Pro hormones.

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    Dec 18, 2014 8:20 PM GMT
    Any body know anything about prohormones? Do they work? Are there any good ones? Any problems?
  • PTNoge

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    Dec 19, 2014 2:14 PM GMT
    Short answer: NO, they don't work,

    Even though many pro-hormones are banned by NCAA and other agencies, none of them have been proven to be efficacious for producing muscle gains, burning fat, etc...

    Most pro-hormones, when consumed will be digested and broken down to it's major components. If they are proteins, they will be broken down into amino acids, and if they are lipids (like testosterone) they won't necessarily be turned into testosterone, but used for other cholesterol based molecules (like cortisol, testosterone, estrogen, cell walls, etc..)

    Chris Nogiec, PhD, CSCS, CISSN
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    Dec 19, 2014 4:07 PM GMT
    Thanks for the info. Do you know why prohormones are banned? If they don't do anything why ban them?
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    Dec 19, 2014 4:12 PM GMT
    PTNoge saidShort answer: NO, they don't work,

    Even though many pro-hormones are banned by NCAA and other agencies, none of them have been proven to be efficacious for producing muscle gains, burning fat, etc...

    Most pro-hormones, when consumed will be digested and broken down to it's major components. If they are proteins, they will be broken down into amino acids, and if they are lipids (like testosterone) they won't necessarily be turned into testosterone, but used for other cholesterol based molecules (like cortisol, testosterone, estrogen, cell walls, etc..)

    Chris Nogiec, PhD, CSCS, CISSN
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    Not true. I know guys who have used them and had decent results. Chemically they are very similar to other typical steroids with a few modifications that allow them to be taken orally and make them just "different enough" to not be covered by a ban. These modifications, however, are what make them dangerous to use.

    Many of them are methylated, which allows them to pass through the liver without being broken down immediately. Otherwise they wouldn't be in your system long enough to work. This is extremely taxing on your liver, however, and could result in significant damage.

    Because they are so dangerous, the senate just passed legislation that makes it much easier for them to ban them as they become available. You can read about it here: http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/226909-senate-makes-designer-steroids-a-controlled-substance.

    So aside from the fact that they're about to become very hard to find, they are also really toxic. Yes, they do work, but you should NOT use them. Your health is more important.
  • Destinharbor

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    Dec 19, 2014 4:59 PM GMT
    Ya, they are only moderately effective and very expensive. SF79 is right on. One other factor is that they're manufactured under uncertain conditions and most of the ingredients are made up names so there's very little way to know what is actually in the pill. Find a "Wellness clinic" near you and a good compounding pharmacy. A medical doctor will proscribe and also test to make sure you're metabolizing the substance in a healthy way. If you use your head, you can get the costs down to very little more than you'd spend on over-the-counter stuff.
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    Dec 19, 2014 9:51 PM GMT
    There is no such thing as an orally taken compound that increases your body's production of a truly functional hormone. If you call something a 'supplement' you can claim just about anything in your advertisement. Save your money.
  • NOVRDRV

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    Dec 19, 2014 10:37 PM GMT
    They totally work. But, there are risks. Animal Stak was the flavor I used once upon a time. Had really great results.
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    Dec 20, 2014 12:33 AM GMT
    Koastal saidThere is no such thing as an orally taken compound that increases your body's production of a truly functional hormone. If you call something a 'supplement' you can claim just about anything in your advertisement. Save your money.


    Increasing the body's production of a hormone isn't the point of these. Prohormones are actual exogenous hormones, functionally no different than typical anabolic steroids.
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    Dec 20, 2014 7:06 AM GMT
    Why bother? Just get the real thing. Get your testosterone levels tested. If they're low, get on TRT.
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    Dec 21, 2014 4:07 PM GMT
    There's so much misinformation about all this, and ... billions of dollars in revenue for over-priced meds.

    Just yesterday the Steriod Control Act was changed to include anything that promoted gains / acted like an anabolics.

    Here's reality, straight from the AHA and urilogy associations: in a study of 2700 men, this past fall, researchers restated what has been know for decades. Your risk of heart disease and cardiovascular events is 57% LOWER if your testosterone is mid to high level. Low test leads to all sorts of issues.

    That being said, Big Pharm doesn't want you getting stuff that works on the cheap, so..under the usual fear tactics, with zero basis in science, they keep pushing to make anything that works illegal.

    The DEA needs more to justify their existence now that pot laws are changing. Pesky steroid users is now at the top of their list.

    In general, you're a lot better off to take the real thing than junk. That doesn't mean they don't work, but, a lot of what's pissing off the drug companies is that the pro hormones are substances tweaked a bit to get past prior law. That changed this past Friday. Anything that works can get you in a fix.

    Ironically, law enforcement, firemen...are some of the biggest users. Truth. Stupid media seems to ignore the clinical research around all this.

    Media has been completely irresponsible....about the research...about the GAO studies...complete and utter b.s. around it.

    Any truly qualified medical professional knows the truth here, too. What I've said isn't new news. No professional organization (that's medical) has ever recommended their control.

    It's about big money for Big Pharm, and giving government agencies an ongoing mission in spite of 40 years of ongoing science that says it's unneeded.

    This all, of course, speaks to a bigger issue. That our government has been bought and sold.
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    Dec 21, 2014 4:20 PM GMT
    SF79 said
    Koastal saidThere is no such thing as an orally taken compound that increases your body's production of a truly functional hormone. If you call something a 'supplement' you can claim just about anything in your advertisement. Save your money.


    Increasing the body's production of a hormone isn't the point of these. Prohormones are actual exogenous hormones, functionally no different than typical anabolic steroids.

    Show me the clinical data proving that these 'supplements' function just like anabolic steroids. The marketing behind calling these things 'pro hormones' is to make you believe that they provide some missing, secret substance that allows your body to utilize them to manufacture your own endogenous hormones. Show me the real, clinical, double blind studies. If you can't, there's a reason.
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    Dec 21, 2014 4:35 PM GMT
    In many cases the "prohormone" is actually a designer anabolic.

    Big Pharm is all pissy about that, because they have a 2 BILLION dollar business they are wanting to protect.

    As of Friday, they got their way.

    Strangely, just like booze, or pot, more folks are into hard core sports science than ever before. Driving it all underground is stupid, and harmful.
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    Dec 22, 2014 2:41 AM GMT
    Koastal said
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    Koastal saidThere is no such thing as an orally taken compound that increases your body's production of a truly functional hormone. If you call something a 'supplement' you can claim just about anything in your advertisement. Save your money.


    Increasing the body's production of a hormone isn't the point of these. Prohormones are actual exogenous hormones, functionally no different than typical anabolic steroids.

    Show me the clinical data proving that these 'supplements' function just like anabolic steroids. The marketing behind calling these things 'pro hormones' is to make you believe that they provide some missing, secret substance that allows your body to utilize them to manufacture your own endogenous hormones. Show me the real, clinical, double blind studies. If you can't, there's a reason.

    When prohormone supplements first hit the shelves years ago, they were the closest legal thing you could get to anabolic steroids. The molecular structure was modified that so that it couldn't be technically/legally be classified as steroids. But then the usual drama happens when it comes to OTC supplements. Some pro athlete abused them, word got out, and drama ensued. The government stepped it and banned them.

    The prohormone supplements available today are junk. Just high dosages of caffeine, creatine, and mystery herbs.
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    Dec 22, 2014 6:57 PM GMT
    DHEA (dehydroepiandrosterone) is readily available through most of the usual suspects, and it seems to be pretty inexpensive. Clinical studies are mixed on whether it does much as an oral supplement, but few of these studies were designed very well and none lasted for more than a few weeks. Certainly it does not have the dramatic effects of steroid injections.

    Also it seems to be magically exempt from the new law that Chucky mentioned. I guess some of the congrescritters are taking it too icon_wink.gif





    I have been using it since I turned 50 icon_redface.gif Can't really say whether or not I "believe" in it. I've been seeing some good changes, but I manipulated more than one variable.
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    Jan 10, 2015 9:01 AM GMT
    I did not claim that it is beneficial. Just that it is the only pro-hormone that is specifically exempt from regulation. Which seems kind of odd.

    My best guess is that some congressmen carved out the exemption for their personal use. Or that one of their big donors sells it.
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    Feb 19, 2015 7:40 AM GMT
    Koastal said
    SF79 said
    Koastal saidThere is no such thing as an orally taken compound that increases your body's production of a truly functional hormone. If you call something a 'supplement' you can claim just about anything in your advertisement. Save your money.


    Increasing the body's production of a hormone isn't the point of these. Prohormones are actual exogenous hormones, functionally no different than typical anabolic steroids.

    Show me the clinical data proving that these 'supplements' function just like anabolic steroids. The marketing behind calling these things 'pro hormones' is to make you believe that they provide some missing, secret substance that allows your body to utilize them to manufacture your own endogenous hormones. Show me the real, clinical, double blind studies. If you can't, there's a reason.


    I think your mistaking pro hormones for test boosters. Pro hormones WERE legal steroids. There banned now which they should be because kids who have no clue what there doing were fucking up their endocrine system. Test boosters on the other hand are complete junk which could possibly increase your natural test levels but by a vastly insignificant amount that it would really do nothing useful.