Happens again. Armed teen pulls gun on Berkeley cop and then is shot and killed.

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    Dec 24, 2014 2:18 PM GMT
    http://www.aol.com/article/2014/12/24/police-officer-in-missouri-shot-killed-man-who-pulled-gun/21120819/
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    Dec 24, 2014 4:36 PM GMT
    And of course the usual rioting ensued. Why won't the police realize that it's their civic duty to allow thugs to shoot them, and they should not shoot at those pointing guns at them? It's not the thug's fault. A guy's gotta rob, and he needs a gun for protection. Simple.
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    Dec 24, 2014 4:56 PM GMT
    " It's not the thug's fault. A guy's gotta rob, and he needs a gun for protection. Simple."

    That's very understanding of you.

    But my question after reading the story is whether the cop's story is true.

    Police have been known(and quite recently) to lie about their deadly encounters.

    Did you read the Tamir Rice incident report? The cop had forgotten that his own squad car video refuted his entire report.
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    Dec 24, 2014 5:32 PM GMT
    Determinate said" It's not the thug's fault. A guy's gotta rob, and he needs a gun for protection. Simple."

    That's very understanding of you.

    But my question after reading the story is whether the cop's story is true.

    Police have been known(and quite recently) to lie about their deadly encounters.

    Did you read the Tamir Rice incident report? The cop had forgotten that his own squad car video refuted his entire report.

    Cops lie and so do the perps. that's why we have jury trials for the perps who don't get shot.

    In last night's case - the evidence will out - either there was a gun or there wasn't. If no gun is produced here, the cop lied. Until we find out, I guess rioting is in order (or at least predictable.)
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    Dec 24, 2014 8:19 PM GMT
    ^^^A possibility for you to consider, Dr Watson, is that both a gun is found AND THE COP IS LYING.

    Was the perp's gun drawn/fired?
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    Dec 24, 2014 8:24 PM GMT
    Well, Sherlock, the surveillance video shows the thug pointing the gun at the cop.
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    Dec 24, 2014 8:30 PM GMT
    So why is there protest to this particular shooting? It turns out the majority of police in this town are black. Maybe towns with a majority population of african-americans should refuse to hire any police except african-americans. That would no doubt please Hottjoe. And it would ensure that when thugs are shot, they are shot by police of the same race (except of course, when they happen to have to shoot guys belonging to other races.)
  • AMoonHawk

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    Dec 24, 2014 8:50 PM GMT
    While I do see Eric Garner's assassination as a flat out public murder, I do not see this as an unwarranted killing. If you pull a gun on some one, you should expect that there is going to be a good chance you are going to be killed.

    Live by the sword, die by the sword.
  • jock_1

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    Dec 24, 2014 11:18 PM GMT
    Maybe if the cop would have yelled "BOO" at the man, he would have run away. Now any justified shooting by a cop will be plastered on TV as well as all the looting that ensues. Just gives the looters a reason to get some free stuff without paying for it. Kind of like how our social welfare system works now.
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    Dec 24, 2014 11:55 PM GMT
    Puppenjunge saidWell, Sherlock, the surveillance video shows the thug pointing the gun at the cop.

    How come all Blacks are called "thugs"by your racists? The best was when I read an 11-year-old Black called a "thuglett", and of course President Obama is a thug, too. Thug is the new "N" word favored by the Right Wing, that can be said freely, like the "N" word once was.

    It's amazing, you guys all use the same word, and no other. Well, if all Blacks are thugs, then all Right Wingers are bigoted White Supremacists. Seems logical & fair to me. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Dec 25, 2014 12:17 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    And it's not amazing that YOU are such a bigot. Remember this?

    Art_Deco Labels African American Senator Tim Scott R-SC An "Uncle Tom"

    Then that also makes you RJ's biggest bigot, for your relentless, non-stop crazy attacks against our first Black US President. We should rename you the anti-Obama channel, because that's what the majority of your threads and posts are about. Followed by anti-Art Deco posts, your other obsession.

    On top of having already earned the distinction of being the anti-gay channel here. If there's anything negative to report regarding gay issues, we can count on hearing about it from you first. And negative reports and undermining stories against any politicians and other public leaders who are known for being gay friendly.

    Your pattern over the years is so transparent as to be laughable. If ever a site had a hostile disruptor to the interests of the members, you qualify on all counts.
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    Dec 25, 2014 12:32 AM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    Puppenjunge saidWell, Sherlock, the surveillance video shows the thug pointing the gun at the cop.

    How come all Blacks are called "thugs"by your racists? The best was when I read an 11-year-old Black called a "thuglett", and of course President Obama is a thug, too. Thug is the new "N" word favored by the Right Wing, that can be said freely, like the "N" word once was.

    It's amazing, you guys all use the same word, and no other. Well, if all Blacks are thugs, then all Right Wingers are bigoted White Supremacists. Seems logical & fair to me. icon_biggrin.gif

    Gee, Art, I thought you were more thoughtful than this. I'm not a racist. Anyone who robs, especially using a weapon, is a "thug" in my vernacular, regardless of whether he is black, white, yellow or green. So too, people who attack officers of the law. (And they deserve to be shot at if caught in the act). if It has nothing to do with race. I can't speak for others who use this term. I believe the word derives from the word "thugee" in an Indian language, originally referring to a group of assassins.
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    Dec 25, 2014 12:53 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    More (apparently) drunken ramblings.

    What is your evidence of that? You created this myth here that I'm an alcoholic, to counter my posts when you don't like them. Under the previous owners your defammations got you suspended a few times, along with other TOS/TOU violation stunts you committed here. Regrettable we don't have such a tight rein from Admin today, which explains why you're being so bold again, after having been slapped down previously a number of times.

    Your behavior is more proof that you're a dangerous person here, who recklessly slanders and maligns. Most social sites have a disruptor like you, who gets his sick jollies from throwing a monkey wrench into otherwise placid operations.

    I've speculated before about what I think your private agenda here is, largely political, based on your patterns. But I don't know for certain. You could just be a lone-wolf whack job. An interesting mystery to solve. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Dec 25, 2014 1:04 AM GMT
    Puppenjunge said
    Gee, Art, I thought you were more thoughtful than this. I'm not a racist. Anyone who robs, especially using a weapon, is a "thug" in my vernacular, regardless of whether he is black, white, yellow or green. So too, people who attack officers of the law. (And they deserve to be shot at if caught in the act). if It has nothing to do with race. I can't speak for others who use this term. I believe the word derives from the word "thugee" in an Indian language, originally referring to a group of assassins.

    And you should have been more cognizant than this. "Thug" has become the US Right Wing's euphemism for the "N" word. Use it with caution.

    You'll note that in most cases White criminals are not thugs, only Blacks. The US Right Wing usage follows racial lines.

    I do know the etymology of the word thug, and it does indeed derive from a murderous cult in India. And so I object to the US Right Wing trying to associate most Blacks with a murderous cult.
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    Dec 25, 2014 1:17 AM GMT
    Determinate said" It's not the thug's fault. A guy's gotta rob, and he needs a gun for protection. Simple."

    That's very understanding of you.

    But my question after reading the story is whether the cop's story is true.

    Police have been known(and quite recently) to lie about their deadly encounters.

    Did you read the Tamir Rice incident report? The cop had forgotten that his own squad car video refuted his entire report.


    I think some activists with questionable motives are commandeering a legitimate conversation about police policy and tactics.
    Its hard to justify a 18 year old holding a gun with a scratched serial number.

    If you start with the preface that police lie, then why not a 18 year old? They are more likely to lie as a demographic.

    They guy who was shot had a pretty ambitous criminal record. Considering it starts at 18....

    Martin had a criminal record that included three assault charges, plus charges of armed robbery, armed criminal action and unlawful use of a weapon.

    If Martin was not a "thug" what is the definition of one?
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    Dec 25, 2014 1:34 AM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    Puppenjunge said
    Gee, Art, I thought you were more thoughtful than this. I'm not a racist. Anyone who robs, especially using a weapon, is a "thug" in my vernacular, regardless of whether he is black, white, yellow or green. So too, people who attack officers of the law. (And they deserve to be shot at if caught in the act). if It has nothing to do with race. I can't speak for others who use this term. I believe the word derives from the word "thugee" in an Indian language, originally referring to a group of assassins.

    And you should have been more cognizant than this. "Thug" has become the US Right Wing's euphemism for the "N" word. Use it with caution.

    You'll note that in most cases White criminals are not thugs, only Blacks. The US Right Wing usage follows racial lines.

    I do know the etymology of the word thug, and it does indeed derive from a murderous cult in India. And so I object to the US Right Wing trying to associate most Blacks with a murderous cult.

    The term "thug" has been used in this thread to refer specifically to criminals. To suggest otherwise is dishonest or stupid, or both.

    Furthermore, your far left rant that being critical of Obama is racist doesn't fly with most people outside of your far left radical segment of the population.

    None of your little intimidation techniques will stop free speech.
  • tj85016

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    Dec 25, 2014 8:34 AM GMT
    I think the towns choose a martyr to get shot by a cop as an excuse to loot stores

    like a bad spin on the short story "The Lottery"
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    Dec 26, 2014 2:33 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    Puppenjunge saidWell, Sherlock, the surveillance video shows the thug pointing the gun at the cop.

    How come all Blacks are called "thugs"by your racists? The best was when I read an 11-year-old Black called a "thuglett", and of course President Obama is a thug, too. Thug is the new "N" word favored by the Right Wing, that can be said freely, like the "N" word once was.

    It's amazing, you guys all use the same word, and no other. Well, if all Blacks are thugs, then all Right Wingers are bigoted White Supremacists. Seems logical & fair to me. icon_biggrin.gif


    Pulling a gun on a cop while in view of a surveillance camera isn't particularly bright, even if one survives the encounter.

    Art got offended by the "thug" comment, and sidetracked the conversation into that rather than addressing the fact that the attack was documented by video evidence.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Dec 26, 2014 3:42 PM GMT

    I am really surprised that the meatheaded Minneapolitan hasn't posted on here yet screaming police oppression, white supremacy and all that other leftist gibberish.
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    Dec 26, 2014 5:33 PM GMT
    Determinate said^^^A possibility for you to consider, Dr Watson, is that both a gun is found AND THE COP IS LYING.

    Was the perp's gun drawn/fired?


    By the way, it is illegal for 18 year olds to possess a handgun in Missouri. :-)
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    Dec 26, 2014 7:06 PM GMT
    conservativejock said
    Determinate said^^^A possibility for you to consider, Dr Watson, is that both a gun is found AND THE COP IS LYING.

    Was the perp's gun drawn/fired?


    By the way, it is illegal for 18 year olds to possess a handgun in Missouri. :-)
    Yet 18 year olds are adults and they can vote and go fight in wars. Missouri's law is stupid and needs to be repealed. Not all 18 year old adults are criminals.
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    Dec 26, 2014 11:04 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    conservativejock said
    Determinate said^^^A possibility for you to consider, Dr Watson, is that both a gun is found AND THE COP IS LYING.

    Was the perp's gun drawn/fired?


    By the way, it is illegal for 18 year olds to possess a handgun in Missouri. :-)
    Yet 18 year olds are adults and they can vote and go fight in wars. Missouri's law is stupid and needs to be repealed. Not all 18 year old adults are criminals.


    It's odd but it is America and this kid did commit a felony by the mere possession of a handgun. After the kid committed that obvious felony, the cop had some pretty broad latitude had he tried to flee.