Newly Diagnosed With HIV? Here's What's Next

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    Dec 29, 2014 1:04 AM GMT
    Just a reminder for anyone newly diagnosed, don't freak out! There are plenty of people within your community who are well informed, knowledgeable and not stigmatizing.


    http://www.advocate.com/health/here-inspire/2014/12/01/newly-diagnosed-hiv-heres-whats-next

    Finding out you're HIV-positive might be scary, but with the proper knowledge, it doesn't have to be.



    What do I do now?

    The first thing to do is to stop panicking. You are the same person who walked into the clinic before receiving your test results. It may seem like everything has changed, but it hasn’t. Still, there are some things you can do to ease your mind and find your way back to being OK.

    Find a doctor who is highly knowledgeable about HIV and is the right fit for you. You might be surprised about how uneducated your average family doctor is about HIV and how to treat it. The last thing you need is to be treated by a doctor who has just as many questions as you have. There are many HIV specialists who know exactly how to treat you, and that includes how to ease your concerns. These doctors can also act as your primary physician, who will keep your HIV diagnosis in mind when minor health issues arise along the way.
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    Dec 29, 2014 1:25 AM GMT
    timmm55 saidJust a reminder for anyone newly diagnosed, don't freak out! There are plenty of people within your community who are well informed, knowledgeable and not stigmatizing.


    http://www.advocate.com/health/here-inspire/2014/12/01/newly-diagnosed-hiv-heres-whats-next

    Finding out you're HIV-positive might be scary, but with the proper knowledge, it doesn't have to be.



    What do I do now?

    The first thing to do is to stop panicking. You are the same person who walked into the clinic before receiving your test results. It may seem like everything has changed, but it hasn’t. Still, there are some things you can do to ease your mind and find your way back to being OK.

    Find a doctor who is highly knowledgeable about HIV and is the right fit for you. You might be surprised about how uneducated your average family doctor is about HIV and how to treat it. The last thing you need is to be treated by a doctor who has just as many questions as you have. There are many HIV specialists who know exactly how to treat you, and that includes how to ease your concerns. These doctors can also act as your primary physician, who will keep your HIV diagnosis in mind when minor health issues arise along the way.

    For once I agree with you - sort of.

    HIV is not a death sentence today, agreed. But you seem to be going to the opposite extreme and trying to make it a non-issue.

    The reality is that it's a big issue, that you should do your best to avoid. Even with long-term care it's an expensive hassle nobody wants.

    Yes, guys are living long lives with HIV. I know many. And others are dying of AIDS quickly, I've gone to their funerals recently. It's a medical Russian roulette. You wanna play that game, fine. I would think most rational guys would not.

    So I understand your agenda. You promote barebacking. You promote unsafe sex. You tell us HIV is not a concern, if someone SAYS they have an undetectable viral load.

    Most of us here already have you pegged - you're a fucking bug-sharing liar. And anyone who follows your advice will end up as sick as you are, which apparently is your goal. icon_mad.gif
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    Dec 29, 2014 7:53 PM GMT
    Art Deco you're such an idiot.

    How you get any of that BS you spout, from this link or any I've posted, is beyond me. Have you bothered to research Dr. Fauci, Dr. Montaner, or any of the other Prize winners recipients:


    Dr. Fauci:
    2014 Prince Mahidol Award
    2013 Robert Koch Gold Medal
    2008 Presidential Medal of Freedom
    2007 Lasker Award (shared with Ralph M. Steinman and Alain F. Carpentier, Albert Starr)[9]
    2005 National Medal of Science
    2002 Albany Medical Center Prize
    1995 Ernst Jung Prize (shared with Samuel A. Wells, Jr.) [10]
    1979 Arthur S. Flemming Award

    Dr. Montaner:

    2009 - inducted in the Royal Society of Canada – The Academies of Arts, Humanities and Sciences (RSC).[37]
    2010 - Order of British Columbia in part for his work developing the Treatment as Prevention strategy, resulting in a decrease in HIV/AIDS infections and mortality.[38]
    2010 - Doctor of Science Honoris causa from Simon Fraser University.[39]
    2010 - Albert Einstein World Award of Science, awarded as “means of recognition to those persons who have accomplished scientific and technological achievements which have brought progress to science and benefit to mankind” for his leadership and development of novel HIV treatment strategies with world-wide impact.[40]
    2010 - Inaugural Aubrey J. Tingle Prize from the Michael Smith Foundation for Health Research for his contributions to advances in treatment and care of people living with HIV.[41]
    2010 - Prix Galien Research Award for his role in altering the management of HIV positive patients and for his discovery leading to the introduction of HAART triple therapy as the standard of care for HIV/AIDS.[42]
    2011 - UBC Jacob Biely Prize awarded “yearly to an active faculty member for a distinguished record of research publication” for his extensive research in HIV/AIDS.[43]
    2012 - Grand Decoration of Honour for Services to the Republic of Austria from the President of Austria for his HIV/AIDS research and development of novel treatment strategies.[44]
    2012 - Queen Elizabeth II Diamond Jubilee Medal for his work in groundbreaking HIV Research and as “recognition for his outstanding commitment and contributions to end the epidemic and to improve the lives of people living with and affected by HIV, both in Canada and internationally.” (Albert McNutt, Chair of the Canadian AIDS Society Board of Directors).[45]
    2013 - HRF Medal of Honour for his leadership and commitment to advancing HIV/AIDS treatment world-wide and improving the lives of HIV positive individuals.[46]
    2013 - Frederic Newton Gibson (F.N.G.) Star presented annually by the Canadian Medical Association to “individuals who have made outstanding contributions to science, the fine arts or literature, or by achievements in serving humanity under conditions calling for courage or the endurance of hardship in the promotion of health or the saving of life, in advancing the humanitarian or cultural life of his or her community or in improving medical service in Canada” for creating a global prototype for HIV/AIDS control.[2]
    2015 - Canadian Medical Hall of Fame[47]


    He won an Einstein award......and your expertise is what?


    The CDC, TasP, ACON, any of the leading health organizations?
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    Dec 29, 2014 8:04 PM GMT
    THEY won the awards, not you for misinterpreting what they said.

    Unsafe sex is still unsafe sex. And barebacking is gonna get guys killed.

    You are a danger to this site, and a danger to gay men.

    Sorry to be so blunt, but you are a menace to gays. If we follow your advice we'd become as sick as you are. Which apparently is your perverted goal.
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    Dec 29, 2014 9:56 PM GMT
    HIV is STILL a serious disease that will modify and affect your entire life. While its not a death sentence anymore taking all the meds FOR LIFE won't do any good to your body either.

    Stay safe people - use condoms.
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    Dec 29, 2014 9:57 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidTHEY won the awards, not you for misinterpreting what they said.

    Unsafe sex is still unsafe sex. And barebacking is gonna get guys killed.

    You are a danger to this site, and a danger to gay men.

    Sorry to be so blunt, but you are a menace to gays. If we follow your advice we'd become as sick as you are. Which apparently is your perverted goal.


    ^ That pretty much sums up every Timm55 post and his transparent agenda.
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    Art_Deco saidTHEY won the awards, not you for misinterpreting what they said.

    Unsafe sex is still unsafe sex. And barebacking is gonna get guys killed.

    You are a danger to this site, and a danger to gay men.

    Sorry to be so blunt, but you are a menace to gays. If we follow your advice we'd become as sick as you are. Which apparently is your perverted goal.


    You are as blunt as a dull knife. By limiting treatment options, YOU are preventing (through shame, stigma, intimidation, lies, etc.) other valid, new, alternatives.

    Can this be anymore to the point?

    Montaner:

    ”Well, I think that the data is very definitive at least in the case of sero-discordant heterosexual couples where we have the best available data, as a result of the randomized controlled trial reported on last year where we know that, after you become (viral-load) suppressed, in the absence of other co-morbidities – STIs and the like – the likelihood of transmission is very, very, very low indeed. Now, the problem here is that people very often want to know is there a risk or isn’t there a risk? And that’s a different discussion. We cannot prove the absence of risk.”

    Montaner adds: “So I’m perfectly comfortable to tell people that if you want to go forward and have, for example, unprotected sex while you are being protected by antiretroviral therapy, that is perfectly acceptable. On the other hand, you need to know that in the process of doing that, if there was a breakdown in adherence for example, you put yourself at risk. As long as you are willing and able to live with that kind of small risk, I’m perfectly happy to live with it.”

    “Some people, they want to be 100% sure that there is no risk. So they are not very comfortable with this kind of approach. What I usually tell people is look, if you think wearing condoms is the way to go and you are happy to advise and counsel people that condoms are as good as safe sex, I think you should be fully comfortable with advising fully suppressed individuals on HAART that they are as well protected as when using condoms, if not better protected. If they are concerned and want to use HAART and condoms, that would be even more protective. But that’s a judgement that fully informed couples should make.”

    http://www.positivelite.com/component/zoo/item/a-passionate-man-the-julio-montaner-interview-part-two

    Fauci:

    The model, says Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, is based on the observation that, "When you follow couples—one who's infected, the other who's not—the probability of infection diminishes when the viral load is very low," as when drugs have been administered. So, the study intends to get infected individuals' viral loads down to levels where they cannot infect their sexual partners#8212;even in the absence of a condom. "The philosophy," Fauci says, "is if you test everybody, and treat everybody who has HIV, you could use treatment as prevention."

    http://www.realjock.com/article/1546/

    BOTH:

    Patients with H.I.V. were 96 percent less likely to pass on the infection if they were taking antiretroviral drugs — a finding that is so overwhelming that it is likely to change the way American AIDS doctors treat patients and what treatment policies are adopted by the World Health Organization and other countries, said Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, which paid for the trial.

    Dr. Julio Montaner, an AIDS specialist at the University of British Columbia whose work among Vancouver heroin addicts helped lead to the Unaids policy, called the result of 96 percent protection “as good as it gets.”

    “This is consistent with what we’ve been saying and doing in British Columbia for close to a decade,” he said. “How much more evidence do we need before we implement what we know works?”

    The $73 million trial, known as HPTN 052, involved 1,763 couples in 13 cities on four continents. One member of each couple was infected with H.I.V.; the other was not. In half the couples, chosen at random, the infected partner was put on antiretroviral drugs as soon as he or she tested positive for the virus.

    Get off your moral high horse. Here the moral implications are raised in NOT doing TasP.

    "The results carry moral implications for doctors in the United States. Although medical associations like the Infectious Diseases Society of America advocate starting patients on AIDS drugs early, the decision is made by the doctor and patient. Some patients fear the reported side effects of AIDS drugs and want to delay taking the drugs until they get obviously sick or until their CD4 counts fall, and some doctors go along with that, Dr. Fauci said, especially as long as their patients’ CD4 counts remain above 350.

    But that means the patient may infect others during the delay. Of the 27 people in the study who became infected while their partners were not yet taking the drugs, 17 had partners whose CD4 counts were still above 350.

    Asked if it could now be considered immoral for a doctor to accede to a patient’s request to delay starting drugs, Dr. Fauci said: “I’m not going to go there. I’m not going to say it’s immoral. But there is more and more data showing the advantages of starting as early as you can.” "
    (That is the new US protocol, ASAP regardless of CD4 counts)
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/13/health/research/13hiv.html?_r=0

    Before you get your panties in a soiled bunch, the above was heterosexuals. The Partners Study was also Gay.

    "Montaner noted that the evidence has firmed up appreciably even in the last year. He cited the recent release of the interim PARTNER study results at CROI 2014 where there were no new infections in a large cohort of people with undetectable viral load, heterosexual or homosexual, confirming in effect the results of HPTN 052 and the often dismissed Swiss Cohort Study before that."

    http://www.positivelite.com/component/zoo/item/the-train-has-left-the-station

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    Dec 30, 2014 12:23 AM GMT
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    Art_Deco saidTHEY won the awards, not you for misinterpreting what they said.

    Unsafe sex is still unsafe sex. And barebacking is gonna get guys killed.

    You are a danger to this site, and a danger to gay men.

    Sorry to be so blunt, but you are a menace to gays. If we follow your advice we'd become as sick as you are. Which apparently is your perverted goal.


    ^ That pretty much sums up every Timm55 post and his transparent agenda.


    If it's so transparent.....how is someone who has effectively ZERO chance of passing on HIV, going to KILL someone with it? Never mind that I don't date Negative guys.

    Explain please, without insults how that is statistically possible?
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    Dec 30, 2014 12:26 AM GMT
    Back to the posted link:


    Can I only have sex with other people who are also HIV-positive?
    Of course not! Today, there are multiple ways to have safe sex, and believe it or not, most men are knowledgeable enough to know that informed sex is the safest sex of all, regardless of status. Again, staying compliant with your meds and maintaining an undetectable viral load is the best way to ensure that you never transmit the virus. This method of prevention is for your protection just as much as it is for your partner.


    This thread isn't for the shit mongers and haters. If you did just become POZ, there is a world of good people out there. Not Art Deco or David! They want anyone who is HIV POZ to be a 2nd class citizen. If you don't comply with 1990s science they feel free to insult and defame at will.

    They are like the people who call PrEP a "party drug" and "Truvada Whores" when it's nothing more than another way to protect yourself.

    And Undetectable is protection.
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    Dec 30, 2014 12:44 AM GMT
    Art_Deco said

    Unsafe sex is still unsafe sex. And barebacking is gonna get guys killed.


    Everybody gets it but you.

    The CDC has updated it's terminology.

    "By continuing to use ‘unprotected sex’ to mean ‘condom-less sex’ you fail to acknowledge and lose the breadth of the entire prevention narrative in how individuals and groups choose to protect themselves and mitigate risk.”

    A spokesperson for the CDC told the Bay Area Reporter that the changes have been under assessment for some time because, as “HIV prevention strategies evolve, the terminology needs to evolve as well.”

    Other HIV experts welcomed the change as well. Dr. Kenneth Mayer, medical research director and co-chair of the Fenway Institute at Boston’s Fenway Health, told the Reporter, “Unprotected sex conveys a sense of irresponsibility that may not accurately reflect a person’s decision about how to avoid HIV and other STD’s.”
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    Dec 30, 2014 1:15 AM GMT
    timmm55 said
    David3K said
    Art_Deco saidTHEY won the awards, not you for misinterpreting what they said.

    Unsafe sex is still unsafe sex. And barebacking is gonna get guys killed.

    You are a danger to this site, and a danger to gay men.

    Sorry to be so blunt, but you are a menace to gays. If we follow your advice we'd become as sick as you are. Which apparently is your perverted goal.


    ^ That pretty much sums up every Timm55 post and his transparent agenda.


    If it's so transparent.....how is someone who has effectively ZERO chance of passing on HIV, going to KILL someone with it? Never mind that I don't date Negative guys.

    Explain please, without insults how that is statistically possible?


    You dont have "zero" chances, HIV is still present in semen and other fluids. You are not cured, you still have HIV, have that in mind.

    Also, who guaratees that the next HIV+ guy that says "Im undetectable" is telling the truth? You promote BLIND TRUST which is the worst thing anyone could do regarding HIV.

    There is 1 simple rule to stay negative: don't trust others and their promises of "HIV-" or "undetectable", you never know what the truth is. Don't take any chances, protect yourself using a condom.
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    Dec 30, 2014 1:22 AM GMT
    David3K said
    timmm55 said
    David3K said
    Art_Deco saidTHEY won the awards, not you for misinterpreting what they said.

    Unsafe sex is still unsafe sex. And barebacking is gonna get guys killed.

    You are a danger to this site, and a danger to gay men.

    Sorry to be so blunt, but you are a menace to gays. If we follow your advice we'd become as sick as you are. Which apparently is your perverted goal.


    ^ That pretty much sums up every Timm55 post and his transparent agenda.


    If it's so transparent.....how is someone who has effectively ZERO chance of passing on HIV, going to KILL someone with it? Never mind that I don't date Negative guys.

    Explain please, without insults how that is statistically possible?


    You dont have "zero" chances, HIV is still present in semen and other fluids. You are not cured, you still have HIV, have that in mind.

    Also, who guaratee that the next HIV+ guy that says "Im undertectable" is telling the truth? You promote BLIND TRUST which is the worst thing anyone could do regarding HIV.

    People: don't trust others and their promises of "HIV-" or "undetectable", you never know what the truth is. Don't take chances, protect yourselves using a condom.


    "Effectively", can't you read? Probably "zero" by the Partner's Study. And with another Undetectable Guy? Do the math on that one!

    And the rest is irrelevant to me, as noted, my status is open. I don't promote blind trust.....EVER..........but you accuse of that all the time. Even though I've posted many articles on that alone......regardless of stated status.

    So what is my "transparent agenda?"

    It is to do.....what?
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    Dec 30, 2014 1:25 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
    timmm55 said

    This thread isn't for the shit mongers and haters. If you did just become POZ, there is a world of good people out there.



    It really is unfortunate that the lambasting has to persist in a thread like this. The last thing a newly infected person, who might be freaking out, needs to see and read here is all the excoriation and beratement.


    I try to put out as much useful information as possible....in between the nastiness. Art/David don't mean a thing to me.
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    Dec 30, 2014 2:17 AM GMT
    timmm55 said
    David3K said
    timmm55 said
    David3K said
    Art_Deco saidTHEY won the awards, not you for misinterpreting what they said.

    Unsafe sex is still unsafe sex. And barebacking is gonna get guys killed.

    You are a danger to this site, and a danger to gay men.

    Sorry to be so blunt, but you are a menace to gays. If we follow your advice we'd become as sick as you are. Which apparently is your perverted goal.


    ^ That pretty much sums up every Timm55 post and his transparent agenda.


    If it's so transparent.....how is someone who has effectively ZERO chance of passing on HIV, going to KILL someone with it? Never mind that I don't date Negative guys.

    Explain please, without insults how that is statistically possible?


    You dont have "zero" chances, HIV is still present in semen and other fluids. You are not cured, you still have HIV, have that in mind.

    Also, who guaratee that the next HIV+ guy that says "Im undertectable" is telling the truth? You promote BLIND TRUST which is the worst thing anyone could do regarding HIV.

    People: don't trust others and their promises of "HIV-" or "undetectable", you never know what the truth is. Don't take chances, protect yourselves using a condom.


    "Effectively", can't you read? Probably "zero" by the Partner's Study. And with another Undetectable Guy? Do the math on that one!

    And the rest is irrelevant to me, as noted, my status is open. I don't promote blind trust.....EVER..........but you accuse of that all the time. Even though I've posted many articles on that alone......regardless of stated status.

    So what is my "transparent agenda?"

    It is to do.....what?


    And why on earth should anyone believe in what you say? For all they know you could be lying in order to have bareback sex. The only way for someone to have sex with you and protect themselves is to use a condom, otherwise they're placing their own health in your hands.
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    Dec 30, 2014 2:23 AM GMT
    David3K said
    timmm55 said
    David3K said
    timmm55 said
    David3K said
    Art_Deco saidTHEY won the awards, not you for misinterpreting what they said.

    Unsafe sex is still unsafe sex. And barebacking is gonna get guys killed.

    You are a danger to this site, and a danger to gay men.

    Sorry to be so blunt, but you are a menace to gays. If we follow your advice we'd become as sick as you are. Which apparently is your perverted goal.


    ^ That pretty much sums up every Timm55 post and his transparent agenda.


    If it's so transparent.....how is someone who has effectively ZERO chance of passing on HIV, going to KILL someone with it? Never mind that I don't date Negative guys.

    Explain please, without insults how that is statistically possible?


    You dont have "zero" chances, HIV is still present in semen and other fluids. You are not cured, you still have HIV, have that in mind.

    Also, who guaratee that the next HIV+ guy that says "Im undertectable" is telling the truth? You promote BLIND TRUST which is the worst thing anyone could do regarding HIV.

    People: don't trust others and their promises of "HIV-" or "undetectable", you never know what the truth is. Don't take chances, protect yourselves using a condom.


    "Effectively", can't you read? Probably "zero" by the Partner's Study. And with another Undetectable Guy? Do the math on that one!

    And the rest is irrelevant to me, as noted, my status is open. I don't promote blind trust.....EVER..........but you accuse of that all the time. Even though I've posted many articles on that alone......regardless of stated status.

    So what is my "transparent agenda?"

    It is to do.....what?


    And why on earth should anyone believe in what you say? For all they know you could be lying in order to have bareback sex. The only way for someone to have sex with you and protect themselves is to use a condom, otherwise they're placing their own health in your hands.
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    Stop dodging WTF is my supposed " transparent agenda"?

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    Dec 30, 2014 5:07 AM GMT
    So two people are about to hook up. It's up to them to protect THEMSELVES.

    If "A" wants to bareback and he/she is not on PreP then "A" is being a fool. The same goes for "B".

    There are these ethical questions:
    - Should "A" or "B" ask the other party their Status?
    - Should "A" or "B" put any credit on the other's party answer?
    - Should "A" or "B" spontaneously disclose their status without been asked first?

    And guess what? The answer is the same for the 3 questions: It doesn't matter! "A" and "B" should take ownership of their OWN protection.

    Whatever "A" or "B" say about their own HIV status DOESN'T MATTER. It doesn't even matter is the answer is true or not. You have to take care for YOURSELF.

    Now, if "A" or "B" wants/insist on barebacking and the other doesn't it is a "NOT GO" situation and the hook-up should be cancelled.

    I personally have been the person pressured to bareback and I'm SO GLAD I didn't cave in. Time proved the pressuring partner to not be a trustworthy person at all.
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    Dominican_Gent saidSo two people are about to hook up. It's up to them to protect THEMSELVES.

    If "A" wants to bareback and he/she is not on PreP then "A" is being a fool. The same goes for "B".

    There are these ethical questions:
    - Should "A" or "B" ask the other party their Status?
    - Should "A" or "B" put any credit on the other's party answer?
    - Should "A" or "B" spontaneously disclose their status without been asked first?

    And guess what? The answer is the same for the 3 questions: It doesn't matter! "A" and "B" should take ownership of their OWN protection.

    Whatever "A" or "B" say about their own HIV status DOESN'T MATTER. It doesn't even matter is the answer is true or not. You have to take care for YOURSELF.

    Now, if "A" or "B" wants/insist on barebacking and the other doesn't it is a "NOT GO" situation and the hook-up should be cancelled.

    I personally have been the person pressured to bareback and I'm SO GLAD I didn't cave in. Time proved the pressuring partner to not be a trustworthy person at all.


    +1
    Well said!

    Have in mind though PrEP is proven to be very dificult to take correctly. Most people can't follow the strict doses and it ends up being uneffective.
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    Dominican_Gent saidSo two people are about to hook up. It's up to them to protect THEMSELVES.

    If "A" wants to bareback and he/she is not on PreP then "A" is being a fool. The same goes for "B".

    There are these ethical questions:
    - Should "A" or "B" ask the other party their Status?
    - Should "A" or "B" put any credit on the other's party answer?
    - Should "A" or "B" spontaneously disclose their status without been asked first?

    And guess what? The answer is the same for the 3 questions: It doesn't matter! "A" and "B" should take ownership of their OWN protection.

    Whatever "A" or "B" say about their own HIV status DOESN'T MATTER. It doesn't even matter is the answer is true or not. You have to take care for YOURSELF.

    Now, if "A" or "B" wants/insist on barebacking and the other doesn't it is a "NOT GO" situation and the hook-up should be cancelled.

    I personally have been the person pressured to bareback and I'm SO GLAD I didn't cave in. Time proved the pressuring partner to not be a trustworthy person at all.


    +1
    Well said!

    Have in mind though PrEP is proven to be very dificult to take correctly. Most people can't follow the strict doses and it ends up being uneffective.


    No, you said "otherwise they're placing their own health in your hands." Gent says to take responsibility for yourself. You place the responsibility on the other person.

    You are agreeing with a diametrically opposed argument.

    Consensual sex is not the same as negotiated sex. Agreeing to have sex is not the same as agreeing to WHAT kind of sex you are going to have. If two people agree to have sex, but one says, for example, they only have oral sex with condoms....that is the bottom line. The negotiation has stopped. Agree to those terms or move along!

    PrEP is not that difficult or strict. It's one pill a day! And taken that way it's 96-100% effective.
    Throw in common laziness, stigma of HIV pills or worse, Meth, and adherence goes down.
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    Dec 30, 2014 9:31 PM GMT
    Timmm55, by expecting gays to trust your status you're promoting blind trust. That is very dangerous. In a hook up you never know whether the guy is "negative" or "undetectable" for real, they could be lying, their status might have changed or they simply don't know. Therefore the only way for people to protect themselves without depending on anybody else is to wear a condom.

    The fact you don't understand/accept this basic, very basic and important concept shows how much of a threat you are for the gay community.
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    David3K saidTimmm55, by expecting gays to trust your status you're promoting blind trust. That is very dangerous. In a hook up you never know whether the guy is "negative" or "undetectable" for real, they could be lying, their status might have changed or they simply don't know. Therefore the only way for people to protect themselves without depending on anybody else is to wear a condom.

    The fact you don't understand/accept this basic, very basic and important concept shows how much of a threat you are for the gay community.


    God you're such a nitwit!

    Did you read this from another post?

    "I particularly agree with the Dr.'s comment here:
    "If you're going to make important health decisions based on what a partner tells you, you need to be confident that the information you're getting is right. Some people may believe they are undetectable, but actually aren't. If a person stops taking their HIV medications, they rapidly become detectable and can transmit HIV. Also, some people are not entirely truthful with their partners. I'm not saying that your partner is not being truthful or that lots of people lie about being undetectable, but some people are not entirely honest. You really need to trust someone if you're going to take a significant risk based on what they tell you. At least to me, it's one thing to trust someone you know and care about. It's quite another thing to wager your health on what someone you've never met before says on their online profile.""

    You really don't have a clue what my position is, do you?

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    Dec 30, 2014 11:10 PM GMT
    ^ Your position is you advocate bareback sex hiding behind your undetectable status, that means you expect people to trust your word on it instead of using condoms. You are a threat Trimmm55.
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    Dec 30, 2014 11:28 PM GMT
    David3K said^ Your position is you advocate bareback sex hiding behind your undetectable status, that means you expect people to trust your word on it instead of using condoms. You are a threat Trimmm55.


    Who do I expect to trust me?
    People I trust. And that's people who self-describe as being Undetectable themselves.
    If two people are Undetectable, it's none of your business.

    Don't even bother with the "super infection" crap

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    Good afternoon doc. And merry Christmas. I just recently did my follow up labs for my newly diagnosis of being positive. Within a month, I'm now undetectable. My married and my hubby is POZ too. He spoke with our doctor and he asked about having sex with each other without a condom. The doctor says that it was okay and I'm kind of iffy about it. Can you tell me if its okay to have condomless sex with each out when we're undetectable and both on the same meds?

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    Merry Christmas to you, too…and to all my readers.

    If one of you infected the other, then you both have the same virus and it’s safe, as long as you’re monogamous.

    If you each were infected by someone else, then there’s a theoretical risk of “superinfection” (reinfections with a different strain). But that’s not going to happen if you both have undetectable viral loads, so it’s still safe.

    Before you give up condoms, be sure you’ve both been tested for sexually transmitted diseases since the last time you had sex with other partners.



    Being undetectable I'm not much of a threat to anybody. But in this era of HIV criminalization I consider Negative guys a potential threat to me.

    Congratulations! You've eliminated a Gay group that can't infect you! That increased your odds of getting HIV.

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    David3K said^ Your position is you advocate bareback sex hiding behind your undetectable status, that means you expect people to trust your word on it instead of using condoms. You are a threat Trimmm55.


    And I do use condoms if that's their preference.
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    If you have nothing to contribute to "Newly Diagnosed With HIV? Here's What's Next"....and it's all about your hate, stay away.
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    timmm55 said
    David3K said^ Your position is you advocate bareback sex hiding behind your undetectable status, that means you expect people to trust your word on it instead of using condoms. You are a threat Trimmm55.


    Who do I expect to trust me?
    People I trust. And that's people who self-describe as being Undetectable themselves.
    If two people are Undetectable, it's none of your business.




    You admit you would trust someone saying they're undetectable and would bareback with them. Did you also trust the one that said was negative and infected you with HIV?

    Some people just never learn.