Is it stupid to want luxury goods?

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    Dec 16, 2014 7:45 AM GMT
    Please tell me it really is. I certainly act like it would be amazing but I probably shouldn't.

    I dream someday of having a nice, southern Californian high rise condo looking out to the ocean. Nothing huge per se, but luxurious, fashionable and where I could really see myself making my dream home. Of course, that key word is "luxury". I see the stories in magazines like Details that tantalize with scenic pictures of these amazing places. But as glorified as they are, is it really something I should want enough to try to get?

    I have my music, and I have my art. It may not make me much money, but it makes me think deeply and philosophically about our existence and place in the universe. I go to the gym to improve my body, and really put in the physical effort. I work hard at my job and it keeps a roof over my head.

    After all, a Mercedes is just another car. A Louis Vuitton suitcase is just an overpriced suitcase. Diamonds are just shiny rocks. Or is there really more to this stuff than just meets the eye?
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    Dec 16, 2014 7:58 AM GMT
    If you want to get a Mercedes Benz, just get one. No need to ask for anyone's approval. icon_wink.gif
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    Dec 16, 2014 8:01 AM GMT
    No.

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  • tj85016

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    Dec 16, 2014 12:15 PM GMT
    other than a residence you enjoy, it's all fleeting crap man

    make a statement with your art and music, not your luggage or a watch
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    Dec 16, 2014 12:32 PM GMT
    I need enough money to have a comfortable living and I can go on holidays. Is traveling luxury goods? If so, it's not stupid to travel.
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    Dec 16, 2014 2:51 PM GMT
    Scotticvs said... Mercedes is just another car. A Louis Vuitton suitcase is just...

    -something mass produced can never be a luxury.
    -Wonder why you dont see more of the Vuitton gym bags at the work out?
  • HottJoe

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    Dec 16, 2014 4:21 PM GMT
    If you're creative then there's nothing you can buy that will supplant your unmade work. You just have to stick to your vision as an artist, and whether or not you make money is really secondary. The money and fame is more about self promotion than quality of work anyway. No one read Moby Dick until 20 years after its author died a commercial failure. Yet it's one of the few books from that era that's recognizable by virtually everyone.
  • Destinharbor

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    Dec 16, 2014 6:06 PM GMT
    Depends on why you want it. If you feel inferior for not having it, then you have a problem. If you want it because you appreciate the difference aesthetically, then not stupid. Nice things are nice. Except for the shiny rock thing-- that is truly dumb. If you want nice things, just start by buying one nice thing that you can afford. Wait until something holds your attention and you keep coming back to it. Then if you can handle the expense, buy it. Sometime later, when your bank account has recovered, you can do it again. Over time, you'll accumulate some nice stuff that all means something to you, has a story, literally. Word of caution, though. I had the unpleasant experience of liquidating my parents home. I took a few things, my brother a few things, but most went to an auction house. In the long run, things don't define who you are. They're just things. Stay focused on your art and the people you love. Then decorate that life with some things you appreciate.
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    Dec 16, 2014 6:54 PM GMT
    Not stupid. Get what you really want and can afford - and what you can afford to keep or lose.

    If you had a $10,000 or $50,000 watch would you worry all the time about it getting stolen or lost? Be afraid to wear it lots of places? Be afraid you didn't have a safe place in the house to keep it?

    The insurance on a $100,000 car can be 5 x the cost of insurance on a $20,000 car.

    If you had a $500,000 antique car and no chauffeur to keep it safe when you went inside somewhere, would you be worrying about it all the time?


    Yet it's nice to have a few beautiful baubles that you really like.
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    Dec 16, 2014 7:26 PM GMT
    I make a distinction about tangible luxuries. My first car had a manual transmission, the next one had an automatic transmission, the next one had cruise control and power windows. The current one has a gps navigational system. All of those I consider luxuries, but they make a tangible difference when I'm driving.

    Expensive jewelry and watches don't do anything for me. I don't have any expensive art but I do like art. Reproductions would be fine for me; I don't need the original or a signed limited edition.

    If you can afford expensive jewelry and watches and it gives you pleasure to own them then it's your call. But don't go into debt to own stuff like that in order to impress others; that would be foolish.
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    Dec 16, 2014 7:50 PM GMT
    Of course it is not "stupid" to want only the finest!

    When shopping for canned goods, which is not often, I always insist

    upon the le sueur peas...
    lesueur.jpg
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    Dec 16, 2014 7:59 PM GMT
    bon_pan saidOf course it is not "stupid" to want only the finest!
    When shopping for canned goods, which is not often, I always insist
    upon the le sueur peas...
    lesueur.jpg

    Hmph, ersatz French peas. Oh please. icon_rolleyes.gif

    And don't forget the Grey Poupon when you're out cruising in your Rolls.

    http://www.kraftfoodservice.com/ProductsandBrands/Spreads/GreyPoupon/Products.aspx
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    Dec 16, 2014 8:02 PM GMT
    bon_pan saidWhen shopping for canned goods

    I confess to preferring canned peas over fresh or frozen peas. Likewise with spinach.
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    Dec 17, 2014 12:01 AM GMT
    Scotticvs saidI dream someday of having a nice, southern Californian high rise condo looking out to the ocean. Nothing huge per se, but luxurious, fashionable and where I could really see myself making my dream home.

    Nothing stupid about that at all.

    I've often said my needs are simple - I only want waterfront, in Larchmont or Great Neck so I'm close to the best NYC medical care, with maybe a winter home on the ocean in Palm Beach or La Jolla. Nothing too big or ostentatious with too-expensive common charges or property taxes. Something sensible that's not too far from a Costco I'd drive to in a low mileage, heavily depreciated used late model Subaru Forester with all-wheel drive. (Safety first.)

    If they could, most people would sacrifice space for views and location. Everyone dreams of a nice little place in a desirable area with a great view, and when they can't get it, many will overcompensate with nice cars, designer labels and granite countertops. That's what luxury goods are for, darling. They're band-aids for the things you can't afford.
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    Dec 17, 2014 12:20 AM GMT
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    bon_pan saidOf course it is not "stupid" to want only the finest!
    When shopping for canned goods, which is not often, I always insist
    upon the le sueur peas...

    Hmph, ersatz French peas. Oh please. icon_rolleyes.gif

    And don't forget the Grey Poupon when you're out cruising in your Rolls.
    http://www.kraftfoodservice.com/ProductsandBrands/Spreads/GreyPoupon/Products.aspx


    Unfortunately, the makers of poupon have decided to appeal more to the masses...icon_neutral.gif
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    Dec 17, 2014 3:36 AM GMT
    Those things, while nice, are just things. They may give you the appearance of status and affluence but ultimately they are just things.

    If you want it go for it but don't expect these things to bring anything but momentary satisfaction.

  • SilverRRCloud

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    Dec 17, 2014 4:15 AM GMT
    If you can afford a degree of luxury, go for it. Having a fancy home ALWAYS beats being miserable, and homelessicon_biggrin.gif

    The same applies to all the other luxury items in life. I see them simply as lesser evils.

    Sadly, this is where the function of luxury stops, too.

    You do not want friends/lovers/buddies who choose to be your friends because you can afford all the luxury there is.

    To the guys who are worth your while, all that luxury simply does not matter.

    No matter where your life takes you to, never sweat the luxury stuff. It was meant for the guys who can easily afford it, and it only works its limited magic if you do not go around telling people who you worked so hard to get it...

    SC

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    Dec 17, 2014 2:58 PM GMT
    HikerSkier saidNot stupid. Get what you really want and can afford - and what you can afford to keep or lose.

    If you had a $10,000 or $50,000 watch would you worry all the time about it getting stolen or lost? Be afraid to wear it lots of places? Be afraid you didn't have a safe place in the house to keep it?

    The insurance on a $100,000 car can be 5 x the cost of insurance on a $20,000 car.

    If you had a $500,000 antique car and no chauffeur to keep it safe when you went inside somewhere, would you be worrying about it all the time?


    Yet it's nice to have a few beautiful baubles that you really like.


    Our possessions ultimately have a way of owning us.
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    Dec 17, 2014 4:38 PM GMT
    I am weird when it comes to luxury ..lol..

    To my eyes , luxury is not necessary , except in some occasions as healthcare which offers somewhat better treatment in specialised clinics and also with some electronics where technology is more advanced .

    If you think about it , a Toyota Corolla will take you from A to B as well as Mercedes C class , it might not impress your neighbours or your mates as much , but it will get the job done .
    And it goes the same for clothes , bags and so on ...icon_smile.gif
  • HndsmKansan

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    Dec 17, 2014 4:41 PM GMT
    Nothing wrong with wanting a great life with some extras that you like and appreciate. I think it helps if you appreciate what you have based on the hard work and effort necessary to obtain them. I can totally appreciate that.
    Make it a goal and craft a means through work to make it reality.
  • ai82

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    Dec 17, 2014 5:18 PM GMT
    It's your life and your money. Do what you want. The true value of something is what you give it. I think that luxury items (or expensive goods) do have a value. You pay for quality and craftsmanship. I got my mom an "expensive" pocket book, and I really could feel the difference between it and a pocket book from kohls or walmart. But that's the value that I placed on it.
    It's human to want more for yourself and the people you care about. You only live once, and money is worth nothing to you after you die. I'm a natural saver, and I'm trying to find that balance of saving for the future and spending for today.
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    Dec 17, 2014 5:35 PM GMT
    If you don't have much money, you can forget the condo overlooking the beach in SoCal. Figure on at least $1 million, and with 20% down, you would need $200,000 cash for a down payment... Closing costs and taxes would be in addition to that.

    The rest of the luxuries mentioned in the original post might gain one some attention - but also likely debt. No one really cares what luggage you carry. Just board the plane quickly, stow your shit and get out of the way so everyone else behind you can take their seat. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Dec 17, 2014 9:18 PM GMT
    I'm just conflicted with a loss of life direction. I don't know what to do. I would love to continue my music since I am very good at it and I love it. But it is not lucrative. I don't even do music really right now. I'm working two jobs, 56 hours per week, day time reservations agent and nighttime weekend night auditor. I'm so busy and tired but I don't know what else to do with my life...I don't want to keep just working for minimum wage. I know I can do better than that. I want to progress and move up. I am ambitious and willing to work hard to move up. That's why I do two jobs, and have for over a year and a half. I am dedicated to doing the extra work for a bit more money.

    I am taking a trip soon via the hotel's employee rate program to stay at L'Auberge del Mar in San Diego in late January. I can get $99 rates there for what normally ask $290 to $330 plus tax, resort fee, per night. So I would get a taste of that luxury treatment. Boutique style hotel, spa, fine quality property.

    I am thinking, although I did not really do very many business classes in college, I am nevertheless good at math and organizing on paper. Maybe I could get into accounting if I study, perhaps even try for CPA certification. But I would want to only do it really because I know it would make a lot more money.

    But I came so far in music school. And it really defines me. I learned languages very quickly and efficiently too, and I wish I could travel and see fhe world. It's just so hard trying to make a decision about what to do and what really matters...
  • HottJoe

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    Dec 17, 2014 9:29 PM GMT
    Scotticvs saidI'm just conflicted with a loss of life direction. I don't know what to do. I would love to continue my music since I am very good at it and I love it. But it is not lucrative. I don't even do music really right now. I'm working two jobs, 56 hours per week, day time reservations agent and nighttime weekend night auditor. I'm so busy and tired but I don't know what else to do with my life...I don't want to keep just working for minimum wage. I know I can do better than that. I want to progress and move up. I am ambitious and willing to work hard to move up. That's why I do two jobs, and have for over a year and a half. I am dedicated to doing the extra work for a bit more money.

    I am taking a trip soon via the hotel's employee rate program to stay at L'Auberge del Mar in San Diego in late January. I can get $99 rates there for what normally ask $290 to $330 plus tax, resort fee, per night. So I would get a taste of that luxury treatment. Boutique style hotel, spa, fine quality property.

    I am thinking, although I did not really do very many business classes in college, I am nevertheless good at math and organizing on paper. Maybe I could get into accounting if I study, perhaps even try for CPA certification. But I would want to only do it really because I know it would make a lot more money.

    But I came so far in music school. And it really defines me. I learned languages very quickly and efficiently too, and I wish I could travel and see fhe world. It's just so hard trying to make a decision about what to do and what really matters...

    Based on this new info, I would say you should go back to school. The most telling part of your post was that you're not doing music right now. If you're not doing it, then don't let it define you! You'll regret it.

    You might pick up music again, for pleasure, but a music career is something you have to dig in and make time for every day.

    Also, it sounds like you're really looking forward to traveling and staying in nice places. That doesn't sound so bad.
  • HottJoe

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    Dec 17, 2014 9:35 PM GMT
    P.S. if my post upsets you, and you can't give up music for anything, then my advice is to make time for it every single day. You will get better and maybe even strike gold. But those instruments aren't going to play themselves.