'Religious Freedom' Or A 'License To Discriminate'?

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    Dec 13, 2014 8:20 PM GMT
    "Gay Lives Matter"

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    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/12/religious-freedom-state-laws_n_6316782.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

    “We’re making judges religious referees for state policy,”
  • HottJoe

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    Dec 13, 2014 11:09 PM GMT
    "Gay Lives Matter"

    Oh please it's not like we're being killed by the cops.
  • HottJoe

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    Dec 13, 2014 11:11 PM GMT
    You can't get white gay men to care about black rights, but you can count on them to hijack their movement and slogans.

    It's a sad state of affairs.
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    Dec 13, 2014 11:18 PM GMT
    HottJoe said"Gay Lives Matter"

    Oh please it's not like we're being killed by the cops.



    Oh please, shut up icon_rolleyes.gif


    History of violence against LGBT people in the United States
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_violence_against_LGBT_people_in_the_United_States

    7 Worst Capital Punishments for Being (Illegally) Gay
    http://www.ranker.com/list/7-worst-capital-punishments-for-being-_illegally_-gay/joanne
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    Dec 13, 2014 11:33 PM GMT
    scruffLA said
    HottJoe said"Gay Lives Matter"

    Oh please it's not like we're being killed by the cops.



    Oh please, shut up icon_rolleyes.gif


    History of violence against LGBT people in the United States
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_violence_against_LGBT_people_in_the_United_States

    7 Worst Capital Punishments for Being (Illegally) Gay
    http://www.ranker.com/list/7-worst-capital-punishments-for-being-_illegally_-gay/joanne

    Slavery
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    Dec 14, 2014 12:01 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    HottJoe said
    scruffLA said
    HottJoe said"Gay Lives Matter"

    Oh please it's not like we're being killed by the cops.



    Oh please, shut up icon_rolleyes.gif


    History of violence against LGBT people in the United States
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_violence_against_LGBT_people_in_the_United_States

    7 Worst Capital Punishments for Being (Illegally) Gay
    http://www.ranker.com/list/7-worst-capital-punishments-for-being-_illegally_-gay/joanne

    Slavery


    Yes, slavery:

    http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2014/12/11/facebook-video-shows-teens-slapping-taunting-older-man-on-cta-train/


    It ended 150 years ago, Emancipation Proclamation and The 13th Amendment
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    Dec 14, 2014 12:06 AM GMT
    HottJoe saidYou can't get white gay men to care about black rights, but you can count on them to hijack their movement and slogans.

    It's a sad state of affairs.


    +1
  • HottJoe

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    Dec 14, 2014 12:16 AM GMT
    scruffLA said
    southbeach1500 said
    HottJoe said
    scruffLA said
    HottJoe said"Gay Lives Matter"

    Oh please it's not like we're being killed by the cops.



    Oh please, shut up icon_rolleyes.gif


    History of violence against LGBT people in the United States
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_violence_against_LGBT_people_in_the_United_States

    7 Worst Capital Punishments for Being (Illegally) Gay
    http://www.ranker.com/list/7-worst-capital-punishments-for-being-_illegally_-gay/joanne

    Slavery


    Yes, slavery:

    http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2014/12/11/facebook-video-shows-teens-slapping-taunting-older-man-on-cta-train/


    It ended 150 years ago, Emancipation Proclamation and The 13th Amendment

    Lynchings
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    Dec 14, 2014 12:23 AM GMT
    sf_swimmer said
    HottJoe saidYou can't get white gay men to care about black rights, but you can count on them to hijack their movement and slogans.

    It's a sad state of affairs.


    +1



    "The Cops" mean nothing but a mouth piece for the real complaint, the same president who gave us executive order 11246, equal employment, that included race (now includes LGBT), is the same president who created a law enforcement commission around the same time frame, hmmm, interesting, the same time frame of the riots of the 60's and Al Sharpton.


    Criminal justice
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_justice

    The first contact a defendant has with the criminal justice system is usually with the police

    [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President%27s_Commission_on_Law_Enforcement_and_Administration_of_Justice[/url]
    The President's Commission on Law Enforcement and Administration of Justice was a group of 19 people appointed by President Johnson in 1965 to study the American criminal justice system. Johnson assigned the group the staggering task of fighting crime and repairing the American criminal justice system

    The Commission's final report was issued in 1967[2] has been described as "the most comprehensive evaluation of crime and crime control in the United States at the time".[3] It laid out reorganization plans for police departments[4] and suggested a range of reforms
  • HottJoe

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    Dec 14, 2014 12:30 AM GMT
    Next time a white gay man gets shot by the cops for reaching for his wallet, we'll riot.

    #gaylivesmatter
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    Dec 14, 2014 12:47 AM GMT
    HottJoe saidNext time a white gay man gets shot by the cops for reaching for his wallet, we'll riot.

    #gaylivesmatter



    I suggest you read this piece of important history. Federal level response to the 'same complaint' has once before been tried. History tends to repeat itself. This 'movement' isn't new but maybe it is for the Millennials who don't know their history


    LYNDON B. JOHNSON
    The White House
    March 8, 1965

    Special Message to the Congress on Law Enforcement and the Administration of Justice.
    http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=26800

    This active combat against crime calls for a fair and efficient system of law enforcement to deal with those who break our laws. It means giving new priority to the methods and institutions of law enforcement:

    --to our police, who are our front line, both offensive and defensive, in the fight against crime. There is a great need not only for improved training of policemen but for all people to learn about, to understand, and to assist the policeman in his work.

    --to our courts, traditionally the symbol and guardian of our cherished freedoms. Local criminal courts are so overloaded that their functioning is impeded and their effectiveness weakened. More courts and judges is one answer, but every possibility of improvement must be explored.

    --to our correctional agencies. We cannot tolerate an endless, self-defeating cycle of imprisonment, release, and reimprisonment which fails to alter undesirable attitudes and behavior. We must find ways to help the first offender avoid a continuing career of crime.

    No right is more elemental to our society than the right to personal security and no right needs more urgent protection.

    Our streets must be safe. Our homes and places of business must be secure. Experience and wisdom dictate that one of the most legitimate functions of government is the preservation of law and order.

    Our system rejects the concept of a national police force. The protection responsibilities lie primarily with state and local governments.
  • tj85016

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    Dec 14, 2014 1:09 AM GMT
    Scruff needs a date with Bill Cosby
  • HottJoe

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    Dec 14, 2014 1:48 AM GMT
    Gay Lives Matter or License to Discriminate?

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/3959676
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    Dec 14, 2014 2:03 AM GMT
    tj85016 saidScruff needs a date with Bill Cosby

    Scruff might sleep through it, but probably without ill effects - Anyone think Cosby can still get it up?
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    Dec 14, 2014 5:19 AM GMT
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    HottJoe saidYou can't get white gay men to care about black rights, but you can count on them to hijack their movement and slogans.

    It's a sad state of affairs.


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    Dec 14, 2014 5:54 AM GMT
    LGBT activists gear up the next battle
    http://www.msnbc.com/melissa-harris-perry/watch/lgbt-activists-gear-up-the-next-battle-371764291742

    As the racial justice movement to end police violence continues to gain momentum, the LGBT rights movement has turned its attention to a new front in the fight for LGBT equality. Frances Fox Piven, Vince Warren, Barbara Smith and Carmen Perez join to discuss the intersection of the racial justice, feminist and LGBT rights movements.

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    Dec 14, 2014 7:16 AM GMT
    HottJoe saidYou can't get white gay men to care about black rights, but you can count on them to hijack their movement and slogans.

    It's a sad state of affairs.


    The sad state of affairs is that you'd try to guilt us for not supporting protests, riots, arson and threats to the lives of innocent people that's founded on a totally false narrative about a guy who stole dope smoking material from a store, assaulted a store employee, called a cop a pussy, refused to obey a cop, hit the cop twice then tried to take his gun, was shot three times, refused to stop when ordered to do so by the cop, charged the cop and was then shot more times.

    My argument has
    7 black eyewitnesses who agreed with the policeman's report
    2 separate autopsies that agreed with the policeman's report
    3 separate examinations of forensic evidence (county, state and FBI)
    2 separate crime scene evaluations (county and state)
    .......... that were all considered in depth by a grand jury that did not indict.

    Your argument has.
    The mouth of Al Sharpton, with a 75% documented history of misrepresenting the truth or just plain lying.http://www.politifact.com/personalities/al-sharpton/
    Various Sharpton psychophants (sic) who also are race profiteers
    A few ideological news sources
    Mob mentality
    2 witnesses whose testimony contradicted all the things in my argument
    1 eye witness who testified he changed his testimony to fit the autopsy evidence he heard on television.

    I'll stay on the side of truth, reason, facts and evidence while you try to come up with something to beat them.

    And for every 125 blacks killed by police over 9,000 are killed by other blacks.

    When was the last time you heard of a town being looted and burned because a black kid got caught in the crossfire of competing black gangs or drug dealers?
  • bobbobbob

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    Dec 14, 2014 7:44 AM GMT
    As for Religious Freedom' Or A 'License To Discriminate'

    There's nothing about that that's new. The idea has been taking root for over 15 years. It's an idea cooked up by the "Discovery Institute" -- the same people who tried to force "Intelligent Design" and got their butts burned in the Kitzmiller vs Dover trial in which a conservative judge appointed by Bush was on the verge of placing them all in jail for contempt for presenting totally falsified evidence.

    The discovery institute "cutely" named Religious Freedom To Discriminate

    Religious Positive Discrimination It has been creeping in through small court battles, one by one. The first was about a church owned apartment complex that went to court to argue they had a right to discriminate in housing on the basis of religion. They lost.

    The most recent example of it was the "test" attempt in Arizona to impose a religious right to discriminate against gays in commercial services on the basis of religion. Had that bill not been defeated at least seven other state were poised to move their clone bills through state legislators.

    If you want to read something scary, do a search for the "Wedge Document" put out by the Discovery Institute. It lays out the fundamentalist Christian strategy to take over medicine, sciences, media, arts, education, banks, courts and just about every other damned thing in the USA in order to become a Christian Taliban in the USA.
  • HottJoe

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    Dec 14, 2014 4:50 PM GMT
    bobbobbob said
    HottJoe saidYou can't get white gay men to care about black rights, but you can count on them to hijack their movement and slogans.

    It's a sad state of affairs.


    The sad state of affairs is that you'd try to guilt us for not supporting protests, riots, arson and threats to the lives of innocent people that's founded on a totally false narrative about a guy who stole dope smoking material from a store, assaulted a store employee, called a cop a pussy, refused to obey a cop, hit the cop twice then tried to take his gun, was shot three times, refused to stop when ordered to do so by the cop, charged the cop and was then shot more times.

    My argument has
    7 black eyewitnesses who agreed with the policeman's report
    2 separate autopsies that agreed with the policeman's report
    3 separate examinations of forensic evidence (county, state and FBI)
    2 separate crime scene evaluations (county and state)
    .......... that were all considered in depth by a grand jury that did not indict.

    Your argument has.
    The mouth of Al Sharpton, with a 75% documented history of misrepresenting the truth or just plain lying.http://www.politifact.com/personalities/al-sharpton/
    Various Sharpton psychophants (sic) who also are race profiteers
    A few ideological news sources
    Mob mentality
    2 witnesses whose testimony contradicted all the things in my argument
    1 eye witness who testified he changed his testimony to fit the autopsy evidence he heard on television.

    I'll stay on the side of truth, reason, facts and evidence while you try to come up with something to beat them.

    And for every 125 blacks killed by police over 9,000 are killed by other blacks.

    When was the last time you heard of a town being looted and burned because a black kid got caught in the crossfire of competing black gangs or drug dealers?

    It just occurred to me that in your crusade to demonize black people, you're actually demonizing white people. You make white people look heartless and cruel.

    Be gone, demon! To hell with you!!
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    Dec 14, 2014 9:11 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidYou can't get white gay men to care about black rights, but you can count on them to hijack their movement and slogans.

    It's a sad state of affairs.


    I care about the rights of others, including blacks, and I'm white.
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    Dec 14, 2014 9:13 PM GMT
    FRE0 said
    HottJoe saidYou can't get white gay men to care about black rights, but you can count on them to hijack their movement and slogans.

    It's a sad state of affairs.


    I care about the rights of others, including blacks, and I'm white.

    +1
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    Dec 14, 2014 11:03 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    FRE0 said
    HottJoe saidYou can't get white gay men to care about black rights, but you can count on them to hijack their movement and slogans.

    It's a sad state of affairs.


    I care about the rights of others, including blacks, and I'm white.


    And you are gay. Hmmmmm.... kind of invalidates Joe's proclamation that, "You can't get white gay men to care about black rights."

    How could Joe have been so wrong?


    He just exaggerated. The gay persons I know favor full equality, but probably the gay persons I know are atypical in a number of ways. We all know that some gay persons are quite selfish and not concerned with the rights of anyone except their own, but I question whether that is typical. As I see it, we have no right to complain when our rights are violated unless we support the rights of others.

    Being attracted to other races is a different matter. It is possible to find blacks physically unattractive and still strongly favor equality. Personally, I find that all ethnicities have their share of both attractive and unattractive people.

    Unfortunately, those who have experienced discrimination cannot be depended upon to oppose discrimination against others. For example, some of our ancestors came to North America to escape religious persecution but then persecuted people of other religions. People who have been bullied often become bullies themselves.
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    Dec 14, 2014 11:41 PM GMT
    FRE0 said
    southbeach1500 said
    FRE0 said
    HottJoe saidYou can't get white gay men to care about black rights, but you can count on them to hijack their movement and slogans.

    It's a sad state of affairs.


    I care about the rights of others, including blacks, and I'm white.


    And you are gay. Hmmmmm.... kind of invalidates Joe's proclamation that, "You can't get white gay men to care about black rights."

    How could Joe have been so wrong?


    He just exaggerated. The gay persons I know favor full equality, but probably the gay persons I know are atypical in a number of ways. We all know that some gay persons are quite selfish and not concerned with the rights of anyone except their own, but I question whether that is typical. As I see it, we have no right to complain when our rights are violated unless we support the rights of others.

    Being attracted to other races is a different matter. It is possible to find blacks physically unattractive and still strongly favor equality. Personally, I find that all ethnicities have their share of both attractive and unattractive people.

    Unfortunately, those who have experienced discrimination cannot be depended upon to oppose discrimination against others. For example, some of our ancestors came to North America to escape religious persecution but then persecuted people of other religions. People who have been bullied often become bullies themselves.


    ^ someone who gets it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • HottJoe

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    Dec 15, 2014 12:51 AM GMT
    The reason I have said what I've said is because of the troubling comments being made on several recent threads, which speak against addressing evidence of racial inequality as a racial issue, while simultaneously demonizing black people. It reads as oppressive and tells me that many of the men on RJ do not support civil rights and equality, and to me that makes them seem like shams, especially when they say gay lives matter out the other end.

    Who among us does support the current movement to address the issue of gross inequality in the criminal justice system, and who among us want to deny that racial profiling even exists? Because that's where many people have started, on this very site, and now is as good a time as any to realize the truth and support what's right and equal and just.

    Now that gay people have seen freedom and having a voice, and it's time to do what's right for the community, and not squander all that we ever tried to represent by waving rainbows.
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    Dec 15, 2014 12:55 AM GMT
    [quote][cite]HottJoe said
    It just occurred to me that in your crusade to demonize black people, you're actually demonizing white people. You make white people look heartless and cruel.

    Be gone, demon! To hell with you!![/quote]


    Hahahahahaha! Too funny!

    Can't toss out any facts so you have to throw turds the messenger?

    You're must be on the debate team at Duck & Fumb University.

    If not ask if they need a poster child.