Rhi_Bran saidHummm. I still can't seem to discern what your point is.
Even with Prep and condoms combined, even if your chances of contracting HIV from an infected person or passing it on if you're infected is some small decimal approaching 0, it still makes no sense to take that risk. Adding any value of risk when there could be zero when it comes to sexual health is just nonsensical. I wouldn't play Russian Roulette with my health on the line even if there were a thousand chambers instead of six.
The only instance in which I can see this being relevant is regarding monogamous sero-discordant couples.
Big +1 for "The only instance in which I can see this being relevant is regarding monogamous sero-discordant couples." Many people can't understand even that.
Of course! But that is not the real world, is it? Otherwise there wouldn't be 50,00 new infections every year in the US alone.
If you have sex, you are already playing Russian Roulette. There is no such thing as "safe sex". You have already surpassed zero. Will HIV Ever Be Safe Enough for You?
Soon thereafter, Oprah Winfrey arrived with cameras for a town hall forum about the incident. Fear was the order of the day. "If there's just one chance in a million that somebody could catch that virus from a swimming pool," the town's mayor told Winfrey's worldwide audience, "I think I did the right thing."
Sure. Why not react in the most extreme way possible, if there is a chance in a million?http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-s-king/will-hiv-ever-be-safe-eno_b_4956884.html
I honestly believe most people are honest, to a point. (The INTENTIONAL pathological liars and psychopaths are actually rare). If people say they are Negative they actually think
they are. If they say they are Undetectable ....they probably are. (I can provide a 10 year paper trail easy enough).
And most Negative people when selecting a partner go by "Gut Instinct". And choose a Negative person. In the last 30 years of the anti-HIV campaign that seems reasonable, but See below.
I posted this article below (no responses).http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/3971535Men with undiagnosed HIV
"Men who are living with HIV without being aware of it cannot take HIV treatment and cannot make informed decisions about their sexual behaviour, so are more likely to pass HIV on. Around one in five gay men living with HIV in the UK – a little under 8000 men – are undiagnosed.
The modelling found that undiagnosed men made a disproportionate contribution to onward transmission, with around 63% (credible range: 49 to 80%) of transmissions coming from them. Moreover, most of the undiagnosed men passing on HIV have a CD4 count above 350 cells/mm3 and so are unlikely to notice problems with their health.
Within the group of men living with HIV who are not taking HIV treatment, a majority are undiagnosed. In this analysis, around 85% of HIV transmissions come from men who are not taking HIV treatment (credible range: 78 to 92%)."