Cuba and USA to normalize relations

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    Dec 17, 2014 7:33 PM GMT
    Pert near time I'd say. I fully support this.


    http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/cuba-releases-alan-gross/2014/12/17/id/613526/
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    Dec 17, 2014 7:45 PM GMT
    Rubio, give it a rest after 55 years


    http://www.aol.com/article/2014/12/17/senator-marco-rubio-pledges-to-block-efforts-to-normalize-cuba-r/21117707/
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    Dec 17, 2014 7:51 PM GMT
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/17/cuban-cigars-legal_n_6341576.html

    This would make Bill Clinton very happy
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    Dec 18, 2014 12:00 PM GMT
    ^
    I love seeing cons squirm.

    President Obama is acting within his legal authority. He has tried to work with GOP cluster fucks, but it's difficult when they won't act to wipe their own assholes under Obama out of fear that it'll look like they're bipartisan.

    King W. Bush did far worse than President Obama has ever done, most of it under the guise of protecting the country from terrorists.
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    Dec 18, 2014 2:48 PM GMT
    Great, maybe the hipsters will go there instead.
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    Dec 18, 2014 3:28 PM GMT
    its only talk, never happen.
    historically this has been brought up before


    it would be a great thing for the families.
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    Dec 18, 2014 8:27 PM GMT
    It's been my understanding that it's the Cuban Americans that fled Castro are historically anti-Castro and against normalizing relations with Cuba. Perhaps that attitude has changed with younger Americans of Cuban ancestry.
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    Dec 18, 2014 8:49 PM GMT
    I think it's a great thing. I'm a little hazy on Cuba - US history but Kennedy ordered the Bay of Pigs attack right because everyone hated Fidel Castro??? Hm, time changes, people change. It's okay to embrace them now. The US historically have embargo and sanctions towards other countries then it lifted the embargo. (ex. Vietnam). Hm, I'm thinking in the next 2-3 years, we will lift the sanction against Russia, too.
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    Dec 18, 2014 9:02 PM GMT
    Cuba still has a lot of 'splainin' to do about the thousands Che Guevara killed as Castro's henchman, and all the property confiscated after the Communists seized power there, but I doubt that Obama will raise those issues w/ him. In fact, don't be surprised if he negotiates nothing w/ Cuba in exchange for looser trade and travel, which may be a good thing given Obama's dismal record on negotiating anything. This may all be a setup for Obama's eventual refusing to renew our lease on Gitmo, and looking towards Cuba as a[another] new base for Democratic voters. With him, appearances are always deceiving, and nothing proves to be as it is first portrayed.
  • tj85016

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    Dec 18, 2014 11:18 PM GMT
    Really? you guys are worried about Cuba when the US routinely does business on a daily basis with scum bags like Nigeria, China, India and Saudi Arabia? Really?
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    Dec 19, 2014 12:44 AM GMT
    tj85016 saidReally? you guys are worried about Cuba when the US routinely does business on a daily basis with scum bags like Nigeria, China, India and Saudi Arabia? Really?


    Honestly, I'm not. They're the least or our worries right now.
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    Dec 19, 2014 3:52 AM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    tj85016 saidReally? you guys are worried about Cuba when the US routinely does business on a daily basis with scum bags like Nigeria, China, India and Saudi Arabia? Really?


    Honestly, I'm not. They're the least or our worries right now.


    Really couldn't give a shit one way or another. I have no horse in this race.
  • HottJoe

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    Dec 19, 2014 9:58 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidWhether it is a good idea or not, once again Obama has acted without Congress. And... he waited until the day Congress went out of session.

    I loved watching Menendez (D-NJ) complaining about how the President should not have done this without coming to Congress. Menendez just a few days ago was praising Obama for proclaiming that 5 million illegals will get work papers.

    Don't these imbeciles know that the important point is that a President - ANY President - can't just make up laws that he wants?

    Obama has set so many bad precedents. So he declares the U.S. is going to open and embassy in Cuba, ease travel restrictions, change how much currency and how often currency can be transferred from the USA to Cuba. And lots more.

    Any future President now could decide unilaterally that we would close our embassy in for example the UK, impose restrictions on currency transfers to the UK, and cease diplomatic relations with the UK.

    Don't any of you libs get it?

    Haven't you heard that by executive order, Obama is King of the US now?icon_lol.gif
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    Dec 19, 2014 10:02 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    credo said
    President Obama is acting within his legal authority. He has tried to work with GOP cluster fucks, but it's difficult when they won't act to wipe their own assholes under Obama out of fear that it'll look like they're bipartisan.


    Obama's definition of anyone "working with him" is to just go along with whatever he says. And the Republican leadership has "worked with him" far too much.



    credo said
    King W. Bush did far worse than President Obama has ever done, most of it under the guise of protecting the country from terrorists.


    Uh... no.







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    Dec 20, 2014 2:50 AM GMT
    Cuba gave asylum to FBI 10 Most Wanted convicted cop killer Joanne Chesimard.

    http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2013/may/joanne-chesimard-first-woman-named-most-wanted-terrorists-list/joanne-chesimard-first-woman-named-to-most-wanted-terrorists-list

  • hebrewman

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    Dec 20, 2014 10:22 AM GMT
    i think it's great. i look forward to working the MIA-HAV shuttle. the bean counters at my AAirline are ready to pounce on landing rights from JFK, PHL, CLT, MIA & DFW.

    the auto industry is SALIVATING over this, as are collectors of vintage RUNNING automobiles.
  • hebrewman

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    Dec 20, 2014 10:23 AM GMT
    credo said^
    I love seeing cons squirm.

    President Obama is acting within his legal authority. He has tried to work with GOP cluster fucks, but it's difficult when they won't act to wipe their own assholes under Obama out of fear that it'll look like they're bipartisan.

    King W. Bush did far worse than President Obama has ever done, most of it under the guise of protecting the country from terrorists.


    +++++++++1
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    Dec 20, 2014 10:28 AM GMT
    mx5guynj saidCuba gave asylum to FBI 10 Most Wanted convicted cop killer Joanne Chesimard.

    http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2013/may/joanne-chesimard-first-woman-named-most-wanted-terrorists-list/joanne-chesimard-first-woman-named-to-most-wanted-terrorists-list



    and the "powers that be" area working on bringing her back to face charges. for gods sake, it's been less than 3 days on this. give things time to filter through the system. my partner worked for the DIA for nearly 40 years (retired 2 star). he explained to me that the US and CUBA have been 'talking' for decades. the rest of us "non gov" types just didn't know it. this is nothing new. normalizing relations is WELL WITHIN the power of the president.
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    Dec 20, 2014 12:13 PM GMT
    The US/Cuba dispute is a Cold War relic, which should have been sorted out years ago. The communist regime in Cuba certainly wasn't and isn't ideal, but is better than what it replaced.
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    Dec 20, 2014 12:28 PM GMT
    mx5guynj saidCuba gave asylum to FBI 10 Most Wanted convicted cop killer Joanne Chesimard.

    http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2013/may/joanne-chesimard-first-woman-named-most-wanted-terrorists-list/joanne-chesimard-first-woman-named-to-most-wanted-terrorists-list


    Big deal. She killed one person. Cheney and Bush killed hundreds of thousands----not to mention Kissinger, who may have helped kill millions---and we gave them asylum. And believe me, there are many countries who would extradite them and try them if they could.
    Get off your right-wing high horse (I know, you can't, but it was worth a shot).
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    Dec 20, 2014 4:19 PM GMT
    Sharkspeare said
    mx5guynj saidCuba gave asylum to FBI 10 Most Wanted convicted cop killer Joanne Chesimard.

    http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2013/may/joanne-chesimard-first-woman-named-most-wanted-terrorists-list/joanne-chesimard-first-woman-named-to-most-wanted-terrorists-list


    Big deal. She killed one person. Cheney and Bush killed hundreds of thousands----not to mention Kissinger, who may have helped kill millions---and we gave them asylum. And believe me, there are many countries who would extradite them and try them if they could.
    Get off your right-wing high horse (I know, you can't, but it was worth a shot).


    BANG. SCORE. A DIRECT HIT. PLUS ONE ON THIS.
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    Dec 20, 2014 5:30 PM GMT
    HEBREWMAN said
    Sharkspeare said
    mx5guynj saidCuba gave asylum to FBI 10 Most Wanted convicted cop killer Joanne Chesimard.

    http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2013/may/joanne-chesimard-first-woman-named-most-wanted-terrorists-list/joanne-chesimard-first-woman-named-to-most-wanted-terrorists-list


    Big deal. She killed one person. Cheney and Bush killed hundreds of thousands----not to mention Kissinger, who may have helped kill millions---and we gave them asylum. And believe me, there are many countries who would extradite them and try them if they could.
    Get off your right-wing high horse (I know, you can't, but it was worth a shot).


    BANG. SCORE. A DIRECT HIT. PLUS ONE ON THIS.


    Very conveniently 'we' forget about JFK and LBJ ... right?
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    Dec 20, 2014 5:40 PM GMT
    Sharkspeare said
    mx5guynj saidCuba gave asylum to FBI 10 Most Wanted convicted cop killer Joanne Chesimard.

    http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2013/may/joanne-chesimard-first-woman-named-most-wanted-terrorists-list/joanne-chesimard-first-woman-named-to-most-wanted-terrorists-list


    Big deal. She killed one person. Cheney and Bush killed hundreds of thousands----not to mention Kissinger, who may have helped kill millions---and we gave them asylum. And believe me, there are many countries who would extradite them and try them if they could.
    Get off your right-wing high horse (I know, you can't, but it was worth a shot).

    Same logic could be applied to any murder. She was convicted of killing a cop. It is a big deal. Same logic can also be applied to almost any crime or infraction. "But officer, I should not get a ticket for speeding because others get away with it all the time."

    One of the good things about the continual marginalization of the left is the diminished moral equivalency argument that damages the country.
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    Dec 20, 2014 7:06 PM GMT
    http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/marco-rubio-vows-block-twenty-first-century?intcid=mod-most-popular

    "Explaining his strategy, Rubio said that he and fellow Republicans were exploring ways to stop funding any items in the federal budget that pertain to the current century. “We cannot stop time, perhaps, but we can defund it,” he said."
  • wesv

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    Dec 20, 2014 8:38 PM GMT
    Ok cool.

    I just love Cuban food with their fried bananas. And Cuban men are some of my top favorites. Yum.