Jeb Bush for Prez

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    Dec 16, 2014 5:03 PM GMT
    love it or hat he is going to run; reference:
    http://www.bustle.com/articles/54200-jeb-bush-running-for-president-is-now-a-certainty-no-longer-a-possibility



    this will be more than expected fun.
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  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Dec 16, 2014 5:19 PM GMT
    I think that it's awesome that he is running. Jeb is not George HW, and he's not George W...I think he deserves to be judged on his own merits. I'm going to look at him with an open-mind and see what he has to say and how he shapes up as a candidate and stacks up against the others. I think Jeb Bush will be more than capable of holding his own and prove a formidable candidate.

    Then again, maybe the exploratory committee will find he is simply unelectable. Too early to tell. Should be interesting to watch regardless.
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    Dec 16, 2014 5:54 PM GMT

    I think that Jeb Bush would make a very decent US president and he would be a definite shoo in if the democrats are stupid enough to nominate the hapless Hillary ho as their 2016 candidate. I would also love if Michigan Governor Rick Snyder threw his hat into the ring because I love his tough love fiscal policies. He would be an awesome president as well because he would administer the same tough love fiscal policies on our deeply indebted federal government which is long overdue.
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    Jeb on government intrusion into personal lives
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terri_Schiavo_case
    ...Florida Legislature hastily passed "Terri's Law," giving Governor Jeb Bush the authority to intervene in the case. Governor Bush immediately ordered the feeding tube reinserted. Governor Bush sent the Florida Department of Law Enforcement (FDLE) to remove Schiavo from the hospice...

    Baird found "Terri's Law" unconstitutional, and struck it down.[44] Bush appealed this order to the Second District Court of Appeals, but on May 12, the court issued an "Order Relinquishing Case for Entry of Final Judgment and Order to Show Cause Why this Proceeding Should Not be Certified to the Supreme Court As Requiring Immediate Resolution."[45] The Second District Court of Appeals, in sending it directly to the Florida Supreme Court, invoked "pass through" jurisdiction.[46]

    The Florida Supreme Court then overturned the law as unconstitutional


    Jeb on government violation on separation of church and state
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choose_Life_license_plates
    The bill passed both houses of the Florida Legislature in early 1998, but was vetoed by then-Governor Lawton Chiles, who stated that license plates are not the "proper forum for debate" on political issues.[3][4] While campaigning for the governorship later in 1998, Jeb Bush stated that, if elected, he would sign a Choose Life bill if approved by the legislature.[3] Choose Life, Inc. went forward with the plate application again, and, after passing both houses, Governor Bush signed it into law on June 8, 1999.[3][5][6] Since then, Choose Life, Inc. has been active in helping groups in other states pursue "Choose Life" license plates.[7][8] As of April 30, 2010, Choose Life, Inc. reported that Choose Life license plates had raised over $12 million.[9] On June 21, 2011, Florida Governor Rick Scott signed House Bill 501, which directs the funds from the plates directly to Choose Life, Inc


    http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2005-03-01/news/0503010230_1_abortion-unwanted-pregnancies-pregnant
    Women with unwanted pregnancies would be counseled against having abortions under a taxpayer-financed state program announced by Gov. Jeb Bush's administration Monday


    Jeb on big government
    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?432687-Jeb-Bush-On-The-Record
    Florida budget grew by 27% during Jeb Bush's terms. Cato Institute criticized Bush for having overseen "explosive growth" and gave him a grade of "D" for controlling spending.


    Jeb's Savings and Loan scandal profiting at expense of taxpayer
    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/1992/09/bush-family-value
    The $4.56 million loan, from Broward Federal Savings in Sunrise, Florida, was granted in such a way that neither Codina's nor Bush's name appeared on the loan papers as the borrowers. A third man, J. Edward Houston, borrowed the $4.56 million from Broward and then re-lent it to the Bush partnership. When federal regulators closed Broward Savings in 1988, they found the loan, which had been secured by the Bush partnership, in default.

    As Jeb's father was finishing his second term as vice-president and running for the presidency, federal regulators had two options: to get Jeb Bush and his partner to repay the loan, or to foreclose on their office building. But regulators came up with a third solution. After reappraising the building, regulators decided it wasn't worth as much as was owed for it. The regulators reduced the amount owed by Bush and his partner from $4.56 million to just $500,000. The pair paid that amount and were allowed to keep their office building. Taxpayers picked up the tab for the unpaid $4 million.


    Jeb on same sex marriage
    http://www.businessinsider.com/jeb-bush-on-the-issues-2014-10
    ...Bush appears to more or less have adopted the standard Republican platform on social issues like abortion and same-sex marriages...

    ...In 2006, Bush said he was leaning towards constitutional a ban on gay marriages


    Jeb on protections for gay people...
    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2014/12/16/jeb-bush-who-called-same-sex-marriage-a-distraction-hints-at-2016-presidential-run/
    Bush opposed hate crime legislation protecting gay people from discrimination. “I don’t believe we need to create another category of victims,”


    Jeb on medical marijuana
    http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/stateroundup/jeb-bush-i-strongly-urge-floridians-to-vote-against-medical-marijuana/2192929
    Jeb Bush: 'I strongly urge' Floridians to vote against medical marijuana


    Jeb on taking funding from public schools to further violate separation of church and state:
    https://www.au.org/church-state/march-2008-church-state/au-bulletin/jeb-bush-pushes-florida-school-vouchers
    ...Jeb Bush has kept up an intense push for a statewide private school voucher program...

    ...a state constitutional amendment that would allow public funding of religious schools and other institutions

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    Dec 16, 2014 7:44 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    I think that Jeb Bush would make a very decent US president and he would be a definite shoo in if the democrats are stupid enough to nominate the hapless Hillary ho as their 2016 candidate. I would also love if Michigan Governor Rick Snyder threw his hat into the ring because I love his tough love fiscal policies. He would be an awesome president as well because he would administer the same tough love fiscal policies on our deeply indebted federal government which is long overdue.


    How about both on the ticket. Although I think Michigan really needs Rick Snyder for a while.

    Jeb is and has been my first choice.
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    Dec 16, 2014 10:47 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidI think that it's awesome that he is running. Jeb is not George HW, and he's not George W...I think he deserves to be judged on his own merits. I'm going to look at him with an open-mind and see what he has to say and how he shapes up as a candidate and stacks up against the others. I think Jeb Bush will be more than capable of holding his own and prove a formidable candidate.

    Then again, maybe the exploratory committee will find he is simply unelectable. Too early to tell. Should be interesting to watch regardless.

    The Tea Party base will not permit him to be a candidate
    1) Common Core: he is associated with it, will not denounce it, and in fact was one of its progenitors---I almost hate myself for saying this, but he has actually demonstrated adherence to principle here
    2) Immigration: He's married to the Mexican lady---do you think he will ever get onboard with the whole "deport everyone, ask questions never" crowd?

    Nope, there will be no Jebbie nominee---I suspect even he knows that; take a look at the kind of investments he's been involved in the past few years; as a candidate, he'd get eaten alive over their---er---questionable legality
  • tj85016

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    Dec 16, 2014 10:54 PM GMT
    Its not Jeb I'm worried about, It's the screwballs the Reps will force him to name to his cabinet that worry me
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    Dec 16, 2014 11:34 PM GMT
    Sharkspeare said
    CuriousJockAZ saidI think that it's awesome that he is running. Jeb is not George HW, and he's not George W...I think he deserves to be judged on his own merits. I'm going to look at him with an open-mind and see what he has to say and how he shapes up as a candidate and stacks up against the others. I think Jeb Bush will be more than capable of holding his own and prove a formidable candidate.

    Then again, maybe the exploratory committee will find he is simply unelectable. Too early to tell. Should be interesting to watch regardless.

    The Tea Party base will not permit him to be a candidate
    1) Common Core: he is associated with it, will not denounce it, and in fact was one of its progenitors---I almost hate myself for saying this, but he has actually demonstrated adherence to principle here
    2) Immigration: He's married to the Mexican lady---do you think he will ever get onboard with the whole "deport everyone, ask questions never" crowd?

    Nope, there will be no Jebbie nominee---I suspect even he knows that; take a look at the kind of investments he's been involved in the past few years; as a candidate, he'd get eaten alive over their---er---questionable legality


    The big problem is Columba. She wants nothing to do with being first lady. English skills aren't that good and due to that she's very self conscious in public. Of course that made Jeb's Spanish skills much better. And we have that little incident back in 1999.

    Too bad as I think he would be a good POTUS.
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    Dec 17, 2014 4:07 AM GMT
    theantijock said

    Jeb on same sex marriage
    http://www.businessinsider.com/jeb-bush-on-the-issues-2014-10
    ...Bush appears to more or less have adopted the standard Republican platform on social issues like abortion and same-sex marriages...

    ...In 2006, Bush said he was leaning towards constitutional a ban on gay marriages




    I'm pretty certain that our current President was against same-sex marriage in 2006 too. I'm giving Jeb Bush the benefit of the doubt that his opinions on such things have "evolved" by 2014 like the current President's have.
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    Dec 17, 2014 4:09 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said

    If it's Bush vs Clinton, Clinton wins.

    If it's Bush vs Warren, it will be very, very close.



    Way to early to make any kind of real prediction since a whole lot can, and will, happen between now and Nov 2016
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    Dec 17, 2014 4:54 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    southbeach1500 said

    If it's Bush vs Clinton, Clinton wins.

    If it's Bush vs Warren, it will be very, very close.



    Way to early to make any kind of real prediction since a whole lot can, and will, happen between now and Nov 2016

    The Bush name is toxic, plus with Clinton running, the whole "first woman" meme will be powerful.
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    Dec 17, 2014 5:06 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    theantijock said

    Jeb on same sex marriage
    http://www.businessinsider.com/jeb-bush-on-the-issues-2014-10
    ...Bush appears to more or less have adopted the standard Republican platform on social issues like abortion and same-sex marriages...

    ...In 2006, Bush said he was leaning towards constitutional a ban on gay marriages




    I'm pretty certain that our current President was against same-sex marriage in 2006 too. I'm giving Jeb Bush the benefit of the doubt that his opinions on such things have "evolved" by 2014 like the current President's have.


    Not at the level of modifying The Constitution of the United States of America.

    There is no benefit in doubting that. It is the ultimate outrage, to write into the supreme law of the land a violation of human rights.

    And I don't just find your guy disgusting for that. I also found the Democrats supporting Crist to be equally putrid. Anyone supporting that should be ashamed. It is unacceptable.
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    Dec 17, 2014 3:06 PM GMT
    Well, well, well...."if people are hit over the head hard and long enough, eventually they'll forget they're being hit at all."

    John Hill says: "let's look at the Busch legacy, shall we:"

    "A REMINDER WHERE WE WERE IN 2001(required for Republicans who woke up in 2009)!

    Or Republicans creating poverty, outsourcing 30 million jobs, and, 80% of private industry..

    AP) President Bush said Saturday that the most important number in the budget he sends to Congress next week is the $5.6 trillion surplus it projects over the next 10 years.

    That huge projected surplus provides the underpinning of all the administration's tax-cut and spending plans, Mr. Bush said in his recorded weekly radio address.

    "A surplus in tax revenue, after all, means that taxpayers have been overcharged," the president said. "And usually when you've been overcharged, you expect to get something back." The surplus figure "counts more than any other" in the budget, he said.

    Democrats cautioned that "surpluses projected over so long a period can turn into elusive fool's gold. And they continued to insist that as it stands the Bush tax-cut plan unfairly favors the wealthy over those of more modest means."

    Yes, we were on schedule to be debt free by 2011, paying off the Reagan debt! Instead Republicans used up the $5.6 trillion surplus, they acknowledged(and now try to deny), and turned that into $6 trillion in new debt (an $11.6 trillion swing) and, then on top of that handed Obama $1.7 trillion deficit and $12 trillion in new projected debt (instead of $8 trillion in surplus) over the next decade, a $31.5 trillion debt increase) along with losing 822K jobs per month; 60,000 closed factories; no private sector jobs created in a decade; ½ of high tech jobs outsourced, and, 15% of the economy GONE.

    A minus one million private sector jobs created under Bush when the norm would be 23 million, plus, a 300% increases in energy, food and health insurance.

    Since 1980, in net Republicans have created NO private sector Jobs, only wage declines.

    Trickle down, supply side, deregulation is the same failure as in 1890s and account for 96% of our DEBT.

    Obama has achieved: from losing 822K jobs per month to gaining 321K jobs per month.

    Stock market up 11,000 points, more than under all Republicans combined.

    US auto industry saved, 1/2 of what little private industry we had left. Republicans said it could not be saved in a decade, took 2 years.

    Corporate profit rates twice as high as under Reagan, (highest ever), but per Republicans we need lower wages which are the lowest ever as a percent of GDP or Corp revenue, and, in a recession 5 times deeper than under Reagan.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/adamhartung/2014/09/05/obama-outperforms-reagan-on-jobs-growth-and-investing/

    Under Obama Bush deficit reduced by 63%.

    Every Republican after IKE has increased deficits as a percent pf GDP - Every DEM starting with Truman has decreased them.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-201_162-274334.html/
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    Dec 17, 2014 3:31 PM GMT
    libertpaulian said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    southbeach1500 said

    If it's Bush vs Clinton, Clinton wins.

    If it's Bush vs Warren, it will be very, very close.



    Way to early to make any kind of real prediction since a whole lot can, and will, happen between now and Nov 2016

    The Bush name is toxic, plus with Clinton running, the whole "first woman" meme will be powerful.


    The 'first women president' will have impact, but after 'O' I don't think the Bush name will be nearly as toxic as you think. Plus, it's Jeb running, not H.W. or W.

    Just remember all of the wild predictions here on RJ that we would be a permanent minority, not all that long ago, and then look at what happened November 14. That being said, I think Hillary will be very hard to beat.
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    Dec 17, 2014 3:41 PM GMT
    B787 saidWell, well, well...."if people are hit over the head hard and long enough, eventually they'll forget they're being hit at all."

    John Hill says: "let's look at the Busch legacy, shall we:"

    "A REMINDER WHERE WE WERE IN 2001(required for Republicans who woke up in 2009)!

    Or Republicans creating poverty, outsourcing 30 million jobs, and, 80% of private industry..

    AP) President Bush said Saturday that the most important number in the budget he sends to Congress next week is the $5.6 trillion surplus it projects over the next 10 years.

    That huge projected surplus provides the underpinning of all the administration's tax-cut and spending plans, Mr. Bush said in his recorded weekly radio address.

    "A surplus in tax revenue, after all, means that taxpayers have been overcharged," the president said. "And usually when you've been overcharged, you expect to get something back." The surplus figure "counts more than any other" in the budget, he said.

    Democrats cautioned that "surpluses projected over so long a period can turn into elusive fool's gold. And they continued to insist that as it stands the Bush tax-cut plan unfairly favors the wealthy over those of more modest means."

    Yes, we were on schedule to be debt free by 2011, paying off the Reagan debt! Instead Republicans used up the $5.6 trillion surplus, they acknowledged(and now try to deny), and turned that into $6 trillion in new debt (an $11.6 trillion swing) and, then on top of that handed Obama $1.7 trillion deficit and $12 trillion in new projected debt (instead of $8 trillion in surplus) over the next decade, a $31.5 trillion debt increase) along with losing 822K jobs per month; 60,000 closed factories; no private sector jobs created in a decade; ½ of high tech jobs outsourced, and, 15% of the economy GONE.

    A minus one million private sector jobs created under Bush when the norm would be 23 million, plus, a 300% increases in energy, food and health insurance.

    Since 1980, in net Republicans have created NO private sector Jobs, only wage declines.

    Trickle down, supply side, deregulation is the same failure as in 1890s and account for 96% of our DEBT.

    Obama has achieved: from losing 822K jobs per month to gaining 321K jobs per month.

    Stock market up 11,000 points, more than under all Republicans combined.

    US auto industry saved, 1/2 of what little private industry we had left. Republicans said it could not be saved in a decade, took 2 years.

    Corporate profit rates twice as high as under Reagan, (highest ever), but per Republicans we need lower wages which are the lowest ever as a percent of GDP or Corp revenue, and, in a recession 5 times deeper than under Reagan.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/adamhartung/2014/09/05/obama-outperforms-reagan-on-jobs-growth-and-investing/

    Under Obama Bush deficit reduced by 63%.

    Every Republican after IKE has increased deficits as a percent pf GDP - Every DEM starting with Truman has decreased them.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-201_162-274334.html/



    Another extreme partisan homosexual lefty ^^^^^^. No news there.

    Too many 'errors' in the above to address .... again.

    Bush 2016
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    Dec 17, 2014 4:04 PM GMT
    I don't have a problem with Bush III, but I'd prefer WI's Scott Walker a/o Chris Christie. It's going to be fun watching Fauxcahontas on the warpath against Hillary, and I'd put my money on the latter getting scalped.
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    MGINSD saidI don't have a problem with Bush III, but I'd prefer WI's Scott Walker a/o Chris Christie. It's going to be fun watching Fauxcahontas on the warpath against Hillary, and I'd put my money on the latter getting scalped.


    I'll take Bush / Snyder 2016, but I wouldn't complain at all about Bush / Walker. However, I think Walker's time for POTUS is still a couple of cycles down the road.
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    Dec 17, 2014 6:43 PM GMT
    I don't want another Clinton or another Bush. I'm sick of political dynasties.
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    Dec 18, 2014 3:16 AM GMT
    The Bush name is still too toxic. Plus he's too liberal to win the nomination as republicans are increasingly marching right.
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    Dec 18, 2014 5:19 AM GMT
    libertpaulian said
    The Bush name is toxic, plus with Clinton running, the whole "first woman" meme will be powerful.


    I tend to think that the "Bush Name Is Toxic" is a cop-out excuse that will hold way less weight after 8 years of "Anyone BUT Bush". We need a good president, and whether it's a Bush, a Clinton, a man, a woman, or an unknown who comes out of nowhere, America should stay open-minded.

    Personally, I'm hoping Jon Huntsman re-emerges (maybe even as an independent) with finer honed campaign skills and a winning game plan in 2016.
  • thadjock

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    Dec 18, 2014 5:54 AM GMT
    Sharkspeare said
    Nope, there will be no Jebbie nominee---


    this^

    The Bush dynasty has much bigger fish to fry than owning POTUS again. the office of the president is totally meaningless in politics today, big money runs the show in the back office now, buying legislators and staffers and votes.

    Being president is a nuisance, they'll install some rope-a-dope clown like Ted Cruz or mitt romney to distract the media, and then the shadow government will proceed to complete the conversion to fascism.
  • AMoonHawk

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    Dec 18, 2014 6:48 AM GMT
    Should I throw up now or wait until it is official?
  • musclmed

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    Dec 18, 2014 7:13 AM GMT
    B787 saidWell, well, well...."if people are hit over the head hard and long enough, eventually they'll forget they're being hit at all."

    John Hill says: "let's look at the Busch legacy, shall we:"

    "A REMINDER WHERE WE WERE IN 2001(required for Republicans who woke up in 2009)!

    Or Republicans creating poverty, outsourcing 30 million jobs, and, 80% of private industry..

    AP) President Bush said Saturday that the most important number in the budget he sends to Congress next week is the $5.6 trillion surplus it projects over the next 10 years.

    That huge projected surplus provides the underpinning of all the administration's tax-cut and spending plans, Mr. Bush said in his recorded weekly radio address.

    "A surplus in tax revenue, after all, means that taxpayers have been overcharged," the president said. "And usually when you've been overcharged, you expect to get something back." The surplus figure "counts more than any other" in the budget, he said.

    Democrats cautioned that "surpluses projected over so long a period can turn into elusive fool's gold. And they continued to insist that as it stands the Bush tax-cut plan unfairly favors the wealthy over those of more modest means."

    Yes, we were on schedule to be debt free by 2011, paying off the Reagan debt! Instead Republicans used up the $5.6 trillion surplus, they acknowledged(and now try to deny), and turned that into $6 trillion in new debt (an $11.6 trillion swing) and, then on top of that handed Obama $1.7 trillion deficit and $12 trillion in new projected debt (instead of $8 trillion in surplus) over the next decade, a $31.5 trillion debt increase) along with losing 822K jobs per month; 60,000 closed factories; no private sector jobs created in a decade; ½ of high tech jobs outsourced, and, 15% of the economy GONE.

    A minus one million private sector jobs created under Bush when the norm would be 23 million, plus, a 300% increases in energy, food and health insurance.

    Since 1980, in net Republicans have created NO private sector Jobs, only wage declines.

    Trickle down, supply side, deregulation is the same failure as in 1890s and account for 96% of our DEBT.

    Obama has achieved: from losing 822K jobs per month to gaining 321K jobs per month.

    Stock market up 11,000 points, more than under all Republicans combined.

    US auto industry saved, 1/2 of what little private industry we had left. Republicans said it could not be saved in a decade, took 2 years.

    Corporate profit rates twice as high as under Reagan, (highest ever), but per Republicans we need lower wages which are the lowest ever as a percent of GDP or Corp revenue, and, in a recession 5 times deeper than under Reagan.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/adamhartung/2014/09/05/obama-outperforms-reagan-on-jobs-growth-and-investing/

    Under Obama Bush deficit reduced by 63%.

    Every Republican after IKE has increased deficits as a percent pf GDP - Every DEM starting with Truman has decreased them.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-201_162-274334.html/


    Not a very smart or enlightened post. In this country we do not have dynasties and each person stands on his own.

    So President Bush, I or II have no relevance to Jeb Bush in policy matters.

    In kind Hilary Clinton should not be tagged with any policy her husband put forth.
  • hebrewman

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    Dec 18, 2014 11:17 AM GMT
    AMoonHawk saidShould I throw up now or wait until it is official?


    ++1
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    Dec 18, 2014 1:15 PM GMT
    AMoonHawk saidShould I throw up now or wait until it is official?


    NOW !!!!