New York Times calls for Cheney, Bush officials to be investigated and prosecuted for torture. UN-Recommended Prosecution of Lawyers Who Cleared US Torture Program Good First Step

  • metta

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    Dec 22, 2014 9:18 PM GMT
    New York Times calls for Cheney, Bush officials to be investigated and prosecuted for torture

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/22/opinion/prosecute-torturers-and-their-bosses.html?smid=re-share&_r=1

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/12/new-york-times-calls-for-cheney-bush-officials-to-be-investigated-and-prosecuted-for-torture/
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    Dec 22, 2014 10:18 PM GMT
    Like it's ever going to happen. In any civilized country ruled by law, such people should be rotting in a jail.
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    Dec 23, 2014 12:36 AM GMT
    Since the day President Obama took office, he has failed to bring to justice anyone responsible for the torture of terrorism suspects — an official government program conceived and carried out in the years after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

    He did allow his Justice Department to investigate the C.I.A.'s destruction of videotapes of torture sessions and those who may have gone beyond the torture techniques authorized by President George W. Bush. But the investigation did not lead to any charges being filed, or even any accounting of why they were not filed.

    Mr. Obama has said multiple times that “we need to look forward as opposed to looking backwards,” as though the two were incompatible. They are not. The nation cannot move forward in any meaningful way without coming to terms, legally and morally, with the abhorrent acts that were authorized, given a false patina of legality, and committed by American men and women from the highest levels of government on down.

    Americans have known about many of these acts for years, but the 524-page executive summary of the Senate Intelligence Committee’s report erases any lingering doubt about their depravity and illegality: In addition to new revelations of sadistic tactics like “rectal feeding,” scores of detainees were waterboarded, hung by their wrists, confined in coffins, sleep-deprived, threatened with death or brutally beaten.

    Wait a second,

    Confined in Coffins, too?


    NO CRUEL AND UNUSUAL PUNISHMENT

    8th Amendment, Senators
  • Joeyphx444

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    Dec 24, 2014 3:42 PM GMT
    Thanks for providing us with quality, balanced news sources as usual metta icon_rolleyes.gif
  • jeepguySD

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    Dec 24, 2014 5:47 PM GMT
    "Starting a criminal investigation is not about payback; it is about ensuring that this never happens again and regaining the moral credibility to rebuke torture by other governments."

    We, rightfully, condemn the torture of Americans (and our allies) held in captivity. But any such condemnation rings hollow when we turn a blind eye to others being tortured while in our custody. In the aftermath of the "enhanced interrogation techniques," I believe that we have lost important moral credibility.
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    Dec 24, 2014 10:06 PM GMT
    I admire the US and (most) Americans a lot but even I was shocked to the core when the descriptions of "enhanced interrogation" were revealed. It was torture pure and simple and should be treated as such. These acts, and the Snowden leaks, convinced me that the threat to the State from within has never been greater since the Civil War.

    I think the Nuremberg defence ("they made me do it") won't cut it and people should be prosecuted. I personally remain highly sceptical that Pres. Bush knew of or even directly supported this at the time though.
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    Dec 24, 2014 10:39 PM GMT
    Who? the Christian terrorist network investigated for torture?
    (among other things such as out of causing chaos comes the results of order) ya don't say icon_eek.gif




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    Dec 24, 2014 11:17 PM GMT
    __morphic__ saidLike it's ever going to happen. In any civilized country ruled by law, such people should be rotting in a jail.
    these bastards deserved to have their balls cut off . Obama uses drones . By mistake he took out a wedding .
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    Dec 25, 2014 3:25 AM GMT
    guido4life said
    __morphic__ saidLike it's ever going to happen. In any civilized country ruled by law, such people should be rotting in a jail.
    these bastards deserved to have their balls cut off . Obama uses drones . By mistake he took out a wedding .


    You can add 2 NYC cops that Obama took out with his divisive rhetoric.
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    Dec 25, 2014 3:33 AM GMT
    mx5guynj said
    guido4life said
    __morphic__ saidLike it's ever going to happen. In any civilized country ruled by law, such people should be rotting in a jail.
    these bastards deserved to have their balls cut off . Obama uses drones . By mistake he took out a wedding .


    You can add 2 NYC cops that Obama took out with his divisive rhetoric.
    they deserved to get water board . Who cares ? I don't . They helped with the killing of 3000 Americans . It's ok to kill them in drones along with innocent civilians. But God forbid u torture them it's a crime .
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    Dec 25, 2014 4:37 AM GMT
    mx5guynj said
    guido4life said
    __morphic__ saidLike it's ever going to happen. In any civilized country ruled by law, such people should be rotting in a jail.
    these bastards deserved to have their balls cut off . Obama uses drones . By mistake he took out a wedding .


    You can add 2 NYC cops that Obama took out with his divisive rhetoric.

    In your fever dreams.
    Those cops were killed by Republican policies. No question about it. Their blood is on your hands.
  • FRE0

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    Dec 25, 2014 7:43 AM GMT
    I fully agree that those responsible for torture should be treated as criminals. Treating them as criminals would reduce the likelihood of its happening again. However, I doubt that it will be done.

    They assert that it was not torture. If they really believe that it was not torture, they will be willing to submit themselves to the same treatment.
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    Dec 25, 2014 2:52 PM GMT
    The most stupid thing is those calling for investigations were the same democrats who approved the use of enhanced interrogation. Hypocrites.
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    Dec 25, 2014 6:31 PM GMT
    JerseyAthletic saidThe most stupid thing is those calling for investigations were the same democrats who approved the use of enhanced interrogation. Hypocrites.


    Hypocrites? Really? No democrat or or probably any republican in Congress had a clue of what EIT's were being used. This is YOUR executive branch's crime.

    We have ALWAYS treated our prisoners the way we want our enemies to treat our soldiers. That's why we are signatories to the Geneva Convention and why John McCain (who was tortured) is so anti 'enhanced' interrogation techniques. What we did during the Bush years was our moral low point. Inescusable, shameful and an embarrassment to this country. The world expected and should have seen better behavior from us.

    Is this an example of American exceptionalism?
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    Dec 25, 2014 8:33 PM GMT
    we are the nanny nation. Frightened by the dust devils under our beds.

    as a nation we have done this before and will do it again. A time honored tradition that gets the Walmart shoppers voting.
  • tj85016

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    Dec 26, 2014 6:19 AM GMT
    I'd rather see them go after that oil lawyer whore Condi Rice so she can't play golf at Augusta National with all her white male friends lol
  • metta

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    Dec 28, 2014 5:43 AM GMT
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  • metta

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    Dec 28, 2014 6:56 PM GMT
    If Torture Was Categorically Wrong When Hitler Did It, Then Why Is the CIA Excused When They Do It?

    http://www.truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/if-torture-was-categorically-wrong-when-hitler-did-it-then-why-is-the-cia-excused-when-they-do-it
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    Dec 29, 2014 11:32 AM GMT
    metta8 said10389122_10153474823358327_2796892344883

    Nice group photo of our 3 principle US war criminals. I still look forward to the day when they're hauled before international courts and sentenced for their crimes against humanity. Demonstrating that the US practices what it preaches to others, and giving notice to future US administrations that our government officials do not have immunity from unlawful activities.
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    Dec 29, 2014 2:15 PM GMT




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    Dec 29, 2014 2:39 PM GMT
    drones_v_waterboarding_zps97a41728.jpg

    Seems there's plenty of war crimes to go around...
  • metta

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    Dec 29, 2014 10:47 PM GMT
    UN-Recommended Prosecution of Lawyers Who Cleared US Torture Program Good First Step

    "The United Nations Committee Against Torture (UN-CAT) just completed its review of the United States and found much of concern. In its "Concluding Observations," the panel called for the investigation and prosecution of "persons in positions of command and those who provided legal cover to torture."

    The UN-CAT periodically reviews states that have ratified the Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment (CAT-CID). The United States is one of these states - Ronald Reagan signed the CAT-CID in 1988, and the Senate ratified it in 1994. The CAT-CID, like all ratified treaties, is the supreme law of the land according to the US Constitution."

    http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/28248-un-recommended-prosecution-of-lawyers-who-cleared-us-torture-program-good-first-step
  • Apparition

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    Dec 31, 2014 12:50 AM GMT
    Politicians should all start in prison and be released if voted out of it
  • tazzari

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    Jan 01, 2015 1:37 AM GMT
    Apparition saidPoliticians should all start in prison and be released if voted out of it


    GREAT one! icon_biggrin.gif
  • metta

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    Jan 13, 2015 2:32 AM GMT
    Two anti-torture protesters arrested at Dick Cheney's house


    http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/10/us-usa-guantanamo-protesters-idUSKBN0KJ0O320150110