U.S., Cuba Seek To Normalize Relations

  • metta

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    Dec 17, 2014 6:19 PM GMT
    U.S., Cuba Seek To Normalize Relations

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/17/us-cuba-talks_n_6340468.html

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/18/world/americas/us-cuba-relations.html
  • metta

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    Dec 17, 2014 7:36 PM GMT

    White House Credits Pope Francis For Facilitating Cuba Deal


    The pope sent an extraordinary letter to both Obama and Castro over the summer. The letter “gave us greater impetus and momentum for us to move forward,” the administration official said.

    "Francis played a big role in bringing the longtime rivals to the negotiating table, the official said. Francis sent what was characterized as an extraordinary personal letter to Obama and Cuban President Raul Castro over the summer, urging both parties to end their frosty relationship. Following the letter, and the negotiations, Obama and Castro had a phone conversation that helped lead to Wednesday’s announcement.

    The letter “gave us greater impetus and momentum for us to move forward,” the administration official said. The Vatican was the only government that participated in the negotiations between the U.S. and Cuba. Vatican officials were “in those meetings,” the official said."

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/evanmcsan/white-house-credits-pope-francis-for-facilitating-cuba-deal
  • Destinharbor

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    Dec 17, 2014 7:45 PM GMT
    It was always an insane policy. Looks like Obama has decided to use his last couple of years doing some things he should have done earlier.
  • WrestlerBoy

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    Dec 17, 2014 8:35 PM GMT
    From my RJ profile:

    "I'm a United Stateser: We're all "Americans", from Alaska to Tierra del Fuego. As José Martí wrote, "La América es Una!"

    As such, let's end the genocidal U.S. Embargo against the people of Cuba, our American neighbors who have never done us any harm."

    What a great, great day.
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    Dec 17, 2014 9:29 PM GMT
    And the world laments the loss of one of the nicest island getaways free of American tourists. icon_lol.gif
  • tj85016

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    Dec 17, 2014 10:13 PM GMT
    Cuba got used as a pawn in the Cold War

    But we have no problem buying the WalMart crap from the pricks in China
  • WrestlerBoy

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    Dec 18, 2014 12:22 AM GMT
    pouncer said
    WrestlerBoy saidFrom my RJ profile:

    "I'm a United Stateser: We're all "Americans", from Alaska to Tierra del Fuego. As José Martí wrote, "La América es Una!"

    As such, let's end the genocidal U.S. Embargo against the people of Cuba, our American neighbors who have never done us any harm."

    What a great, great day.

    Aside from one reservation of necessity (this is Obama after all and one should never underestimate his capacity for emptiness and cynicism), what he said.


    And what would you actually "know" about...Cuba?

    As usual....nothing. icon_biggrin.gif
  • WrestlerBoy

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    Dec 18, 2014 1:28 AM GMT
    pouncer saidI happen to know a lot about Cuba. But by all means, make my day... icon_surprised.gif



    Really? What's the name of the famous bar to the left of the main entrance to the FOCSA? And what's the owner's name?
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    Dec 18, 2014 3:37 AM GMT
    It's about fuckin time!

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    Cuba has been the victim of US propaganda, military intervention, and pointless bullying. Despite all our vilification, Cuba enjoys better healthcare, education, gender equality, and overall happiness that most of the world US included.
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    Dec 18, 2014 3:46 AM GMT
    Always been a somewhat mystery meanwhile bending over and lubing up for China.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Dec 18, 2014 5:09 AM GMT
    I never understood why we thought it was doing ANYONE any good to hold a grudge for so long anyway. This seems like a step in the right direction. Kudos to Obama for pushing for this change.
  • musclmed

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    Dec 18, 2014 6:43 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidI never understood why we thought it was doing ANYONE and good to hold a grudge for so long anyway. This seems like a step in the right direction. Kudos to Obama for pushing for this change.


    I think Obama is searching for a legacy. However the opposite legacy is solidifying before his eyes.
    Since Congress is unlikely to reverse the Cuban embargo this move has little effect. In fact it appears that Obama had not even consulted or solicited support of even Democrats on this matter. ( see Sen Menedez press conference). Expect more of these Executive temper tantrums in the next two years.

    I wonder who will be chosen for ambassador? Another soap opera producer?

    Whats worrisome is that an innocent aid worker seems equivalent to 3 Cuban spies?

    I am surprised there was no mention of Cuba's superior medical care in Obama's speech.

  • WrestlerBoy

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    Dec 18, 2014 10:42 AM GMT
    vballboy12 saidIt's about fuckin time!

    Vivacuba.gif

    Cuba has been the victim of US propaganda, military intervention, and pointless bullying. Despite all our vilification, Cuba enjoys better healthcare, education, gender equality, and overall happiness that most of the world US included.


    Hear, hear!
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    Dec 18, 2014 11:55 AM GMT
    vballboy12 saidIt's about fuckin time!

    Vivacuba.gif

    Cuba has been the victim of US propaganda, military intervention, and pointless bullying. Despite all our vilification, Cuba enjoys better healthcare, education, gender equality, and overall happiness that most of the world US included.


    Word. No wonder so many Americans desperately try to sail and swim from Florida into Castro's prison each year. Oh wait, it's the other way around, my bad.

    Cuba is a vile but underestimated country. They have done a better job at surviving the Cold War than Russia itself. They may be poor, but their leadership is incredibly organized and has spearheaded a red wave throughout Latin America that gave the people of that continent such wonders as Maduro or Rousseff. Not to mention their support for the FARC and the devastation and chaos those pricks caused in parts of Colombia.

    Communists are the absolute scum of the earth. Now let's see how many Cubans will actually benefit from this lift on the embargo. But in a country where people aren't allowed to open their own business apart from some very rare and tightly controlled exceptions, I have a feeling Libreta de Abastecimiento and shortage of soap will still be common things in the lives of Cubans. Let's wait and see what's the next bogeyman to take the blame for their failures.
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    Dec 18, 2014 12:14 PM GMT
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    vballboy12 saidIt's about fuckin time!

    Vivacuba.gif

    Cuba has been the victim of US propaganda, military intervention, and pointless bullying. Despite all our vilification, Cuba enjoys better healthcare, education, gender equality, and overall happiness that most of the world US included.


    Word. No wonder so many Americans desperately try to sail and swim from Florida into Castro's prison each year. Oh wait, it's the other way around, my bad.

    Cuba is a vile but underestimated country. They have done a better job at surviving the Cold War than Russia itself. They may be poor, but their leadership is incredibly organized and has spearheaded a red wave throughout Latin America that gave the people of that continent such wonders as Maduro or Rousseff. Not to mention their support for the FARC and the devastation and chaos those pricks caused in parts of Colombia.

    Communists are the absolute scum of the earth. Now let's see how many Cubans will actually benefit from this lift on the embargo. But in a country where people aren't allowed to open their own business apart from some very rare and tightly controlled exceptions, I have a feeling Libreta de Abastecimiento and shortage of soap will still be common things in the lives of Cubans. Let's wait and see what's the next bogeyman to take the blame for their failures.


    Yes, indeed. As you well know, Cuba has been hosting the peace talks between the Colombian government and the FARC, under the auspices of other such crazy and radical countries such as... Norway.

    You're so out of touch it's... funny? icon_biggrin.gif
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    Dec 18, 2014 12:32 PM GMT
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    Yes, indeed. As you well know, Cuba has been hosting the peace talks between the Colombian government and the FARC, under the auspices of other such crazy and radical countries such as... Norway.

    You're so out of touch it's... funny? icon_biggrin.gif


    Of course. Like the good shit-eating communists they are, they had no choice but to start peace talks after getting the shit kicked out of them by Uribe. It was either that or seeing their terrorist movement slowly die away in the jungle. Defection after defection, death after death. The peace talks will at least give these cretins some leverage so they can legitimize themselves and occupy posts within the Colombian government.

    The fact that Norway is involved in this doesn't surprise me at all. The whole of Scandinavia has a history of flirting with the extreme left.



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    Dec 18, 2014 2:17 PM GMT
    AaronH20P said
    vballboy12 saidIt's about fuckin time!

    Vivacuba.gif

    Cuba has been the victim of US propaganda, military intervention, and pointless bullying. Despite all our vilification, Cuba enjoys better healthcare, education, gender equality, and overall happiness that most of the world US included.


    Word. No wonder so many Americans desperately try to sail and swim from Florida into Castro's prison each year. Oh wait, it's the other way around, my bad.


    "When asked why they decided to leave their homes, Cubans talked about the difficult living conditions. They mentioned the lack of fresh vegetables and the rationing of rice and meat. They complained about unemployment and low wages. Some said that they were fed up with the police constantly watching them. "They ask for your I.D. card everywhere," said one boatlift refugee. "They're always watching you. People are afraid to talk.""

    Clearly these reasons to flee are problems exclusive to Communism and are not endemic to every city in the United States.
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    Dec 18, 2014 3:41 PM GMT
    In Democrat controlled cities, maybe.

    http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2014/03/12/fbi-releases-2013-most-dangerous-cities-and-theyre-all-run-by-democrats-n1807969
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    Dec 18, 2014 5:07 PM GMT
    We opened up relations with China...why can't we with Cuba?

    Hell we deal with theocratic Saudi Arabia, and most of their citizens were the 9/11 attackers...