Economists forecast fast growth for U.S. economy in 2015: Republicans applaud President Obama!

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    Dec 08, 2014 8:17 PM GMT
    http://www.abcactionnews.com/money/business-news/economists-forecast-fast-growth-for-us-economy-in-2015

    As we all know, Congressional Republicans have been relentless cheerleaders for President Obama's economic recovery programs.
    Now they can all celebrate.


    "The National Association for Business Economics said Monday it expects the overall economy, as measured by the gross domestic product, to expand by 3.1 percent next year."
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    Dec 08, 2014 8:23 PM GMT
    Forbes magazine, which has always billed itself as the 'Voice of Capitalism' has this to say about President Obama's economic performance:

    Obama Outperforms Reagan On Jobs, Growth And Investing

    "This is the best private sector jobs creation performance in American history."

    " ”President Reagan has long been considered the best modern economic President. So we compared his performance dealing with the oil-induced recession of the 1980s with that of President Obama and his performance during this ‘Great Recession.’

    “As this unemployment chart shows, President Obama’s job creation kept unemployment from peaking at as high a level as President Reagan, and promoted people into the workforce faster than President Reagan."

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/adamhartung/2014/09/05/obama-outperforms-reagan-on-jobs-growth-and-investing/
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    Dec 08, 2014 8:29 PM GMT
    Do you actually believe the stuff you post? If you do, you're definitely in the minority in the US. If you're all about posting older articles now, there's this:

    "The Slowest Jobs Recovery Since the Great Depression Hits a Little Part-Time Speed Bump"
    http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/04/04/the-slowest-jobs-recovery-since-the-great-depressi.aspx
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    Dec 08, 2014 8:34 PM GMT
    Also from Forbes:
    Economically, Could Obama Be America's Worst President?
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2013/06/02/economically-could-obama-be-americas-worst-president/
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    Dec 08, 2014 8:35 PM GMT
    Oh - and debunking the Forbes article:
    No, President Obama is Not the Greatest Jobs Creator in Human History – Not Even Better Than Reagan.
    http://www.ijreview.com/2014/09/175800-obamas-economic-performance-outshining-reagans/
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    Dec 08, 2014 8:40 PM GMT
    "U.S. economy added 321,000 jobs in November; unemployment rate holds at 5.8%"

    Dec 5, 2014 Bloomberg

    Riddles, You do realize that we're talking this week.

    Try to stay current.
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    Dec 08, 2014 10:46 PM GMT
    Determinate said"U.S. economy added 321,000 jobs in November; unemployment rate holds at 5.8%"

    Dec 5, 2014 Bloomberg

    Riddles, You do realize that we're talking this week.

    Try to stay current.


    Except you know, for your other post. And I mean those job numbers are great unless you actually look at jobs lost.

    If there's anyone who needs to keep up, it's you icon_wink.gif
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    Dec 09, 2014 12:04 AM GMT
    Riddles, I know you are frustrated.

    We cannot rest until YOU and SOUTHBEACH are able to find meaningful employment.

    Until then I know you'll keep yourselves busy here, spending your idle hours typing for your own amusement.
  • tj85016

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    Dec 09, 2014 7:20 AM GMT
    lol economists

    even the BIS knows the entire financial system and capital markets are a house of cards and a contrived mess
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    Dec 09, 2014 3:51 PM GMT
    Determinate saidRiddles, I know you are frustrated.

    We cannot rest until YOU and SOUTHBEACH are able to find meaningful employment.

    Until then I know you'll keep yourselves busy here, spending your idle hours typing for your own amusement.


    Add me to your list of apostates but, having been meaningfully employed for over 45 years, I'm now retired and yes, amusing myself - and some others - by typing here.

    That said, your post again begs me to retype my previously unanswered incendiary question: exactly which programs instituted by Obama are responsible for the growth you cite?
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    Dec 09, 2014 3:57 PM GMT
    MGINSD said
    Determinate saidRiddles, I know you are frustrated.

    We cannot rest until YOU and SOUTHBEACH are able to find meaningful employment.

    Until then I know you'll keep yourselves busy here, spending your idle hours typing for your own amusement.


    Add me to your list of apostates but, having been meaningfully employed for over 45 years, I'm now retired and yes, amusing myself - and some others - by typing here.

    That said, your post again begs me to retype my previously unanswered incendiary question: exactly which programs instituted by Obama are responsible for the growth you cite?

    It was a whole economic recovery package. Obama first voted for it as a senator, when Bush bailed out the banks.

    Since then, Obama has strengthened the middle class with healthcare reform and other initiatives. Since this is a projection for 2015, I'll add that his recent inclusion of illegal immigrants who have been here for more than five years into the legitimate economy will also strengthen the country greatly.
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    Dec 09, 2014 4:19 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    MGINSD said
    Determinate saidRiddles, I know you are frustrated.

    We cannot rest until YOU and SOUTHBEACH are able to find meaningful employment.

    Until then I know you'll keep yourselves busy here, spending your idle hours typing for your own amusement.


    Add me to your list of apostates but, having been meaningfully employed for over 45 years, I'm now retired and yes, amusing myself - and some others - by typing here.

    That said, your post again begs me to retype my previously unanswered incendiary question: exactly which programs instituted by Obama are responsible for the growth you cite?

    It was a whole economic recovery package. Obama first voted for it as a senator, when Bush bailed out the banks.

    Since then, Obama has strengthened the middle class with healthcare reform and other initiatives. Since this is a projection for 2015, I'll add that his recent inclusion of illegal immigrants who have been here for more than five years into the legitimate economy will also strengthen the country greatly.


    Well, at least that's a start, but please state exactly which specific Obama programs are responsible for this growth. And no, his ignoring our existing immigration laws doesn't count, as that most recent venture into lawlessness hasn't been - officially, at least - around long enough to have any appreciable impact, so forget the "projection" deflection, too. And no, I don't agree that "inclusion" of more lawbreakers into our "legitimate economy will also strengthen the country," greatly or otherwise. All it does is weaken respect for our system of ordered liberty and the rule of law which has been responsible for our success from 1789 to now.
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    Dec 09, 2014 4:36 PM GMT
    MGINSD said
    HottJoe said
    MGINSD said
    Determinate saidRiddles, I know you are frustrated.

    We cannot rest until YOU and SOUTHBEACH are able to find meaningful employment.

    Until then I know you'll keep yourselves busy here, spending your idle hours typing for your own amusement.


    Add me to your list of apostates but, having been meaningfully employed for over 45 years, I'm now retired and yes, amusing myself - and some others - by typing here.

    That said, your post again begs me to retype my previously unanswered incendiary question: exactly which programs instituted by Obama are responsible for the growth you cite?

    It was a whole economic recovery package. Obama first voted for it as a senator, when Bush bailed out the banks.

    Since then, Obama has strengthened the middle class with healthcare reform and other initiatives. Since this is a projection for 2015, I'll add that his recent inclusion of illegal immigrants who have been here for more than five years into the legitimate economy will also strengthen the country greatly.


    Well, at least that's a start, but please state exactly which specific Obama programs are responsible for this growth. And no, his ignoring our existing immigration laws doesn't count, as that most recent venture into lawlessness hasn't been - officially, at least - around long enough to have any appreciable impact, so forget the "projection" deflection, too. And no, I don't agree that "inclusion" of more lawbreakers into our "legitimate economy will also strengthen the country," greatly or otherwise. All it does is weaken respect for our system of ordered liberty and the rule of law which has been responsible for our success from 1789 to now.

    Genocide and slavery also played a role in our rise as a nation. Owning slaves was protected by the federal government, so don't try to say the laws are always right. When laws are that wrong it's the heroes who break them. The abolitionists were the heroes. The government was the enemy.

    These anti immigration laws were created by hypocrites.

    Just because the law chooses winners and losers doesn't make it right. In fact, it's imperative to make sure that laws can accommodate everyone, including those who came here outside of the prescribed law.

    Btw, what's the alternative? You can't deport millions of people. They have lives here that are just as valid as yours. We all share the same planet regardless of national borders, and we have to coexist. The alternative is to be a tyrant and needlessly persecute people who have every right as a human that you do.

    If you love this country then it should be no surprise that people will do whatever it takes to live here. And while your prejudices are hurtful and cruel, it's not going to stop them. Why should anyone care what you think when you're so rotten? I'm sure if you weren't gay yourself you'd hate gay people too. The only time I've ever seen your heart bleed is for a gay kid. Too bad your heart isn't big enough to include everyone.
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    Dec 09, 2014 5:37 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    MGINSD said
    HottJoe said
    MGINSD said
    Determinate saidRiddles, I know you are frustrated.

    We cannot rest until YOU and SOUTHBEACH are able to find meaningful employment.

    Until then I know you'll keep yourselves busy here, spending your idle hours typing for your own amusement.


    Add me to your list of apostates but, having been meaningfully employed for over 45 years, I'm now retired and yes, amusing myself - and some others - by typing here.

    That said, your post again begs me to retype my previously unanswered incendiary question: exactly which programs instituted by Obama are responsible for the growth you cite?

    It was a whole economic recovery package. Obama first voted for it as a senator, when Bush bailed out the banks.

    Since then, Obama has strengthened the middle class with healthcare reform and other initiatives. Since this is a projection for 2015, I'll add that his recent inclusion of illegal immigrants who have been here for more than five years into the legitimate economy will also strengthen the country greatly.


    Well, at least that's a start, but please state exactly which specific Obama programs are responsible for this growth. And no, his ignoring our existing immigration laws doesn't count, as that most recent venture into lawlessness hasn't been - officially, at least - around long enough to have any appreciable impact, so forget the "projection" deflection, too. And no, I don't agree that "inclusion" of more lawbreakers into our "legitimate economy will also strengthen the country," greatly or otherwise. All it does is weaken respect for our system of ordered liberty and the rule of law which has been responsible for our success from 1789 to now.

    Genocide and slavery also played a role in our rise as a nation. Owning slaves was protected by the federal government, so don't try to say the laws are always right. When laws are that wrong it's the heroes who break them. The abolitionists were the heroes. The government was the enemy.

    These anti immigration laws were created by hypocrites.

    Just because the law chooses winners and losers doesn't make it right. In fact, it's imperative to make sure that laws can accommodate everyone, including those who came here outside of the prescribed law.

    Btw, what's the alternative? You can't deport millions of people. They have lives here that are just as valid as yours. We all share the same planet regardless of national borders, and we have to coexist. The alternative is to be a tyrant and needlessly persecute people who have every right as a human that you do.

    If you love this country then it should be no surprise that people will do whatever it takes to live here. And while your prejudices are hurtful and cruel, it's not going to stop them. Why should anyone care what you think when you're so rotten? I'm sure if you weren't gay yourself you'd hate gay people too. The only time I've ever seen your heart bleed is for a gay kid. Too bad your heart isn't big enough to include everyone.


    FLASH! Slavery ended in the USA in 1863! Details ad nauseum, every waking hour of your life. And please don't speak for me; I never said "the laws are always right." That just another of your illogical straw man arguments. Like your succeeding claim, that it's "imperative to make sure that laws can accommodate everyone, including those who came here outside of the prescribed law." FLASH! Laws exist to proscribe wrongdoing, NOT to foster it.

    I most definitely believe we can and should deport ALL illegals in this country. Their presence here is so open and obvious - and often hostile - that's it's easy to spot them, and would be just as easy and economical to round them up and deport them, ALL of them, including their allegedly "innocent" kids; after all, why break up these families any more than they already have thru their serial illegal immigration? And no, the lives of those who break the law are not just as "valid" as those of people who abide by it. Yes, we all share a planet - got any more cliches and tired aphorisms in your ammo belt? - but we do so by living in our respective countries, not by roaming over and selfishly exploiting it and its citizens at will. There's neither "tyranny" nor "persecution" in applying and living by the rule of law; in fact, it usually results in the absence of the same.

    The remainder of you post is just another one of your numerous nonsensical screeds. And yes, I'm glad to be governed by a thinking head instead of a bleeding heart.
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    Dec 09, 2014 7:42 PM GMT
    Well we all know if Obama was White he wouldn't be getting all the shit he's been receiving. His last term has been underrated so far. People need to hop off his dick.
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    socal56 saidWell we all know if Obama was White he wouldn't be getting all the shit he's been receiving. His last term has been underrated so far. People need to hop off his dick.


    If he were white, he'd have never been elected. President Clinton would be in the middle of her second term.
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    Dec 09, 2014 7:53 PM GMT
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    socal56 saidWell we all know if Obama was White he wouldn't be getting all the shit he's been receiving. His last term has been underrated so far. People need to hop off his dick.


    If he were white, he'd have never been elected. President Clinton would be in the middle of her second term.
    This country would be in much worse shape if the hapless Hillary ho were elected instead of Obama. That is why it is very important for the GOP to find excellent candidates that will appeal to the broad spectrum of American voters and not just to the NARROW MINDED BIBLE THUMPING SCREWBALLS and their tea party sycophants. The democrats also need to seriously consider other candidates for 2016 as well. But Hillary must be kept out of government for good.
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    Dec 10, 2014 3:24 PM GMT
    Determinate saidForbes magazine, which has always billed itself as the 'Voice of Capitalism' has this to say about President Obama's economic performance:

    Obama Outperforms Reagan On Jobs, Growth And Investing


    “As this unemployment chart shows, President Obama’s job creation kept unemployment from peaking at as high a level as President Reagan, and promoted people into the workforce faster than President Reagan."


    Someone new for the Reagan worshipers to adore then (after a few racial adaptations, of course).

    obama-reagan.jpg
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    Determinate saidForbes magazine, which has always billed itself as the 'Voice of Capitalism' has this to say about President Obama's economic performance:

    Obama Outperforms Reagan On Jobs, Growth And Investing


    “As this unemployment chart shows, President Obama’s job creation kept unemployment from peaking at as high a level as President Reagan, and promoted people into the workforce faster than President Reagan."


    Someone new for the Reagan worshipers to adore then (after a few racial adaptations, of course).

    obama-reagan.jpg


    Ah, pity the American left! They never could forgive President Reagan for winning the Cold War, and by their gross neglect have finally succeeded in their dream of unilaterally renewing it. Talk about a death wish!
  • rip12

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    Dec 11, 2014 2:02 AM GMT
    its interesting - obama certainly wasnt my first choice for president but i was willing to allow him to try to make good on his presidency

    after 6 years im at a point where i cant wait for him to leave office - this despite not really seeing anyone in the offing that seems capable to bring us back together as a nation

    i cant help it but i see him fomenting most of the problems we see today - the system isnt broken - the people he has chosen to surround himself with are broken, partisan, and dont seem to realize the office of the president is to represent ALL OF THE PEOPLE and not just those he happens to agree with

    any improvement we have seen in this economy is in spite of obama - not because of him

    if youre going to thank anyone it would be better directed at bernanke and yellen (the federal reserve) than anything this administration has done

    and i assure everyone this isnt without a price - the verdict is out and the music hasnt stopped playing yet - we have no idea what the long term consequences of qe are - they have never been tried before now

    couple qe with 18+ trillion in debt and massive unfunded liabilities to the nation and it looks far from anything most of us know as "good"

    im not a phd in economics but i took enough of it in college to have a sour feeling that i hope i dont live long enough to see what the future holds

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    rip12 said i hope i dont live long enough to see what the future holds



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