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  • theonewhoknoc...

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    Dec 15, 2014 9:53 PM GMT
    Is it just me or does some of the more permissive "advice" given around here often seem to come from a place of conflict of interest lol? You'll understand if you watch the clip...

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    Dec 15, 2014 10:00 PM GMT
    So you're complaining that no one here liked your fucked up kiddie porn drawing? I knew there was something wrong with you the moment you started that sick thread.
  • theonewhoknoc...

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    Dec 15, 2014 10:11 PM GMT
    What kiddie porn... You're just pissed that I wasn't interested in drawing daddy-son porn lol. I've received requests and compliments from tons of guys here, even from admin

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    Dec 15, 2014 10:12 PM GMT
    theonewhoknocks saidWhat kiddie porn... lots of people have complimented my work and asked for more, if it doesn't float ur boat, don't look. You're just pissed that I wasn't interested in drawing daddy-son porn lol

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    Look you pedophile.....NO ONE liked that shit but you. Go get therapy or die. Frankly I don't care which.
  • HottJoe

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    Dec 15, 2014 10:16 PM GMT
    I keep hearing about people receiving feedback from admin. I've never heard a peep from him.

    Dear admin, I don't bite.

    Or do I???

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    Dec 15, 2014 10:44 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidI keep hearing about people receiving feedback from admin. I've never heard a peep from him.

    Dear admin, I don't bite.

    Or do I???

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    Well, I WAS kinda hoping...

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    Dec 15, 2014 11:55 PM GMT
    theonewhoknocks saidWhat kiddie porn... You're just pissed that I wasn't interested in drawing daddy-son porn lol. I've received requests and compliments from tons of guys here, even from admin

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    Dude I like your drawings but the little kid grabbing the mans cock was sick as fuck and the fact you can't even see the problem with it says a lot about you.
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    Dec 15, 2014 11:58 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidI keep hearing about people receiving feedback from admin. I've never heard a peep from him.

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    I did receive many times answers to requests, questions and even warnings from admin. I guess Im just that charming.
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    Dec 16, 2014 12:24 AM GMT
    David3K said... admin. I've never heard a peep from him...
    the realjock admin passed away around May this year.

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    Dec 16, 2014 12:25 AM GMT
    pellaz said
    David3K said... admin. I've never heard a peep from him...
    the realjock admin passed away around May this year.

    Dude you quoted me wrong. It wasn't me who said that, I actually said admin has replied or contacted me several times.

    And no he didn't die. Last message I got from Jeff dates December 02.
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    Dec 16, 2014 12:28 AM GMT
    pellaz said
    David3K said... admin. I've never heard a peep from him...
    the realjock admin passed away around May this year.

    Does that mean I can post hard core porn in any thread?
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    Dec 16, 2014 1:03 AM GMT
    This is why we can't have nice things!
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    Dec 16, 2014 2:33 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidI can't even read a thread without Scruffie going off the handle with someone. Telling someone to go die? Really?

    I don't know why Scruffie gets all bent out of shape over this. He has elaborated in previous threads that as a boy he liked hanging around much older men in the hopes that something sexual would come of it. That is pedophilia too.



    I know! There's a bunch of forumers like him on this site who tell stories like that to "encourage" younger guys into experimenting with men his age. Probably to subvert the common criticism that the older men promoting age-gap relationships never go for older themselves.
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    Dec 16, 2014 2:45 AM GMT
    ^ You 2 are fuckin crazy. You sicko drew a no-older-than-8 years old chlid touching the dick of an adult.
    Then when another poster says he "used to be into older men" you automatically asume that happened when he was underage, why? Your mentality is just as sick as your drawings.
    I am 100% sure the poster referred when he was in his late teens or early twenties when he was into older men and there's nothing wrong with it, but you 2 try too hard to change all facts in order to defend and feed your pedophile fantasies.
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    Dec 16, 2014 3:31 AM GMT
    theonewhoknocks said
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidI can't even read a thread without Scruffie going off the handle with someone. Telling someone to go die? Really?

    I don't know why Scruffie gets all bent out of shape over this. He has elaborated in previous threads that as a boy he liked hanging around much older men in the hopes that something sexual would come of it. That is pedophilia too.



    I know! There's a bunch of forumers like him on this site who tell stories like that to "encourage" younger guys into experimenting with men his age. Probably to subvert the common criticism that the older men promoting age-gap relationships never go for older themselves.


    Pedophilia is a physically mature adult indulging in sexual activity with a pre- pubescent child. A pedophile does not what the physical characteristics of sexual maturity to be present AT ALL. It is an act of control and domination more than sexuality. Much like rape is a crime of violence that just happens to be perpetrated in a sexual manner.

    An age difference between two physical adults is ENTIRELY different. And it is impossible to make any kind of blanket statement regarding the mental or emotional maturity of EVERYone at ANY age. THAT must be left to the discretion of the individuals.

    As some of You know I recently dated (and thoroughly enjoyed) a Man twice My age. I am 46. Do the math.

    Was HE a pederast? Was I a "victim?"

    I really don't think so.

    I am unfamiliar with the artwork of the OP and children MUST be protected at all costs.

    But throwing criminal terms around lightly in order to soothe a personal vendetta is equally criminal.

    Let's keep some perspective here Fellas.

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  • HottJoe

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    Dec 16, 2014 4:16 AM GMT
    My opinion of theonewhoknocks artwork is that none of it is pornography. I've never been aroused by any of them. His work is grotesque, imaginative, and very well done. I think he's noteable and that his work might say something about him. But what do I know? I've only seen his drawings, and he could be a serial killer on the side for all I know.

    As for the issue of older guys saying age is just a number, that depends what they mean by that generic statement. Age is definitely a number in a developing child. When you're in sixth grade, the seventh graders seem old. Age is a number, until everyone's an adult, and even then it's uncertain for many people.

    At a certain point, age can become a hangup. I think I thought I was an adult well before I felt like I was part of the adult world. There's a young adult gray area which I suppose is late teens to early twenties, and in the gay community is often called the twink stage, and it doesn't last. Everyone who lives gets to be a man and there's a burden that comes with it. You have to be responsible. You have to moral. Because men are the good guys and the bad guys to all the kids of the world.

    I would generally advise guys who are in that young adult phase to look for guys that are their peers after they come out. Guys who are 22 don't have to date older men, and most probably aren't into them. However, by 22 it is time to join the grownup world and not make other people in it feel bad for noticing you. The guys in their 20s who attack older guys for hitting on them are not attacking pedophiles. Because guys in their 20s are not children. I suspect that guys in their twenties who are making accusations are not successfully dating guys their own age, and are acting like children, because they have yet to realize their own adulthood. I don't even hold it against them, because they'll see what it's like soon enough.

    As for actual pedophiles, I pity their wretched misery, because I fear it's impossible to stop someone from wanting what they want, but again that's where morals come in. It's not okay to rob the innocence of a child, and it's not ok for society to be permissive of pedophilia, and that is why pedophilia is a crime. As others have said it's the rape of a child, and it's not acceptable for any adult to commit that crime. Kids don't get to be adults and it's up to adults to set the boundaries and maintain them.
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    Dec 16, 2014 6:41 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
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    Pedophilia is a physically mature adult indulging in sexual activity with a pre- pubescent child. A pedophile does not what the physical characteristics of sexual maturity to be present AT ALL. It is an act of control and domination more than sexuality. Much like rape is a crime of violence that just happens to be perpetrated in a sexual manner.


    You can find Scruffie's post here in this thread http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/3955041/?forumpage=0where he elucidates on his mall experiences as a boy trying to lose his mother and these are his exact words:

    "I remember intentionally getting lost in the mall so I could hang out with the older men who hung out on the benches. I had the feeling they were looking for sex but my mom always found me before I could get into any trouble. icon_mad.gif"

    To be fair, Scruffie didn't mentioned his age so we don't know how young he was. But how many teenaged boys go to the mall with their mothers? icon_rolleyes.gif My guess is he was pretty young.


    Cash said
    But throwing criminal terms around lightly in order to soothe a personal vendetta is equally criminal.


    I'm a bit surprised at you for acknowledging this. Perhaps it hits a nerve for you in some way. But spreading libel is also a criminal act. No one is coming to my defense whenever I am called a gift giver. That is a person who intentionally spreads HIV with the sole purpose to infect another person. That is a serious and in my case a completely false accusation. I know people who have sued others simply for disclosing their HIV status and they win.

    My purpose for saying what I did was not to throw criminal terms around. It was simply to point out the hypocrisy of an individual who elaborates in the threads of his youth, hoping to find sex with much older men. But then he has the audacity to tell a person here to "die" for drawing an inappropriate drawing? That's fucked up and full of contradictions.





    I am not quite sure what You are getting at MMTM or what exactly You are "surprised" at. I do not lightly throw criminal terms around. Ever. I have made no such accusations towards anyone.

    I may occasionally spit some delightfully venomous prose here and there, usually directed at the chronically stupid, but nothing that would stand up in a court of law as libel.

    As far as the gift giving status -- I do not participate I those threads so I have no opinion one way or another. From what I know of You, You seem responsible and intelligent so I would have a hard time believing You would intentionally infect anyone with a common cold let alone HIV.

    I think Scruffle's hormones may have been kicking in and His libido may have been directed at Men that were inappropriate for Him. When I was a kid I thought both Greg Brady and Kieth Partridge were Hot. There was certainly nothing illicit as a result. I always hung around with older Guys (I being 9 or 10 and hanging with My older cousins and their friends who were in their teens), probably responding to an attraction I was far too young to even comprehend.

    I have made My feelings on wishing death to anyone else very clear. Even I draw the line there. While I despise sensorship, I believe We have a responsibility and duty to choose Our words wisely - especially those of Us who have been around the block.
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    Dec 16, 2014 6:51 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
    Cash said

    I am not quite sure what You are getting at MMTM, I do not lightly throw criminal terms around. Ever. I have made no such accusations towards anyone.

    I may occasionally spit some delightfully venomous prose here and there, usually directed at the chronically stupid, but nothing that would stand up in a court of law as libel.


    I know you haven't. I wasn't talking about you. I was talking about Scruffie.


    Oh.

    Well that's different then.

    Now tell Me how pretty I am and kiss Me good night.

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    Dec 16, 2014 6:59 AM GMT
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    pellaz said
    David3K said... admin. I've never heard a peep from him...
    the realjock admin passed away around May this year.

    Does that mean I can post hard core porn in any thread?

    For some reason, I read that a little differently. icon_lol.gif


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    Dec 16, 2014 7:26 AM GMT
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    theonewhoknocks saidWhat kiddie porn... lots of people have complimented my work and asked for more, if it doesn't float ur boat, don't look. You're just pissed that I wasn't interested in drawing daddy-son porn lol

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    Look you pedophile.....NO ONE liked that shit but you. Go get therapy or die. Frankly I don't care which.


    I am surprised at You Scruffy. As an Art Dealer I would expect You to approach an Artist's vision with a more open mind - even if You find the subject matter, or execution there of, somewhat disturbing.

    Would You wish death and hurl epithets and David Wojnarowicz or Francis Bacon? Either could be considered equally if not far more disturbing but are considered to be Masters.

    Again I am not familiar with the OPs full body of work, but while provocative and at times somewhat extreme, I really don't think He deserves to die.

    To shut off thought and vision and expression, no matter how abhorrent it may be to certain individuals, at best diminishes culture and Humanity and at worst obliterates it entirely.

    And c'mon Scruffy-- YOU of all people KNOW that!!!
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    Dec 16, 2014 7:30 AM GMT
    Oooh he's got a Knoll,, can I come watch?
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    Dec 16, 2014 8:09 AM GMT
    beneful1 saidOooh he's got a Knoll,, can I come watch?


    Between the butter and My vast collection of mint condition International style side tables and credenzas, do I even need to show up?!?!?

    This is even worse than that embarrassing incident with the Barcelona chair and the chocolate covered strawberries!!!
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    Dec 16, 2014 8:14 AM GMT
    The OPs artwork is shitty and amateur.
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    Dec 16, 2014 1:55 PM GMT
    Cash said
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    theonewhoknocks saidWhat kiddie porn... lots of people have complimented my work and asked for more, if it doesn't float ur boat, don't look. You're just pissed that I wasn't interested in drawing daddy-son porn lol

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    Look you pedophile.....NO ONE liked that shit but you. Go get therapy or die. Frankly I don't care which.


    I am surprised at You Scruffy. As an Art Dealer I would expect You to approach an Artist's vision with a more open mind - even if You find the subject matter, or execution there of, somewhat disturbing.

    Would You wish death and hurl epithets and David Wojnarowicz or Francis Bacon? Either could be considered equally if not far more disturbing but are considered to be Masters.

    Again I am not familiar with the OPs full body of work, but while provocative and at times somewhat extreme, I really don't think He deserves to die.

    To shut off thought and vision and expression, no matter how abhorrent it may be to certain individuals, at best diminishes culture and Humanity and at worst obliterates it entirely.

    And c'mon Scruffy-- YOU of all people KNOW that!!!



    Yes I shouldn't have said that. I have compassion for pedophiles who realize they need help because I'm sure they didn't ask to be that way. But the OP actually created this thread to mock anyone who dared to challenge his perversion. And anyone who is trying to compare my feelings I had as a young teenager to pedophilia obviously does not know the definition of the word. Making a drawing of a toddler holding a grown man's dick is crossing the line Cash. Period.
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    Dec 16, 2014 5:25 PM GMT
    Radd said
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    theonewhoknocks saidWhat kiddie porn... lots of people have complimented my work and asked for more, if it doesn't float ur boat, don't look. You're just pissed that I wasn't interested in drawing daddy-son porn lol

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    Look you pedophile.....NO ONE liked that shit but you. Go get therapy or die. Frankly I don't care which.


    I am surprised at You Scruffy. As an Art Dealer I would expect You to approach an Artist's vision with a more open mind - even if You find the subject matter, or execution there of, somewhat disturbing.

    Would You wish death and hurl epithets and David Wojnarowicz or Francis Bacon? Either could be considered equally if not far more disturbing but are considered to be Masters.

    Again I am not familiar with the OPs full body of work, but while provocative and at times somewhat extreme, I really don't think He deserves to die.

    To shut off thought and vision and expression, no matter how abhorrent it may be to certain individuals, at best diminishes culture and Humanity and at worst obliterates it entirely.

    And c'mon Scruffy-- YOU of all people KNOW that!!!



    Yes I shouldn't have said that. I have compassion for pedophiles who realize they need help because I'm sure they didn't ask to be that way. But the OP actually created this thread to mock anyone who dared to challenge his perversion. And anyone who is trying to compare my feelings I had as a young teenager to pedophilia obviously does not know the definition of the word. Making a drawing of a toddler holding a grown man's dick is crossing the line Cash. Period.


    I have not seen the particular piece You are referring to so I can not really comment on it.

    What I CAN comment on is that regardless of the subject matter, it is nothing more than a thought that has been realized in ink or paint or charcoal or whatever the medium.

    Thoughts are just merely that, thoughts. Expression of them has lead to the greatest breakthroughs in science, art, culture and Humanity in general. It is the suppression of thoughts that cause havoc.

    Would You accuse the writer of murder mystery novels of being a diabolical serial killer? If Your logic held true Brett Easton Ellis would be in a straight jacket in solitary for life. So would Stephen King.

    Some of the Great Masters have depicted images of war and the crucifixion of Christ in extremely graphic ways - were THEY sick and in need of therapy?

    And modern film makers have the technology to bring the most disturbing images and concepts to visual reality in order to tell a story - do THEY deserve the death penalty.

    My guess is a true pedophile, or any true criminal for that matter, would not be so transparent in his intentions.

    Again, I am not familiar with the piece in question but I do know that most art images can be interpreted in different ways and are often metaphorical more than literal. Of course only the Artist can really address this but He must be given the opportunity before being categorically written off as a sick criminal.

    And YOU know that Scruffy!!!

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