Manly, No Manlian Discipline. Sacrificing the Son to the Gods of War. Spirituality: Gods Existed in Ancient War.

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    Dec 26, 2014 4:16 PM GMT
    Titus Manlius, a man who was a match for Annius in boldness. so far was he from controlling his indignation, that he openly declared that if the Fathers were so demented as to receive terms from a Setine, he would gird on his sword, and entering the senate would slay with his own hand any Latin he might see within the Curia.

    [8] and turning to the statue of the god, “hear, Jupiter,” he cried, “these wicked words! hear ye, Law and Right!

    [9] shalt thou behold, O Jupiter, alien consuls and an alien senate in thy consecrated temple, thyself overpowered and taken captive?

    it is recorded that in answer to the numerous supplications of the gods, whom the consuls repeatedly invoked as the witnesses of treaties, the voice of Annius was heard spurning the power of the Roman Jupiter.


    [2] as Annius, beside himself with rage, hurried from the entrance of the temple, he slipped on the stairs, and struck his head so hard on the lowest stone that he lost consciousness.

    [3] that he was killed is not asserted by all writers, wherefore I, too, may leave the question undecided, as also the tradition that while men were calling on the gods to witness the breaking of the treaty, there was a loud crash in the heavens, and a hurricane burst forth; for these things may be true, or they may be apt inventions to express in a lively manner the wrath of Heaven.

    [4] Torquatus, who had been sent by the senate to dismiss the envoys, saw Annius lying there, and exclaimed in a voice that was heard alike by the people and the senators: “it is well; the gods have begun a righteous war.

    [5] there is a heavenly power; thou dost exist, great Jupiter; not in vain have we established thee in this holy seat, the Father of gods and men.

    Steefen: The Sun is the father of gods. Jupiter is the largest planet in our Solar System, not Jupiter System. The Moon is the closest Solar System Object to us. Therefore Sun, Moon, and Jupiter could be a good approach to astrology; but I would not like leaving out Saturn and Mercury.


    During the conduct of the war, Manlius and his co-consul, Publius Decius Mus, decided that the old military disciplines would be reinstated, and no man was allowed to leave his post, under penalty of death. Manlius's son, seeing an opportunity for glory, forgot this stricture, left his post with his friends, and defeated several Latin skirmishers in battle. Having the spoils brought to him, the father cried out in a loud voice and called the legion to assemble. Berating his son, he then handed him over for execution to the horror of all his men. Thus, "Manlian discipline."

    The Gods of War were satisfied, later reported in Livy's History of Rome.

    The other consul had to sacrifice himself and again the Gods of War were satisfied.

    With both "generals" appealing to Gods, Rome had their victory of the Latins.

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    Dec 27, 2014 4:16 PM GMT
    StephenOABC said
    During the conduct of the war, Manlius and his co-consul, Publius Decius Mus, decided that the old military disciplines would be reinstated, and no man was allowed to leave his post, under penalty of death.

    Manlius's son, seeing an opportunity for glory, forgot this stricture, left his post with his friends, and defeated several Latin skirmishers in battle.

    Having the spoils brought to him, the father cried out in a loud voice and called the legion to assemble. Berating his son, he then handed him over for execution to the horror of all his men. Thus, "Manlian discipline."

    The Gods of War were satisfied was later reported in Livy's History of Rome.

    The other consul had to sacrifice himself, and again the Gods of War were satisfied.

    With both "generals" appealing to Gods, Rome had their victory of the Latins.



    This is human sacrifice to the gods.

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    Dec 27, 2014 4:21 PM GMT
    So the interpretation of Jesus' crucifixion as sacrifice and atonement is not Judaic since the the Hebrew Bible never called for a human sacrifice upon the altar. That interpretation probably could not have been made public while sacrifices were still being performed at the Temple.

    The interpretation of Jesus' crucifixion as sacrifice probably is a post-destruction of the Temple interpretation and not part of any oral tradition from 30-33 C.E.

    Jesus was crucified by Rome, anyway. The interpretation that Jesus' death was a sacrifice--Lamb of God--is certainly not Jewish: it is a Roman notion, a new covenant which is a new Roman covenant.
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    Dec 27, 2014 4:25 PM GMT
    This is how Christians have been corrupted and sucked into Ancient Roman religious notions.