Indiana church that booted gay choir director to close due to falling attendance

  • metta

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    Dec 18, 2014 3:02 AM GMT
    Indiana church that booted gay choir director to close due to falling attendance

    http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2014/12/indiana-church-that-booted-gay-choir-director-to-close-due-to-falling-attendance/
  • Rowing_Ant

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    Dec 18, 2014 11:27 AM GMT
    Whoops!

    Choir Director = Gay. Surely everyone knows that icon_rolleyes.gif

    If they church continues hating on the gays where will it find its choir directors and organists?
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    Dec 18, 2014 3:04 PM GMT
    I sent an email to a UMC membership facilitator to see why the governing body of the UMC let this happen.
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    Dec 18, 2014 3:07 PM GMT
    pray to the gods they all self destruct
    imagine their satisfaction of a job well done
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    Dec 18, 2014 7:24 PM GMT
    This story involves a Methodist church. I was a Methodist as a child. The Methodists don't tolerate gays, or alcohol, among other things. They've also been losing members - and churches rapidly - all over the U.S. Wouldn't you think they'd have wised up?

    A whole lot of former Methodists came over to the Episcopal church (an intelligent choice for thinking persons). We accept and love gays, and have for decades. My Episcopal church had gay clergy in the 1940's. Gay clergy who were openly living together in the church rectory.

    If anyone is a Christian, he follows Christ's teachings. Christ was about love, acceptance, and being good to our fellow men (and women). Christ didn't hate or condemn gays, he loved them. Anyone wanting to be a Christian, can pick a real Christian church, where there is no hatred and homophobia.
  • Rowing_Ant

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    Dec 19, 2014 10:56 AM GMT
    I used to be a Methodist - from a long line of Methodists. Our family had been involved in our Chapel from 1813 (when it was a mission in a hay loft: the Chapel was built 1827). I was the organist and asked to leave the Church by the minister for being an unrepentant homo about twelve years ago. I was already moving towards Unitarianism at that point anyway (I don't think I ever truly believed in the divinty of Jeuss of the Holy Trinity or that it was all really true as in actually happened). So I'm a Unitarian (who also goes to Quaker meeting(unplanned)). I've come home baby!
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    Dec 19, 2014 2:35 PM GMT
    I love the pastor trying to blame his church's demise on broader national trends. Which is an insult and potentially damaging to the national church congregation. Did other United Methodist churches lose 80% of their membership in a matter of months, following 2 controversial & unpopular decisions by THEIR pastors?

    But maybe the United Methodist national leadership holds the same anti-gay position. If not, they should move to repudiate and remove this pastor, who has succeeded in causing one of their churches to close needlessly. Which they can little afford if the gradual slide (not 80%) in national membership the pastor uses as his defense is true.
  • somedaytoo

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    Dec 20, 2014 12:12 AM GMT
    Ha, I used to be a gay choir director. Now I'm just gay, after being kicked out too. icon_smile.gif
  • roadbikeRob

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    Dec 23, 2014 11:52 PM GMT
    somedaytoo saidHa, I used to be a gay choir director. Now I'm just gay, after being kicked out too. icon_smile.gif
    Why would anyone in their right mind want to kick out a sexy, masculine guy like youicon_question.gificon_biggrin.gif
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    Jan 18, 2015 6:31 PM GMT
    Dear Steve,

    Rev. Jeff Hall sent this response to your question.

    Thank you for your question concerning the situation at the First United Methodist Church of Alexandria, Indiana. The current teaching of The United Methodist Church, as approved by our General Conference (the highest legislative body in the church) is this:

    We affirm that all persons are individuals of sacred worth, created in the image of God. All persons need the ministry of the Church in their struggles for human fulfillment, as well as the spiritual and emotional care of a fellowship that enables reconciling relationships with God, with others, and with self. The United Methodist Church does not condone the practice of homosexuality and considers this practice incompatible with Christian teaching. We affirm that God’s grace is available to all. We will seek to live together in Christian community, welcoming, forgiving, and loving one another, as Christ has loved and accepted us. We implore families and churches not to reject or condemn lesbian and gay members and friends. We commit ourselves to be in ministry for and with all persons. (Book of Discipline, para. 161F)

    At present, the denomination prohibits "self-avowed practicing homosexuals" from serving as ordained ministers, but does not exclude them from staff or leadership positions as lay people. All decisions about local church staff positions are to be made by each congregation's pastor- or staff-parish relations committee, whose responsibilities are outlined in paragraph 258 of the Book of Discipline. That committee is made up of lay members of the congregation. It isn't clear whether the staff-parish committee of this particular church was involved in the removal of the choir director, but it sounds like the minister acted unilaterally.