Is Queer As Folk Lying to Me

  • Jav1993

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    Dec 13, 2014 5:12 PM GMT
    I just finished watching the show and...has anyone ever had a life like that!? Where you go to the gym and just exchange glances with hot guys and then your having sex in the steam room?
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    Dec 13, 2014 5:28 PM GMT
    Yes, QAF is lying. Gay men never exchange glances in the gym, and they never have sex in the steam room or sauna.
  • HottJoe

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    Dec 13, 2014 5:33 PM GMT
    It happens in real life, but it's less glamorous. There are pungent smells, bad lighting, feeble careeses, creepy leers, burning sensations, weird secretions, and random pubic hairs that get stuck in your teeth, which are not shown on TV.icon_eek.gif
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    Dec 13, 2014 5:51 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    There are pungent smells, bad lighting, feeble caresses, creepy leers, burning sensations, weird secretions, and random pubic hairs that get stuck in your teeth, which are not shown on TV.icon_eek.gif

    Yeah, you're right, they don't get seen, but how about TV also showing the drawbacks, along with the things you mention?

    Seriously, I don't like a gym and locker room where gay guys can't restrain themselves. If it's not a gay bathhouse, then don't behave like you're in a gay bathhouse. If it IS a gay bathhouse, then by all means play safe and have fun.

    As for simple glances in the gym, you get those in the shopping mall, too. Nothing wrong with them when kept in reasonable check. Don't straight men & women make eyes with each other in public? Use good judgment & common sense, and practice respect for others.
  • Jav1993

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    Dec 13, 2014 6:03 PM GMT
    Oh what's the real Babylon like!? Theres no way bars are that cool.

    I always wanted to walk down the street and eye someone in slow motion. Seems like fun haha
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    Dec 13, 2014 6:37 PM GMT
    Jav1993 saidOh what's the real Babylon like!? Theres no way bars are that cool.

    I always wanted to walk down the street and eye someone in slow motion. Seems like fun haha

    What you need to keep in mind with QAF is that it used a small recurring ensemble cast. The same actors and their characters appeared every week.

    Except QAF attempted to use them to portray a wide array multiple issues in the gay community. The whole range of which most GLBT individuals don't personally experience in real life.

    As a result, the plot lines forced the QAF characters to each have more gay drama than any 20 ordinary gay men & women ever really would. They got beat up, stood up, and blown up. They did drugs and reparative therapy, got HIV and cancer. They hooked up, broke up, made up, got thrown out, threw up on drugs and OD'ed.

    More things happened to them than I think most of us will ever experience. So take these shows with a grain of salt. And of course on TV, as on film and the stage, most situations are exaggerated for dramatic (or comedic) effect.

    QAF was true to many aspects of gay life that can occur, giving many good insights. But not true to how the vast majority of us actually live our lives, day to day.
  • Jav1993

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    Dec 13, 2014 6:52 PM GMT
    So I should stop being jealous of them huh?
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    Dec 13, 2014 6:54 PM GMT
    Jav1993 saidI just finished watching the show and...has anyone ever had a life like that!? Where you go to the gym and just exchange glances with hot guys and then your having sex in the steam room?


    The only places that I've seen where that happened were some of the seedier dance clubs and the baths (most long gone now). Also presumably, certain bookstores, theaters, and highway rest stops. icon_rolleyes.gif But most of the guys that you encountered were actually getting your best "stay away from me" look.

    If there are any places that are actually packed exclusively with beautiful people, well, naturally they wouldn't tell me where those are icon_redface.gif
  • Jav1993

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    Dec 13, 2014 7:40 PM GMT
    Wait! Are bath houses real!? And legal!?
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    Dec 13, 2014 7:49 PM GMT
    Jav1993 saidSo I should stop being jealous of them huh?

    Be neither jealous nor repelled. Rather, look for the lessons in gay living being presented. Forget the characters, they are just the means for presenting the little parables that QAF contains.

    I remember one episode, from an early season. "Michael" was moving in with his new chiropractor lover. This rich guy had a contemporary custom-designed home and interior.

    Michael moved over all his comic books, and action figure dolls on stands, like Batman and such. Things he started to display around this showplace house.

    Well, the chiropractor wasn't too pleased, with junky kids' stuff he viewed as out of place and inappropriate for his expensive designer house. But, Michael countered, what about MY stuff?

    That was a problem I had faced myself, when combining households with another guy. WHOSE stuff gets displayed? WHOSE furniture & stuff goes into storage instead, or gets sold? What if it's worthless monetarily, but priceless as a family keepsake? What are the rules?

    So while I wasn't the character Michael in other ways, nor had his chiropractor partner, I understood this dilemma. And those are the kinds of gay life snapshots QAF could be good at presenting.

    You just had to understand that you could have Michael's problem or good fortune this episode, or Brian's the next, or Emmet's, but that didn't mean you WERE these characters in other ways.

    It just meant these are issues many GLBT face. Maybe for you, maybe not. If you recognized one of them as being relevant to yourself, like the Michael moving-in episode for me, it gave you something to think about personally.

    And the overall gay scene QAF presented was likewise designed to generate these contrived situations. In that sense it was not an accurate picture of ordinary gay life, for which QAF has been heavily criticized. But I still like its surfacing of gay issues, flawed at they may have been.

    You should focus on the issues it presented, and less on the glitzy settings. And BTW, yes, I've been to places as big & glitzy as Babylon, but not as slutty, they do exist.
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    Dec 13, 2014 7:49 PM GMT
    Jav1993 saidWait! Are bath houses real!? And legal!?


    Yes sweetie. Even in Atlanta - a quick google search lists five of them.
    Ooo, and it's Saturday night. Have fun. Play safe.
  • Jav1993

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    Dec 13, 2014 7:53 PM GMT
    Oh wooooow. So much to learn haha. Nah I can't go to a bathhouse...they look creepy...plus I'm too much of a romantic
  • Jav1993

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    Dec 13, 2014 10:57 PM GMT
    It's definitely one of my favorites
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    Dec 13, 2014 11:13 PM GMT
    Jav1993 saidOh wooooow. So much to learn haha. Nah I can't go to a bathhouse...they look creepy...plus I'm too much of a romantic


    Fair enough. Don't let anybody talk you into doing something that you don't want to do. But if you do decide to "hook up" with somebody that you meet on-line or through an app... Consider that it may be safer to take a room at one of the cleaner baths and meet them there than it is to deliver yourself to a strange address. Or to give your address to a stranger. At least the first time.

    Just saying that there may still be a reason for these places in our brave new world.
  • jeep334

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    Dec 13, 2014 11:32 PM GMT
    Jav1993 saidSo I should stop being jealous of them huh?


    I wouldn't necessarily say you should be jealous of them, rather enjoy them for who they are. It's a show. Good writers are in touch with real life and have the ability to present it in a sell-able fashion.

    I bought the entire series and watched it from beginning to end. It was like watching soft porn and yet watching about life at the same time. Many of the incidents hit true to home very hard...and not hard in a good way.

    I remember the Michael moving in show. I interpreted it more of an age / social standing difference sort of thing. Just last night I was going from station to station and watched about 5 minutes of "Friends" becuase that's all I could endure. It was Chandler and Monica deciding to move in together and trying to determine which stuff was more important - his or hers. Same story line. So is life. Not a lot of differences when you look at the day to day stuff everyone goes through. What made QAF really interesting was the sparkle and beauty. You could love and hate Brian at the same time. Couldn't wait for another scene where you saw some great ass. Is he rally going to bottom this time? Kind of like getting a super dose of 'Magic Mike." How could he like the daddys as much as he seemed to and still be in love with Justin? And why was Emmett so demanding of his football playing lover? Lots of questions offered in an entertaining way. And in actuality, it all helped create a lot of good dreams which one day might just become reality.

    I thought it was an overall good commentary on life done Hollywood fashion. Gays still live too much of their lives in secret where in GAF-land, the gays were in everyone's face about their lifestyle - not realistic but very entertaining. It made you feel good like there is maybe just some hope out there.

    At the end of the day, among consenting adults, why does it matter?
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    Dec 14, 2014 12:26 AM GMT
    jeep334 said Just last night I was going from station to station and watched about 5 minutes of "Friends" becuase that's all I could endure. It was Chandler and Monica deciding to move in together and trying to determine which stuff was more important - his or hers. Same story line.


    I remember in the 90's watching episodes of "Deep Space Nine" and "Northern Exposure," and sometimes both shows would do the exact same story, with the exact same guest stars. Except one was in "A Distant Quadrant of the Galaxy" and one was in "Alaska." icon_lol.gif
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    Dec 14, 2014 12:33 AM GMT
    Jav1993 saidI just finished watching the show and...has anyone ever had a life like that!? Where you go to the gym and just exchange glances with hot guys and then your having sex in the steam room?

    Are you talking about the 1999 English original - where in the first episode Stuart brings home a 15 year old virgin and introduces him to the ecstasies of being rimmed? Times have changed a bit, but casual sex still happens. (I would refrain from picking up 15 year olds in the USA - not legal).
  • Fable

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    Dec 14, 2014 12:33 AM GMT
    Jav1993 saidOh what's the real Babylon like!? Theres no way bars are that cool.

    I always wanted to walk down the street and eye someone in slow motion. Seems like fun haha



    Lol he meant the uk version which is way more realistic than the America. Qaf
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    Dec 14, 2014 12:34 AM GMT
    mindgarden said
    Jav1993 saidWait! Are bath houses real!? And legal!?


    Yes sweetie. Even in Atlanta - a quick google search lists five of them.
    Ooo, and it's Saturday night. Have fun. Play safe.

    Generally speaking, they are even nicer in europe.
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    Dec 14, 2014 1:54 AM GMT
    Don't be jealous of tv character. Truth is stranger than fiction and most peoples' real life stories are far more dramatic and interesting than what any Hollywood writer could come up with.
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    Dec 14, 2014 4:44 AM GMT
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    Jav1993 saidSo I should stop being jealous of them huh?
    I remember one episode, from an early season. "Michael" was moving in with his new chiropractor lover. This rich guy had a contemporary custom-designed home and interior.

    Michael moved over all his comic books, and action figure dolls on stands, like Batman and such. Things he started to display around this showplace house.

    Well, the chiropractor wasn't too pleased, with junky kids' stuff he viewed as out of place and inappropriate for his expensive designer house. But, Michael countered, what about MY stuff?

    I remember exactly what I thought when I saw that episode when it first aired.

    "Michael - ask to take over a bedroom or the basement to showcase your comic collections and leave the rest of your lover's house alone!"
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    Dec 14, 2014 5:28 AM GMT
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    I remember exactly what I thought when I saw that episode when it first aired.

    "Michael - ask to take over a bedroom or the basement to showcase your comic collections and leave the rest of your lover's house alone!"

    Well, that might solve the problem regarding Michael's comic book action dolls.

    But the bigger issue I saw was one I had faced: when 2 mature men, with complete household possessions, combine their homes, where does all their stuff go?

    You've now got 2 of everything: 2 dinning rooms, 2 or more bedrooms, 2 living rooms, 2 of every kitchen appliance, 2 sets of china, silverware, cookware, EVERYTHING. It may not all fit in where you're gonna live together.

    So what do you do? Whose stuff takes priority? How do you display stuff on shelves and in curio cabinets? If you have decoratives of your own that would fill every shelf space, and he has decoratives that would fill every shelf space, how do you resolve that?

    So that was the dilemma with which I empathized in that episode about Michael moving in with a guy. Not specifically his comic books and action figures, but the larger issue of any 2 guys with established homes who try to move in together and consolidate their stuff. That's one of the universal gay issues at which I thought QAF was good at addressing, that no other TV programs ever had.
  • Jav1993

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    Dec 14, 2014 7:42 AM GMT
    I was like "Why not put the comic books in the attic with all ur cardboard cutouts, ur other stuff in storage, and your favorite things in the living room".I can't imagine someone just grabbing their partner's stuff and moving it...i did side with Michael tho. AND WAS ANYONE ELSE PISSED WHEN MICHAEL'S MOM SIDED WITH MELANIE WHEN SHE TRIED TO GET CUSTODY OF HIS SON!?!?!?
  • AMoonHawk

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    Dec 14, 2014 7:52 AM GMT
    Jav1993 saidOh what's the real Babylon like!? Theres no way bars are that cool.

    I always wanted to walk down the street and eye someone in slow motion. Seems like fun haha

    Gays have the some of the best party bars in the world ... Babylon is pretty mild compared to some.
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    Dec 14, 2014 8:34 AM GMT
    why are people talking about a tv show like it's a irl person? weird.

    tv shows are not supposed to be like real life. they're expected to entertain.