comments in reason or facts they allowed their emotions to lead them in attacks, subjective theories and wide stereotyping generalizations (profiling) about people based on their race, gender or political affiliations.

    It makes sense that they would do this because they have no reason or facts to back up their opinions. They must depend on attacking, stereotyping and baseless theories (profiling) in order to defend their opinions and beliefs based on the lack of reason and facts.

    It's a sign of intellectual bankruptcy. We all have seen how often christian fundamentalists desperately resort to attacks wild baseless theories and profiling in order to justify their myopic opinions. In his article Matt Comer exhibited his intellectual bankruptcy by resorting to attacks wild baseless theories and profiling based not only on race but and sexual orientation in order to push his myopic political agenda.

    HotJoe said
    "A lot of white gay men feel... The trouble is white people are...... The same cult (of white people) has... Why won't (white people) learn..... Why the fuck won't white gay men learn.... I may be a white gay man, but I am NOT on the side of white gay men.... If white gay men do this they will will lose and end on the wrong side of history....


    LongJumper said
    Gay white men are actually disgustingly hypocritical. ....I receive dozens of messages from white boys begging to suck my black **** but they're actually incredibly prejudiced. This thread is proof. The fact that white gays refuse to stand in solidarity with black people shows that they value their race more than any type of justice for minority populations. However, the same (white) gays will be the FIRST ..."

    It appears the old philosophers were right. Everything when taken to excesses and extremes turns into its opposite. People against racism, stereotyping and profiling based on race, sexual orientation, gender etc have morphed into the most recalcitrant practitioners of the very things they try to tell us they are against and accuse others of!!!!!!!!!!!!


    I will support causes that are based on reason and facts. That means I support the majority of people in the US, and the majority of LGBT -- who will NEVER support any lie filled idea that social justice can be achieved through burning towns and chanting for the death of cops over a guy who stole dope smoking materials from a c-store, assaulted an employee, called a policeman a pussy, then hit the policeman twice and struggled to take the policeman's gun then got shot for being one big stupid ass hole. No racial issue there.


  • HottJoe

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    Dec 16, 2014 1:25 AM GMT
    I've seen you vilify people who are homophobic. I'm vilifying racism. You're making demons out of dead boys and men, and I'm on the side that says something has to be done about racial profiling in this country.

    Race and culture are prickly little constructs. They are as ingrained in us as religion, and just as likely if not more certainly to be false. Racism robs people from the chance to be individuals. Race and culture and silence in the midst of the inertia is always looming over us and dividing us, but it's all in our heads. We're just a species on this small dear rock. It's not like these things we kill each for and die over will stick around after we're gone. As a species that might not last forever, culture, race and religion will die with us, as will money, and all that will be left is the stagnant pollution.

    So, here's an idea: let's not all kill each other and have everyone stand for humanity as one. We're all equal. And we're all so pretty when we're kind.

    I'm trying to build bridges. Don't try to hold me back. It's not working. Globalization is happening. Everyone knows everyone on the internet. Maybe everyone is wrong about something, but I think I'm right about the bridge.
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    Dec 16, 2014 2:44 AM GMT
    It's human nature for people to have confirmation bias. Even if two people do the same action, a man will find a way to justify why his actions were acceptable and the other guys wasn't. So yes there is some hypocrisy but that's not shocking. It's just what it is.

    I'm not sure how many people posting are in the criminal justice career like I am but many of us could say that the cases that make the court room are all a game of chess. "Facts" are skewed, omitted, discredited, etc all in favor to try to persuade the jury or judge for the desired result. It's not really about right vs wrong but which side is more persuasive.

    http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/11/30/3597641/this-prosecutor-mistake-skewed-the-law-in-darren-wilsons-favor/


    There is a social inequality that people of color face when it comes to the criminal justice system. It sucks but its just the way it is. Hopefully something will change about that but that may take some time.
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    Dec 16, 2014 3:25 AM GMT
    HottJoe saidThe trouble is white people are in a cult (culture) and it all takes is one evil leader to take the sheep down the wrong path.

    Black lives matter.

    Hottjoe, now you've gone totally off the deep end in your race theories.

    Gee, without your brilliant analysis, I never would have known that the folks who committed the genocide in Rwanda were really white men; the Buddists killing all the muslims in Burma white too; the Lord's Resistance Army also white; the Japanese who slaughtered the Chinese in Nanjing also white; those folks doing the genocides and raping in Nigeria and Darfur also white; the Indonesians killing Christians also white. That's a hell of a lot of white evil in the world. Those white folks really get around.

    Black lives matter - in the USA - but apparently not to other black men in Africa.
  • bobbobbob

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    Dec 16, 2014 8:29 PM GMT
    tmac saidIt's human nature for people to have confirmation bias. Even if two people do the same action, a man will find a way to justify why his actions were acceptable and the other guys wasn't. So yes there is some hypocrisy but that's not shocking. It's just what it is.

    I'm not sure how many people posting are in the criminal justice career like I am but many of us could say that the cases that make the court room are all a game of chess. "Facts" are skewed, omitted, discredited, etc all in favor to try to persuade the jury or judge for the desired result. It's not really about right vs wrong but which side is more persuasive.

    http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/11/30/3597641/this-prosecutor-mistake-skewed-the-law-in-darren-wilsons-favor/

    There is a social inequality that people of color face when it comes to the criminal justice system. It sucks but its just the way it is. Hopefully something will change about that but that may take some time.


    By making rationalizations to excuse confirmation bias and its justify its subsequent hypocrisy doesn't do anything different that throwing perfume on the three legged race horse. You've made a losing horse smell better but it's never going to win a race.

    I'm not in criminal justice but have a 42 year old son who is a widely respected police lieutenant. By the way, not that it matters to me, my son is mixed race. I've been on three trial juries one 3 month long grand jury. From my experiences with juries I agree with you about the "game to skew and misrepresent fact and not being about right vs wrong. That is why there are juries to weigh evidence, filter out the skewed, misrepresented evidence and make their determination of guilt or innocence based on the evidence and reason. The most persuasive arguments win due to persuasive evidence, not due to the rhetoric of prosecutors and defenders. Evidence. Got it? There have been times that hasn't been true but they are rare and you know it.

    The link you gave is one you ought to be embarrassed to put forth. If you are in fact in criminal justice and an honest men you would know that law did not even apply to any of the acts that transpire involving Michael Brown and Officer Wilson. A total of ten witnesses (7 of them black) corroborated Wilson's story. So did 2 autopsies, All the forensic evidence reviewed by state and FBI, investigations by State of Missouri and Justice Dept. You cannot change those facts. Do you refuse to acknowledge them? Do you believe you are a better judge of evidence than people who actually saw it and deliberated about it?

    I marched in Montgomery Alabama in 1972. Mobile in 1985. I've been beat up for whites for my relationship with a black woman. She and I were both beat by blacks for the same thing. That was all in the deep South, the small Southern Alabama town of Foley.

    I get a kick out of people (not you) who point fingers and yell racist at anyone who expresses anything they do not approve of. It's funny to see blacks who express opinions contrary to the majority being called names as well. LIke I said, everything in excess turns into it's opposite.
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    Dec 16, 2014 8:36 PM GMT
    LongJumper saidGay white men are actually disgustingly hypocritical. Everyday I receive dozens of messages from white boys begging to suck my black **** but they're actually incredibly prejudiced. This thread is proof. The fact that white gays refuse to stand in solidarity with black people shows that they value their race more than any type of justice for minority populations. However, the same gays will be the FIRST ones to compare the LGBT movement to the Civil Rights Movement and then have the nerve to get upset when black people say its not the same. Its no where close. You say Stonewall was in retaliation to a specific act of oppression by the police, but fail to realize the nationwide marches, protests, and unfortunate riots are in retaliation to centuries of oppression and violence by the police against black bodies.



    Racist much?
  • bobbobbob

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    Dec 16, 2014 8:43 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidI've seen you vilify people who are homophobic. I'm vilifying racism.


    No you were not vilifying racism. You were practicing as crude and bigoted a version of marrow minded racial and sexual profiling about gay whites that would get you a beat down if you changed the word white for black in everything you said.

    Here you go... Here's your words again...

    "A lot of white gay men feel... The trouble is white people are...... The same cult (of white people) has... Why won't (white people) learn..... Why the fuck won't white gay men learn.... I may be a white gay man, but I am NOT on the side of white gay men.... If white gay men do this they will will lose and end on the wrong side of history....



    YOU DIDN'T EVEN MENTION RACISM

    You're as bad as the men who hated and beat me and my wife for me being white and her being black. It was white men and black.
  • bobbobbob

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    Dec 16, 2014 8:53 PM GMT
    Here's how ridiculous this is Joe. Here's what you said you're for....


    HottJoe said I'm on the side that says something has to be done about racial profiling in this country.


    So you think by doing racial profiling, sexist profiling and making very narrow minded statements about people based on their race and sexual identity... saying shit like this.. that You are fighting racial profiling?

    HottJoe said "A lot of white gay men feel... The trouble is white people are...... The same cult (of white people) has... Why won't (white people) learn..... Why the fuck won't white gay men learn.... I may be a white gay man, but I am NOT on the side of white gay men.... If white gay men do this they will will lose and end on the wrong side of history....



    No dude!
    You have become one of them!!!!

    Look at yourself!