The resurgence of vinyl. After all, who needs leather anyway?

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    Dec 22, 2014 3:25 AM GMT
    http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-biggest-music-comeback-of-2014-vinyl-records-1418323133?mod=trending_now_4
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    Dec 22, 2014 12:40 PM GMT
    Well, it is in the science and technology section.
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    Dec 22, 2014 4:03 PM GMT
    I have around a thousand vinyl records, and I can't even remember the last time I listened to one. Pretty much the only time I listen to music is streaming music on the kitchen laptop and MP3 files in the car. I remember, 20 some odd years ago, comparing one of my records to the CD version, and I was blown away at how much better the vinyl sounded. But, with today's highly advanced electronics, I wonder if there would even be much difference with a high-end audiophile CD player.
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    Dec 22, 2014 4:40 PM GMT
    paradox saidI have around a thousand vinyl records, and I can't even remember the last time I listened to one. Pretty much the only time I listen to music is streaming music on the kitchen laptop and MP3 files in the car. I remember, 20 some odd years ago, comparing one of my records to the CD version, and I was blown away at how much better the vinyl sounded. But, with today's highly advanced electronics, I wonder if there would even be much difference with a high-end audiophile CD player.


    I think vinyl has pulled further ahead faster. And true, there's some expensive stuff out there for both digital and analog.

    I've been away from it for a while and am in the process of putting together a budget system, trying to keep it all under $25k, I am however, willing to put 50% of it into a analog playback system. The brand new VPI Prime, but sorta waiting for the first reviews so I can get some help figuring out what cartridge works best. I don't want to blow $4,000 - 6,000 on a cartridge and then find out that it won't work with the new VPI 3D arm. This is the first application of the new arm on any VPI product.

    I have over 13,000 albums ... and in fact, every album I've ever had, I still have.
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    Dec 23, 2014 6:59 AM GMT
    I dunno. Kinda hard to get kids or even adults to buy vinyl these days. It just can't compete against the low cost and convenience of downloading/buying digital music online.

    Sure vinyl has that nice deep/rich sound. But people seem to be content with listening to compressed digital music through crappy earbuds that came with their smartphone. icon_neutral.gif
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    Dec 23, 2014 7:03 AM GMT
    MP3's are so sad. But then again, there isn't any music that requires hifi coming out these days anyway icon_rolleyes.gif

    I don't even have a working turntable at the moment icon_redface.gif
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    Dec 23, 2014 7:15 AM GMT
    Maybe when the cost of 3D printers come down. We can buy, download, and print records. icon_cool.gif
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    Dec 23, 2014 8:37 AM GMT
    freedomisntfree said.. what cartridge works best. I don't want to blow $4,000 - 6,000 on a cartridge and then find out that it won't work with the new VPI 3D arm. This is the first application of the new arm on any VPI product...

    Audio quality changes after after playing a vinyl record a few times. Kinda cool if they could focus a small camera at record surface. Derive an audio signal from the image. Essentially make a CD playback out of a standard vinyl record. that would be a "cartridge" worth $$$
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    Dec 23, 2014 5:34 PM GMT
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    freedomisntfree said.. what cartridge works best. I don't want to blow $4,000 - 6,000 on a cartridge and then find out that it won't work with the new VPI 3D arm. This is the first application of the new arm on any VPI product...

    Audio quality changes after after playing a vinyl record a few times. Kinda cool if they could focus a small camera at record surface. Derive an audio signal from the image. Essentially make a CD playback out of a standard vinyl record. that would be a "cartridge" worth $$$


    That's been attempted many times since the 80s with various laser type turntables. It's never worked out. it's the infinite info in those grooves with the analog playback that's the appeal. The goal is not to introduce digital anything into the playback chain. The battle in the past is getting the noise floor low enough that you're even aware the detail is there. Even if you have the occasional click or pop in the vinyl, those clicks and pops will stay on the surface of the speaker and not in the sound field.

    I had it very close in my previous system to the point that in my fairly complete collection of Living Presence and Living Stereo, all of which are well over 50 years old, that I could hear the HVAC in the hall cycle on and off. And I could recognize the sonic signature of halls I knew well (such as Severance, Orchestra Hall and Max Fisher) before the music even started playing.

    So the more you lower the noise floor, the more this detail is revealed. With digital, it's not even there.

    Sure, the very best digital has gotten hugely better over the last 30 years, but it's still such a relief to go back to analog.
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    Dec 23, 2014 5:40 PM GMT
    xrichx saidMaybe when the cost of 3D printers come down. We can buy, download, and print records. icon_cool.gif


    Well, we have the first 3d printed tonearm.

    http://www.vpiindustries.com/table-prime.htm

    I'm waiting for some guidance on cartridges so I can buy this table. I'm thinking Koetsu Rosewood due to the bountiful, lush, warm detail and because my electrostats could stand to be warmed up a just a little. However, it needs to be compatible with this new 3d arm.
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    Dec 23, 2014 5:46 PM GMT
    mindgarden saidMP3's are so sad. But then again, there isn't any music that requires hifi coming out these days anyway icon_rolleyes.gif

    I don't even have a working turntable at the moment icon_redface.gif


    Boy, you aren't kidding there. It's all tweet tweet boom boom at 120 bpm gay bar disco. It sounds hilariously bad on a good system. Now Moby has done good stuff with the tweet tweet boom boom format that actually sounds pretty good.

    You have to dig deeper and older, but it's out there and plentiful.
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    Dec 23, 2014 8:49 PM GMT
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