If Jews are descendant of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob which aren't historical, does that mean that nobody is really Jewish since those characters never existed?

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    Dec 26, 2014 6:44 PM GMT
    Explain like I am 5 please. icon_exclaim.gif
  • Kovyn

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    Dec 26, 2014 7:08 PM GMT
    You must have skipped over the genealogies when you were incorrectly exegeting the Bible.
  • Bunjamon

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    Dec 26, 2014 7:24 PM GMT
    Let me change it up for you a little:

    If humans are all descendants of of Adam and Eve, who never existed, does that mean that nobody is really human since those characters never existed?
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    Dec 26, 2014 7:24 PM GMT
    Bunjamon saidLet me change it up for you a little:

    If humans are all descendants of of Adam and Eve, who never existed, does that mean that nobody is really human since those characters never existed?


    That's not a reasonable comparison, at all. The bible never uses the term human. Also, science already debunked the idea that we are God's creation thanks to evolution which means that we are all descendant of the same organism.
  • HottJoe

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    Dec 26, 2014 7:25 PM GMT
    Bunjamon saidLet me change it up for you a little:

    If humans are all descendants of of Adam and Eve, who never existed, does that mean that nobody is really human since those characters never existed?

    "Human" is such a demeaning word for us living gods, don't you think?
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    Dec 26, 2014 7:29 PM GMT
    terminator88 said
    Bunjamon saidLet me change it up for you a little:

    If humans are all descendants of of Adam and Eve, who never existed, does that mean that nobody is really human since those characters never existed?


    That's not a reasonable comparison, at all. The bible never uses the term human.


    I guess it depends on what translation you're reading.

    Switch "human" up with the word "man/men." If man is descendant from Adam and Eve, who never existed, does that mean that man doesn't exist since those characters never existed?

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    Dec 26, 2014 7:29 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    Bunjamon saidLet me change it up for you a little:

    If humans are all descendants of of Adam and Eve, who never existed, does that mean that nobody is really human since those characters never existed?

    "Human" is such a demeaning word for us living gods, don't you think?


    Right you are.
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    Dec 26, 2014 7:34 PM GMT
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    terminator88 said
    Bunjamon saidLet me change it up for you a little:

    If humans are all descendants of of Adam and Eve, who never existed, does that mean that nobody is really human since those characters never existed?


    That's not a reasonable comparison, at all. The bible never uses the term human.


    I guess it depends on what translation you're reading.

    Switch "human" up with the word "man/men." If man is descendant from Adam and Eve, who never existed, does that mean that man doesn't exist since those characters never existed?




    Since Adam and Eve never existed, it means that we aren't made in the image of god. Jews as the chosen people by God is reminiscent to how Ancient Egyptian pharoahs thought they were gods. Since none of that is true, the ethnicity doesn't exist which is why the term Jew is so vague.


    Pretty much this

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    This is why I don't believe Jewish people even exist because the Bible isn't even true. It's just a religious group, not ethnicity.
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    Dec 26, 2014 8:08 PM GMT
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    Dec 26, 2014 8:28 PM GMT
    Why would someone argue with a five-year-old?
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    Dec 26, 2014 8:35 PM GMT
    sf_swimmer saidWhy would someone argue with a five-year-old?

    I ask myself that every time I sign on.icon_confused.gif
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    Dec 26, 2014 8:57 PM GMT
    sf_swimmer saidWhy would someone argue with a five-year-old?



    why would an old ugly man be on a jock site?
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    Dec 26, 2014 8:58 PM GMT
    the correct term is Hebrew or Semitic. Jews were a tribe.
  • HottJoe

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    Dec 26, 2014 9:08 PM GMT
    terminator88 said
    sf_swimmer saidWhy would someone argue with a five-year-old?



    why would an old ugly man be on a jock site?

    IDK, why don't you find one and ask him?
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    Dec 26, 2014 9:14 PM GMT
    __morphic__ saidBang-Head-Here.jpg

    Ow!

    My screen broke.icon_cry.gif

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    Dec 26, 2014 9:22 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    __morphic__ said

    Ow!

    My screen broke.icon_cry.gif


    Explain like I am just born.
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    Dec 26, 2014 9:22 PM GMT
    This reminds me of an analogy I came up with. Let's suppose that King Arthur was real and Merlin too. King Arthur and many children and created a tribe of people that were followers of their messiah Merlin. This ethnicity is called Arthurians. Thousands of years later, it is revealed that King Arthur was just a legend and Merlin is pure myth. Does that mean Arthurians as an ethnicity exists?


    how can an ethnicity be real if the "history" behind it is false?
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    Dec 26, 2014 9:25 PM GMT
    terminator88 saidThis reminds me of an analogy I came up with. Let's suppose that King Arthur was real and Merlin too. King Arthur and many children and created a tribe of people that were followers of their messiah Merlin. This ethnicity is called Arthurians. Thousands of years later, it is revealed that King Arthur was just a legend and Merlin is pure myth. Does that mean Arthurians as an ethnicity exists?


    how can an ethnicity be real if the "history" behind it is false?

    Honestly, race, religion, nationality, etc, are all phony. We're all just humans on a rainbow. Yay!
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    Dec 26, 2014 9:26 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    terminator88 saidThis reminds me of an analogy I came up with. Let's suppose that King Arthur was real and Merlin too. King Arthur and many children and created a tribe of people that were followers of their messiah Merlin. This ethnicity is called Arthurians. Thousands of years later, it is revealed that King Arthur was just a legend and Merlin is pure myth. Does that mean Arthurians as an ethnicity exists?


    how can an ethnicity be real if the "history" behind it is false?

    Honestly, race, religion, nationality, etc, are all phony. We're all just humans on a rainbow. Yay!

    That's why my favorite color is rainbow. So pretty!
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    Dec 26, 2014 9:56 PM GMT
    What do u mean isnt historical? It is historical. In fact its very historical. Science doesnt disprove anything if anthing the SCIENCE BACKS UP the word of God.

    The bible speaks of each species being created after its kind. We were created exactly the way Adam was. We didnt stem from some "other" organism.

    We come from the dust.God breathed into man the breath of life. And man became a livin being.

    As far as abraham...sarah his wife at an old age were both promised son and that nations would come through him. He is called the father of "many" nations NOT all. Through Him both the Jews and Arabs come. They are biologically related. Not all of them.

    When they couldn't conceive sarah asked abraham to procreate with their handservant and he did...her name was Hagar...she bore Ishmael. sarah laughed when God told her she would have a son
    ...God asked Abram why did she laugh when I said she would have a child...she lied and said she didnt laugh. But God said oh, but you did laugh. The name isaac means laughter.


    When Sarah got jealous of hagar she kicked her out but on her way an angel spoke to her told her that Ishmael would be prosperous and "unruly". Today the arabs are unruly like the Lord said would happen.
  • HottJoe

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    Dec 26, 2014 10:00 PM GMT
    azariah1982 saidWhat do u mean isnt historical? It is historical. In fact its very historical. Science doesnt disprove anything if anthing the SCIENCE BACKS UP the word of God.

    The bible speaks of each species being created after its kind. We were created exactly the way Adam was. We didnt stem from some "other" organism.

    We come from the dust.God breathed into man the breath of life. And man became a livin being.

    As far as abraham...sarah his wife at an old age were both promised son and that nations would come through him. He is called the father of "many" nations NOT all. Through Him both the Jews and Arabs come. They are biologically related. Not all of them.

    When they couldn't conceive sarah asked abraham to procreate with their handservant and he did...her name was Hagar...she bore Ishmael. sarah laughed when God told her she would have a son
    ...God asked Abram why did she laugh when I said she would have a child...she lied and said she didnt laugh. But God said oh, but you did laugh. The name isaac means laughter.


    When Sarah got jealous of hagar she kicked her out but on her way an angel spoke to her told her that Ishmael would be prosperous and "unruly". Today the arabs are unruly like the Lord said would happen.

    It's a fact that Bruce Wayne is Batman!!!!
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    Dec 26, 2014 10:18 PM GMT
    What are you an 11 year old or something? U should grow up.
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    Dec 26, 2014 10:29 PM GMT
    g!D made promises to israel!

    First! God made UNCONDITIONAL promises to Abraham concerning the nation Israel and his physical descendants. "Unconditional"

    Genesis 12 (TO ABRAHAM)

    :1 Now the Lord said to Abram

    Go forth from your country and from your relatives and from your father's house to the land which I will show you.

    :2 AND I WILL make you a great nation,

    AND I WILL bless you, and make your name great;

    and so you shall be a blessing.

    :3 AND I WILL bless those who bless you,

    and the one who curses you I will curse.

    And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.

  • jeep334

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    Dec 26, 2014 10:32 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    Bunjamon saidLet me change it up for you a little:

    If humans are all descendants of of Adam and Eve, who never existed, does that mean that nobody is really human since those characters never existed?

    "Human" is such a demeaning word for us living gods, don't you think?


    We've gotten away from the topic at hand but I think Joe is absolutely correct, particularly if he's referring to himself. icon_wink.gif