Discrimination against binational couples

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    Jan 19, 2009 3:22 PM GMT
    Do you know this?: Although 19 nations around the world allow their citizens to sponsor their same sex partners for immigration benefits, unfortunately, the United States does not recognize our relationships for immigration purposes. Because of the Defense of Marriage Act, which defines marriage as between a man and a woman, even same sex couples which have been legally married in Massachusetts, California, Canada, the Netherlands, or Belgium, will not be able to immigrate based on their marriage. Around the world, activists are stepping up to demand passage of Uniting American Families Act (UAFA). Join a growing cadre of fair-minded people, from Australia to Alaska to demand equal immigration rights for same-sex couples. Anything less is un-American. We will pass the (UAFA), but together we will pass it sooner. Will you support the UAFA? If so go to the website and sign. Spread the word.

    http://org2.democracyinaction.org/o/5036/t/1978/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=215

    Thank you.
    A.J.
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    Jan 19, 2009 3:45 PM GMT
    Not to be too pedantic, but that would be "discrimination *against* [same-sex] binational couples"; it is discrimination *towards*/*for* mixed-sex binational couples.

    Prejudice goes both ways - privileging or disadvantaging a group.
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    Jan 19, 2009 4:00 PM GMT
    Robbievienna; you`re right. Thanks.
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    Jan 19, 2009 4:01 PM GMT
    Thank you for this information !!! I understand that Obama may do away with the defense of marriage act. Can he do it by executive order? It seems that I read recently he can do so.
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    Jan 19, 2009 4:13 PM GMT
    Reallifedad: The federal government will one day recognize same-sex marriage. A challenge to Defense of Marriage Act( DOMA) , passed in 1996 and signed into law by President Clinton, is likely to come and likely to succeed, but we cannot wait for this challenge to succeed. The federal government should recognize same-sex relationships for immigration purposes immediately and the UAFA provides this ability.
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    Jan 19, 2009 4:16 PM GMT
    I don't expect this change soon - though I would like to see it.

    Either that or deny legalization benefit for "real" marriages. Meanwhile, if there's a lesbian out there who needs to marry a guy to stay with her American partner, I'd consider it!
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    Jan 19, 2009 6:17 PM GMT
    The main reason my partner and I do not live in my home nation is that we are a binational couple affected by this issue.
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    Jan 19, 2009 7:55 PM GMT
    Twenty one years ago I enter a sham marriage with a lesbian American girl in order to gain a green card to live in United States (I pay her to do it). The real reason I do it is because I want to be with my real bf who is an American gay citizen. The marriage is of course illegal and by law me and her can be imprison for 2 years if provern guilty. Upon marrying her I was given a two years temporary green card and I need to re-apply for a permenant one after 2 years of marriage. We need to come up with the prove of marriage like a birth certificate of child born between us , evidence of living together and etc. The marriage for obvious reason was never consumated and we grow to hate each more and more each day.

    A few months latter she ditch the whole arrangement and moved to Arizona never to be heard of again. Without her , I have no way but to leave the USA upon the expiration of the temporary green card, my bf and all those dream I have of life with him and fly home. .Unless she annul this marriage without my knowledge or no longer alive we are still legally marriage (in USA at least) .

    The day that I say goodbye to my ex bf Jerry got to be the saddest day of my life. Eventhough I would say, I didnt regret coming home and my life turn to be so much better than my life in the USA (proffesionally at least), but it was so unfair that my other straight friend can marriage thier American spouses and live there. Sometimes I wonder how different my life would have been if I indeed succesfully became USA national and live together with Jerry in Michigan now.

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    Jan 19, 2009 11:12 PM GMT
    This happens a lot. Ordinary people are pushed to measures they would NEVER take except they do it for love. The real cruelty of this system is perfectly described here. How unfathomable and cold that our nation, a nation that should be a beacon of welcome, exposed you to the worst we have to offer.

    Love should not be repaid with cruelty.




    zakariahzol saidTwenty one years ago I enter a sham marriage with a lesbian American girl in order to gain a green card to live in United States (I pay her to do it). The real reason I do it is because I want to be with my real bf who is an American gay citizen. The marriage is of course illegal and by law me and her can be imprison for 2 years if provern guilty. Upon marrying her I was given a two years temporary green card and I need to re-apply for a permenant one after 2 years of marriage. We need to come up with the prove of marriage like a birth certificate of child born between us , evidence of living together and etc. The marriage for obvious reason was never consumated and we grow to hate each more and more each day.

    A few months latter she ditch the whole arrangement and moved to Arizona never to be heard of again. Without her , I have no way but to leave the USA upon the expiration of the temporary green card, my bf and all those dream I have of life with him and fly home. .Unless she annul this marriage without my knowledge or no longer alive we are still legally marriage (in USA at least) .

    The day that I say goodbye to my ex bf Jerry got to be the saddest day of my life. Eventhough I would say, I didnt regret coming home and my life turn to be so much better than my life in the USA (proffesionally at least), but it was so unfair that my other straight friend can marriage thier American spouses and live there. Sometimes I wonder how different my life would have been if I indeed succesfully became USA national and live together with Jerry in Michigan now.

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    Jan 19, 2009 11:34 PM GMT
    I just went to a going-away party last night for a friend's partner. He was in the U.S. for six months but had to return to Mexico.
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    Jan 19, 2009 11:48 PM GMT
    *sigh*

    DoMA really needs to fucking go. It's the most idiotic law ever created, and a blatant intrusion of religion into matters of the state. I don't really even care if they call it Civil Unions as long as the same sex couples receive full and equal rights as heterosexual 'marriages'. What's so fucking special about that word anyway.
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    Jan 20, 2009 12:30 AM GMT
    I'm lucky that not alot in life bothers me or gets to me!

    But If I was to pick an issue, it would be that as A true blue Aussie, six generations born to Oz. That newcomers to oz, people "only one, two or three generations; new comers to Oz, get More rights than I do. A True Blue Aussie; the real thing and not some cheap import.

    Things like having the right to bring loved ones into oz.

    But then A gay who just got off the boat to live in Melbourne, would have more rights than I do here. He would be able to commit to his loved one, if he found one, and enjoy all the benefits that come with it.

    But I have two long term relationships, and one of my men is in Moscow. So it wont be until, I can have him here too, and have the rite too wed both my men, that I will even have the same rights of a gay in Oz, not even born here, But now lives here.
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    Jan 20, 2009 2:48 AM GMT
    ursamajor saidThe main reason my partner and I do not live in my home nation is that we are a binational couple affected by this issue.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would you come home if this issue was resolved?>>>>>>>>>> if so, my area of the country is really beautiful, and the cost of living is low as well, I'd love to have more gay couples around here !!! Not much in the line of fancy wines in the area, but i could share some "apple pie" flavored moonshine with you though now and then !!!! :-) lol !! So you keep that in mind !!!
  • nick_delta

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    Aug 03, 2009 10:53 AM GMT
    Sorry to hijack this topic - I just really need some advice here.
    We are a Gay couple, my friend being Canadian and currently living and working in Canada. Im Indian by birth but of mixed origin (mostly refferred to as Anglo Indian here). We spend time together whenever my friend has work or business in India. Thus ever since he changed jobs his trips to India have now reduced to almost zero. We dont want to live apart and thus have been exploring the possibilities of us getting married. We know that this is possible
    only in Canada and not in India. With this in mind i would appreciate any advice extended. I am a Hospitality Professional and thus am wondering if it will be possible for me to get a job in a Hotel there, i am open to any entry level job and am hard working so will work my way up. My main intention is to be with my partner and so in this regard i would like to clarify what are the steps we need to take to move in the direction of marriage and what would its implications be. I had also planned to apply for immigration but need to know how our marriage will help in this regard or what further steps i need to take. Please advise. I really appreciate any advice on how to move forward. Please pm me here with any thoughts you guys have.
    Thanks and Regards,
    Nick.
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    Aug 03, 2009 11:56 AM GMT
    The link is,

    http://org2.democracyinaction.org/o/5036/t/1978/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=215

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    Aug 03, 2009 11:59 AM GMT
    You guys need an immigration attorney in Canada before taking any such step. No matter how open the society, the legislation is never as straightforward as it may appear. Likewise, there are usually precise procedures and applications that need to be followed before you relocate. Some of those documents may need, for example, to be applied for at the Canadian Embassy in Delhi or Mumbai. You would not want to find yourself in Canada, not having filled out the right form, and having to return home to start all over again.




    nick_delta saidSorry to hijack this topic - I just really need some advise here.
    We are a Gay couple, my friend being Canadian and currently living and working in Canada. Im Indian by birth but of mixed origin (mostly refferred to as Anglo Indian here). We spend time together whenever my friend has work or business in India. Thus ever since he changed jobs his trips to India have now reduced to almost zero. We dont want to live apart and thus have been exploring the possibilities of us getting married. We know that this is possible
    only in Canada and not in India. With this in mind i would appreciate any advise extended. I am a Hospitality Professional and thus am wondering if it will be possible for me to get a job in a Hotel there, i am open to any entry level job and am hard working so will work my way up. My main intention is to be with my partner and so in this regard i would like to clarify what are the steps we need to take to move in the direction of marriage and what would its implications be. I had also planned to apply for immigration but need to know how our marriage will help in this regard or what further steps i need to take. Please advise. I really appreciate any advise on how to move forward.
    Thanks and Regards,
    Nick.
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    Aug 03, 2009 3:24 PM GMT


    Here you go, Nick- get your Canadian man to fill out this free assessment, and see what it says as a result. He can probably fill it out as though he has married you here in Canada to see what more is required.

    http://www.borderconnections.com/family-class-assessment.html


    For both of you, please read the following FIRST:



    http://www.borderconnections.com/same-sex-immigration.html

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    Aug 03, 2009 3:29 PM GMT
    Thank you for letting us know about this.

    Good job.
  • nick_delta

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    Aug 03, 2009 4:20 PM GMT
    Thanks "UrsaMajor" that site was very helpful, am sending an email to Legit right now. Do pray for things to work out for us. Thanks for all your advice and help, Hugs, Nick.
  • nick_delta

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    Aug 03, 2009 4:25 PM GMT
    Thanks so much "meninlove", i really appreciate all you guys helping out, Thanks a Ton, Hugs, Nick.