Violence and racism pre-2015 in America

  • Paperless_Pen

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    Dec 24, 2014 9:57 AM GMT
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/12/24/police-officer-kills-man-in-st-louis-suburb-after-he-pulls-gun/

    http://news.sky.com/story/1397150/black-teen-shot-dead-by-police-in-st-louis

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-30596531

    This is why I don't like guns. Why do you need a gun? If you need protection, then there is potential of violence because you fear crime. Remove guns, there still might be weapons but there will be less shootings. Also racism, why are black men being targeted? I see both sides being wrong here but also why were they armed?

    That young boy whose toy gun he was holding was shot dead recently. What the heck? Arent the police trained to shoot to disarm? Not to kill.

    Who is wrong here? Are we readily jumping to accuse racism?


  • kew1

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    Dec 24, 2014 10:11 AM GMT
    Paperless_Pen said

    That young boy whose toy gun he was holding was shot dead recently. What the heck? Arent the police trained to shoot to disarm? Not to kill.

    Who is wrong here? Are we readily jumping to accuse racism?




    I thought they were taught to shoot the torso, being the easiest (biggest) body part to hit.
  • Paperless_Pen

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    Dec 24, 2014 10:22 AM GMT
    kew1 said
    Paperless_Pen said

    That young boy whose toy gun he was holding was shot dead recently. What the heck? Arent the police trained to shoot to disarm? Not to kill.

    Who is wrong here? Are we readily jumping to accuse racism?




    I thought they were taught to shoot the torso, being the easiest (biggest) body part to hit.


    I honestly do not know. I am only a civilian.
  • kew1

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    Dec 24, 2014 3:22 PM GMT
    So am I, but whenever there's a police shooting over here and someone asks why they didn't try to shoot to disable , the reply is it's hard to aim for a leg or arm (esp.when it's moving).
  • HottJoe

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    Dec 24, 2014 3:48 PM GMT
    Paperless_Pen saidhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/12/24/police-officer-kills-man-in-st-louis-suburb-after-he-pulls-gun/

    http://news.sky.com/story/1397150/black-teen-shot-dead-by-police-in-st-louis

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-30596531

    This is why I don't like guns. Why do you need a gun? If you need protection, then there is potential of violence because you fear crime. Remove guns, there still might be weapons but there will be less shootings. Also racism, why are black men being targeted? I see both sides being wrong here but also why were they armed?

    That young boy whose toy gun he was holding was shot dead recently. What the heck? Arent the police trained to shoot to disarm? Not to kill.

    Who is wrong here? Are we readily jumping to accuse racism?



    Because white men keep finding ways to justify their racism.
  • HottJoe

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    Dec 24, 2014 3:49 PM GMT
    kew1 saidSo am I, but whenever there's a police shooting over here and someone asks why they didn't try to shoot to disable , the reply is it's hard to aim for a leg or arm (esp.when it's moving).

    Yes, that explains why black men are targeted.icon_rolleyes.gif
  • 1AlanZSky

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    Dec 24, 2014 3:54 PM GMT
    This is my perception but black men are more likely to look like they are gang members because that is how we perceive them to be. It should not be this way.

    In England black men are also "targeted". Either gang related or mistaken identity but it is this perception that black men are "gangsta" or macho or rough.

    It is this perception that we jump to conclusions.

  • HottJoe

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    Dec 24, 2014 4:02 PM GMT
    1AlanZSky saidThis is my perception but black men are more likely to look like they are gang members because that is how we perceive them to be. It should not be this way.

    In England black men are also "targeted". Either gang related or mistaken identity but it is this perception that black men are "gangsta" or macho or rough.

    It is this perception that we jump to conclusions.


    It's not just a perception. It's racism. White men are satanic devil worshipers and school shooters, according to the stats and popular heavy metal bands, yet it doesn't lead to racism against white people in the countries you have mentioned.
  • 1AlanZSky

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    Dec 24, 2014 4:31 PM GMT
    HottJoeIt's not just a perception. It's racism. White men are satanic devil worshipers and school shooters, according to the stats and popular heavy metal bands, yet it doesn't lead to racism against white people in the countries you have mentioned.


    I thought I had replied to you. It is true that racism exists and it is not really inherent. (coming back to me now, actually it has gone now) Racism is not ingrained and however true you may be we cannot generalize white men. Yes it is the media that portrays white men as somewhat richer.
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    Dec 24, 2014 4:52 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    kew1 saidSo am I, but whenever there's a police shooting over here and someone asks why they didn't try to shoot to disable , the reply is it's hard to aim for a leg or arm (esp.when it's moving).

    Yes, that explains why black men are targeted.icon_rolleyes.gif

    The answer is just work to increase the number of white criminals with guns to equalize the kill ratios- bring back the mafia and all their recruits.
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    Dec 24, 2014 4:55 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    1AlanZSky saidThis is my perception but black men are more likely to look like they are gang members because that is how we perceive them to be. It should not be this way.

    In England black men are also "targeted". Either gang related or mistaken identity but it is this perception that black men are "gangsta" or macho or rough.

    It is this perception that we jump to conclusions.


    It's not just a perception. It's racism. White men are satanic devil worshipers and school shooters, according to the stats and popular heavy metal bands, yet it doesn't lead to racism against white people in the countries you have mentioned.

    Those satanic white guys are really a first world problem - we need more Christianity here. Way too many heavy metal bands for a civil society indeed.
  • HottJoe

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    Dec 24, 2014 4:59 PM GMT
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    HottJoe said
    kew1 saidSo am I, but whenever there's a police shooting over here and someone asks why they didn't try to shoot to disable , the reply is it's hard to aim for a leg or arm (esp.when it's moving).

    Yes, that explains why black men are targeted.icon_rolleyes.gif

    The answer is just work to increase the number of white criminals with guns to equalize the kill ratios- bring back the mafia and all their recruits.

    Or we could just legalize drugs and end prohibition. That's how the gangsters of the twenties who came to power during alcohol prohibition were finally reduced to irrelevance.
  • HottJoe

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    Dec 24, 2014 5:00 PM GMT
    Puppenjunge said
    HottJoe said
    1AlanZSky saidThis is my perception but black men are more likely to look like they are gang members because that is how we perceive them to be. It should not be this way.

    In England black men are also "targeted". Either gang related or mistaken identity but it is this perception that black men are "gangsta" or macho or rough.

    It is this perception that we jump to conclusions.


    It's not just a perception. It's racism. White men are satanic devil worshipers and school shooters, according to the stats and popular heavy metal bands, yet it doesn't lead to racism against white people in the countries you have mentioned.

    Those satanic white guys are really a first world problem - we need more Christianity here. Way too many heavy metal bands for a civil society indeed.

    Yeah, who needs freedom of speech when we have the Bible?icon_rolleyes.gif
  • 1AlanZSky

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    Dec 24, 2014 5:17 PM GMT
    The Bible is an excellent source of reading material for fiction. For scientific and morality tales seek other books.
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    Dec 24, 2014 5:26 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    Puppenjunge said
    HottJoe said
    1AlanZSky saidThis is my perception but black men are more likely to look like they are gang members because that is how we perceive them to be. It should not be this way.

    In England black men are also "targeted". Either gang related or mistaken identity but it is this perception that black men are "gangsta" or macho or rough.

    It is this perception that we jump to conclusions.


    It's not just a perception. It's racism. White men are satanic devil worshipers and school shooters, according to the stats and popular heavy metal bands, yet it doesn't lead to racism against white people in the countries you have mentioned.

    Those satanic white guys are really a first world problem - we need more Christianity here. Way too many heavy metal bands for a civil society indeed.

    Yeah, who needs freedom of speech when we have the Bible?icon_rolleyes.gif

    Well, you're the one who brought up Satan - a Christian bible creation.
  • 1AlanZSky

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    Dec 24, 2014 5:31 PM GMT
    Satan is in many religions, most notably in monotheistic religions such as the Abrahamic faiths.
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    Dec 24, 2014 5:34 PM GMT
    1AlanZSky saidSatan is in many religions, most notably in monotheistic religions such as the Abrahamic faiths.
    OK I misstated it - Satan is still religion created.
  • kew1

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    Dec 25, 2014 2:12 AM GMT
    HottJoe said
    kew1 saidSo am I, but whenever there's a police shooting over here and someone asks why they didn't try to shoot to disable , the reply is it's hard to aim for a leg or arm (esp.when it's moving).

    Yes, that explains why black men are targeted.icon_rolleyes.gif


    I'm not talking about who the police are shooting, but what. Any police shooting over here, they usually aim for the body, black or white. De menezes was shot in the head,but they stupidly thought he was wearing a suicide vest (probably not something that would react well to bullets?). I still think the officer in charge should have been prosecuted.

    Paperless pen asked about shooting to disarm and the usual reply is that only happens in movies.
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    Dec 25, 2014 2:30 AM GMT
    Paperless_Pen saidhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/12/24/police-officer-kills-man-in-st-louis-suburb-after-he-pulls-gun/

    http://news.sky.com/story/1397150/black-teen-shot-dead-by-police-in-st-louis

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-30596531

    This is why I don't like guns. Why do you need a gun? If you need protection, then there is potential of violence because you fear crime. Remove guns, there still might be weapons but there will be less shootings. Also racism, why are black men being targeted? I see both sides being wrong here but also why were they armed?

    That young boy whose toy gun he was holding was shot dead recently. What the heck? Arent the police trained to shoot to disarm? Not to kill.

    Who is wrong here? Are we readily jumping to accuse racism?


    No. This is completely false, and people probably got this idea from tv and movies. No such thing as a warning shot or a precision shot to the leg/arm. Even the most experienced shooter can't do that at a moving target.

    Cops are trained to draw their weapon when they feel their life or someone else's life is in danger. They are trained to shoot until the threat is stopped.

    One bullet may not be enough to stop a person. Some people have higher tolerance for pain. Or they may be under the influence of a drug.

    That's why when these things happens, the autopsy shows bullet entries that add up to some crazy double digit number, especially if there were multiple cops involved.

    Black, white, purple.. whatever color you are.. it's really simple. Don't run. Don't resist or fight. Follow instructions.

    If you watch the Cops tv show. All those fools that run, get jacked eventually. If you're doing something illegal, own up to it. If you're not, then take it to court. Nothing is worse than running from the cops for no good reason, other than "I didn't do nothing wrong". Because yes you did.. you ran from the cops! icon_lol.gif