Can man live by Protein Shakes (and workouts) alone?

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    Jan 19, 2009 4:21 AM GMT
    Okay, this queschun just came to mind upon watching that Nip/Tuck episode with Mario Lopez's first scene. He said he gave up eatingicon_eek.gif and "just consumed protein shakes" and worked out every damn second he gets a chance to (his character was a rookie plastic surgeon in town). And of course, the result would be his fine bod.
    I know this can be just Hollywood at work, but I can't help wonder a la Carrie B. if this is even humanly viable?
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    Jan 19, 2009 4:30 AM GMT
    Kinda', but, not really. You can get smaller and be toned, and lose some fat, and be a compact, tight, thing, but very hungry, and you look tiny, but...as long as you lift...you'll have muscle tone even if you're tiny. I've seen it lots of times. Guys that work out every day, with weights, and cardio, but don't eat. They're tiny; they're hungry; but, they have good muscle tone. As long as the weights are in there.

    Eventually, though, your body starts eating up muscle mass...and you look like crap (like some of the guys on here that are very underweight).

    If you don't lift, you'll look like crap right away.

    You get tired easy and so on, and you start running into health issues if you do it to long.

    Doable, for a while.

    High school wrestlers of yesteryear used to do this routinely to get into a particular weight class, even if it was way off where they should have been. Now, there's regs on how much fat they need to carry, practices, and so on.
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    Jan 19, 2009 4:31 AM GMT
    You'll end up fucking up your kidneys on that almost-exclusively protein diet if you stay in ketosis for long periods.
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    Jan 19, 2009 10:02 AM GMT
    Will liver supplements help at all? I take this brand once daily... also for the reason of alcohol consumpshun:
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  • cowboyathlete

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    Jan 19, 2009 3:08 PM GMT
    There is a very good reason they are called SUPPLEMENTS not substitutes. They should never substitute for a balanced healthy diet.
  • hotaeroboy

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    Jan 19, 2009 5:03 PM GMT
    Flex89 hit it right one the nose! Its not good for the kidneys! too much protein!
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    Jan 19, 2009 5:12 PM GMT
    I'm fairly certain Mario Lopez has that body is because he doesn't spit.

    No just kidding. But to advocate only a protein shake diet is foolish for the reasons already listed. He could be the genesis of a Kate Moss male counterpart.

    Frightening.
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    Jan 19, 2009 5:30 PM GMT
    NO!!!!

    Dear lord, man - please don't even think about it. You gotta have a balanced diet, which takes more effort than relegating yourself to only consume protein shakes. That would be absolute murder on your kidneys, your liver, you digestive system, and just about everything else in your body. We have evolved over millions of years to have diverse diets - that's what your body needs, give it that.

    I'm a diabetic - so I've been schooled a bit by my endocrinologist as to one fact that is probably the most poignant. Your brain can only run on glucose, not fats or proteins. Your body makes glucose from carbohydrates, and if you're only drinking protein shakes with no, or low sugar content, your brain will essentially have nothing to work on, and you'll get brain damage. Your neurons will wither. Sounds hot, doesn't it?
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    Jan 19, 2009 5:34 PM GMT
    You're body will never forgive you.

    Graze on veggies (dark, leafy greens), drink your milk, whole grains, etc etc...You'll miss your bowel movements ;-)
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    Jan 19, 2009 11:24 PM GMT
    hockeynick, are you type 1, or type 2, diabetic?
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    Jan 19, 2009 11:30 PM GMT
    type 1, juvenile diabetes.
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    Jan 19, 2009 11:33 PM GMT
    On the side of all the protein shake tubs and cans it says...


    Not to be used as a sole source of nutrition
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    Jan 19, 2009 11:33 PM GMT
    flex89 is type 1, too. He has a Metronics 722 pump. We deal with all the daily challenges of diabetes.

    The up side: his diet monitoring lends itself perfectly to bodybuilding, and his HBA1C has never been better, along with improved insulin sensitivity from the resistance exercise.
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    Jan 19, 2009 11:48 PM GMT
    I have the same pump. But I'm currently not using it because the supplies are way way too expensive, and since I've just started a new web developer position so I currently do not have insurance. I'm glad he's on the pump - when I was, my BGLs were under very strict control. My insulin sensitivity did improve with exercise which was good news. Good for Flex.

    ----Begin Rant----

    Ok, this is going to be off-topic, but it's really fucking stupid that I can't even buy into an insurance program because I have diabetes. I have called countless insurance companies to carry private insurance and every time they ask, "Do you have a chronic condition?" "Yes, type 1 diabetes." They say.. "I'm sorry, we can't cover diabetics." So I'm back to using needles, long-acting insulin, and fast-acting insulin, and I need to give myself about 5 fucking shots a day. And the medicine - oh man 100 bucks for one vial of insulin that I'll go through in less than 2 weeks, not to mention the testing supplies. My endocrinologist is actually kind enough to stock me up with her samples of insulin when I go for my checkups that will last me a few months. I'm not looking for a pity party, you all just need to be aware that these insurance companies are fucking scam artists. It's a joke.

    -----End Rant-----

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    Jan 19, 2009 11:49 PM GMT
    No.

    Read. Micheal. Pollan.
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    Jan 19, 2009 11:51 PM GMT
    flex89 saidYou'll end up fucking up your kidneys on that almost-exclusively protein diet if you stay in ketosis for long periods.


    pretty sure the ketones will cross your blood brain barrier first and you'll die. and a slow death too, the neural degeneration of your brain tissue as the ketones interact with the axons and the ions in the area slowly destroying the sensory pathways. aka. it. would. suck. a LOT.
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    Jan 19, 2009 11:52 PM GMT
    it turns out to be like jogurt episode with Charlotte from Sex and the City movie =)

    must chew something
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    Jan 19, 2009 11:53 PM GMT
    With protein being the most complex macromolecule second to Nucleic Acids (If I remember correctly! icon_biggrin.gif), like others have said it can, and will damage your kidneys. Now that we are on the subject of protein, what would be a healthy limit per day? Does it depend on personal factors?
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    Jan 20, 2009 12:39 AM GMT
    ketoacidosis should not be confused with ketosis.
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    Jan 20, 2009 12:57 AM GMT
    You can always have fish and rice cakes. (Danny won!)

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    Jan 20, 2009 1:00 AM GMT
    fugitive, Listen to these guys. Kidney damage is not good. You may want to be all buff and hot now, but you do something like this, then later on in life you'll be having a port in your neck and visiting a clinic 3x a week to filter out your blood. Trust me.

    I took care of an uncle of mine for a year and a half. He was a correctional officer so at one point in his life he had been pretty built. But he also had diabetes and being a Southerner, he loved his Southern food along with his alcohol. Anyway, he retired, his diabetes got out of hand due to drinking. He lost half a leg and the other foot and developed kidney and liver damage.

    Point is - dialysis is not fun. I had to learn how to give the treatments when his doctors said it was okay for him to do it at home. If there's a dialysis clinic where you are, go inside and see what those folks go through. I'm sure that'll change your mind.icon_wink.gif
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    Jan 20, 2009 1:00 AM GMT
    NNJfitandbi saidCHANGE comes tomorrow.


    That's procrastination if I ever heard it LOL!
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    Jan 20, 2009 1:07 AM GMT
    Ok, now this shit really rubs me the wrong way, and is a classic example of corporation greed.

    In India (you know that country with a gazillion folks), they can treat HIV for $77.00 a year. In the United States, that same protocol costs $15,000.00. That's obscene.

    A fat person, who stuffs themselves to the point of being 400 pounds can get SSI, and Section 8, and get the government to pay 70K for a lap band, and Logan can't get shit on his insulin, nor his pump.

    The insulin cost NOTHING to make. It's bacteria poo for crying out loud.

    Our medical system is about profit, profit, profit. Our medical system is about disease treatment and not disease prevention and it stinks something fierce.

    We'll put folks in jail for testosterone (a natural substance), or pot (another natural substance) but let folks eat themselves to death.

    Downstairs, the 9 year old year is SO FAT, the bus has to come to our FRONT DOOR every morning. (You should see her fat parents.) It's beyond pathetic.

    The parents need to be given a good spanking, for letting their 9 year old turn into such a tub of lard.

    Nothing is more funny than some fat, beer-drinking, pizza-eating, cigarette-smoking, lard ass calling me names...!!! Get a frigging clue world.
  • Timbales

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    Jan 20, 2009 1:49 AM GMT
    Am I the only one that gets bad gas from whey protein isolate?
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    Jan 20, 2009 3:09 AM GMT
    hockeynick79 saidI have the same pump. But I'm currently not using it because the supplies are way way too expensive, and since I've just started a new web developer position so I currently do not have insurance. I'm glad he's on the pump - when I was, my BGLs were under very strict control. My insulin sensitivity did improve with exercise which was good news. Good for Flex.

    ----Begin Rant----

    Ok, this is going to be off-topic, but it's really fucking stupid that I can't even buy into an insurance program because I have diabetes. I have called countless insurance companies to carry private insurance and every time they ask, "Do you have a chronic condition?" "Yes, type 1 diabetes." They say.. "I'm sorry, we can't cover diabetics." So I'm back to using needles, long-acting insulin, and fast-acting insulin, and I need to give myself about 5 fucking shots a day. And the medicine - oh man 100 bucks for one vial of insulin that I'll go through in less than 2 weeks, not to mention the testing supplies. My endocrinologist is actually kind enough to stock me up with her samples of insulin when I go for my checkups that will last me a few months. I'm not looking for a pity party, you all just need to be aware that these insurance companies are fucking scam artists. It's a joke.

    -----End Rant-----



    I have insurance and they refuse to cover the insulin pump. It is just far too expensive for my plan, they argue.

    Rage. I am filled with absolute, burning rage.