the war in whatever has ended

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    Dec 29, 2014 3:47 AM GMT
    After 13 years, the U.S. has formally ended the war in Afghanistan. Though the U.S. and Britain ended operations in Afghanistan in October.

    "Afghanistan have mixed feelings about the withdraw of foreign troops as Taliban insurgents remain a prominent and dangerous threat to this day. In fact, this year has been the most deadly since the war began with civilian casualties expected to reach 10,000 for the first time."
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    Dec 29, 2014 8:08 PM GMT
    pouncer saidCongratulations to the Afghan people. May they rebuild a better society in the wake of 35 years of Soviet and American domination.

    Sure, but the US will (hopefully) offer asylum to anyone who wants to get their sons and daughters out of there!!!
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    Dec 29, 2014 8:17 PM GMT
    pouncer saidCongratulations to the Afghan people. May they rebuild a better society in the wake of 35 years of Soviet and American domination.



    There's a better chance petunias will sprout out of my ass.

    But I'm glad we are getting the Hell out of there. Let them deal with the Taliban on their own.
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    Dec 29, 2014 8:22 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    pouncer saidCongratulations to the Afghan people. May they rebuild a better society in the wake of 35 years of Soviet and American domination.

    Sure, but the US will (hopefully) offer asylum to anyone who wants to get their sons and daughters out of there!!!


    That's the problem. No one wants to stay and fight for their own freedom and the freedom of their society. We would still be a British colony or protectorate if the colonist sat around and did nothing or fled to another country. The price of freedom isn't cheap. It usually costs lives. I'm sick of it being American lives. Let's stop babysitting the world.
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    Dec 29, 2014 9:07 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan said
    HottJoe said
    pouncer saidCongratulations to the Afghan people. May they rebuild a better society in the wake of 35 years of Soviet and American domination.

    Sure, but the US will (hopefully) offer asylum to anyone who wants to get their sons and daughters out of there!!!


    That's the problem. No one wants to stay and fight for their own freedom and the freedom of their society. We would still be a British colony or protectorate if the colonist sat around and did nothing or fled to another country. The price of freedom isn't cheap. It usually costs lives. I'm sick of it being American lives. Let's stop babysitting the world.

    Anyone who wants to immigrate to the US should be encouraged to do so. We are THE nation of immigrants, and everyone from all walks of life should feel like they can move here and get the same fair shake as the next guy.
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    Dec 29, 2014 9:10 PM GMT
    pouncer saidWell they stayed long enough to see off two superpower invasions and occupations. In fact they've been seeing off would-be conquerors pretty much since Alexander the Great. The Americans leaving is great news for Afghanistan. What the future brings we never know, but this is a long-overdue part of that future, and may the Afghans live and prosper.

    Yeah, it's pretty ridiculous. But it sounds like it's dangerous there for young people, especially girls, and regardless who is responsible for the problems there, I don't think people who are unfortunate enough to be born into oppression should have to stay somewhere that is unsafe for them to live.
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    Dec 29, 2014 10:14 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    pouncer saidWell they stayed long enough to see off two superpower invasions and occupations. In fact they've been seeing off would-be conquerors pretty much since Alexander the Great. The Americans leaving is great news for Afghanistan. What the future brings we never know, but this is a long-overdue part of that future, and may the Afghans live and prosper.

    Yeah, it's pretty ridiculous. But it sounds like it's dangerous there for young people, especially girls, and regardless who is responsible for the problems there, I don't think people who are unfortunate enough to be born into oppression should have to stay somewhere that is unsafe for them to live.
    joe they live in stone Ages . Women have no badic rights and can't even read . Pouncer is a disgusting looking pig
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    Dec 29, 2014 11:18 PM GMT
    The ad hominem attacks are uncalled for. You need to conduct yourself in a civil manner and contribute something of value to the discussion or just surf some porn and jerk off.
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    Dec 30, 2014 12:10 AM GMT
    pouncer saidI am all for Afghans staying where they are and building a better Afghanistan. They have defended their country from invaders and can be proud. However, if some should choose to emigrate, I totally agree they should be welcomed, into your country, mine or any other.


    Then they can defend themselves from the Taliban. As far as welcoming them into any country they should be welcome if they have something to contribute to the society at large or were aiding the occupying force then the occupying force's country has an ethical obligation to ensure their safety. As far as humanitarian reasons that should be the purview of the UN and member nations should all agree to taking a determined number of refugees.
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    Dec 30, 2014 2:39 AM GMT
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    UndercoverMan saidThe ad hominem attacks are uncalled for. You need to conduct yourself in a civil manner and contribute something of value to the discussion or just surf some porn and jerk off.

    What "ad hominem attacks"?


    The one in which guido4life referred to you as "a disgusting looking pig."

    There were others but he seems to have deleted them.
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    Dec 30, 2014 2:40 AM GMT
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    UndercoverMan said
    pouncer saidI am all for Afghans staying where they are and building a better Afghanistan. They have defended their country from invaders and can be proud. However, if some should choose to emigrate, I totally agree they should be welcomed, into your country, mine or any other.


    Then they can defend themselves from the Taliban. As far as welcoming them into any country they should be welcome if they have something to contribute to the society at large or were aiding the occupying force. Then the occupying force's country has an ethical obligation to ensure their safety. As far as humanitarian reasons that should be the purview of the UN and member nations should all agree to taking a determined number of refugees.

    Plainly stated. All occupying armies love collaborators, and anyone else who can be co-opted by carrot or by stick. The plus for the Afghans is that they can now decide their own future vis-a-vis the Taliban, and make their own way in the world free of the neo-colonial yoke.


    If you think the Taliban is going to allow the Afghan people any freedom and self determination you are woefully naive.
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    Dec 30, 2014 4:22 PM GMT
    I would never want to live in a country controlled by religious people. The separation of church and state is essential, because religion is optional to the individual. I'm agnostic and I would never abide by any religion. I learned that from critically evaluating my time as a child in Catholic school, which is basically a cult that brainwashes people into seeing themselves as a separate people from the rest of the world. Nonsense, Christian people, Islamic people, Jewish people, etc are all the same, and anyone who says differently is dangerous and an obvious bigot.
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    Dec 30, 2014 10:29 PM GMT
    HottJoe said... Nonsense, Christian people, Islamic people, Jewish people, etc are all the same, and anyone who says differently is dangerous and an obvious bigot.


    Yes, we are the same as we are all human beings but are vastly different in world views, concepts of god, etc. and some harbor views that are more dangerous than others. I'm not a bigot; I'm a realist.
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    Dec 31, 2014 1:15 AM GMT
    pouncer saidNo I don't think the Taliban will offer them anything worth having. Now they are on their own, I hope they reject the old rulers.

    Sorry for the misunderstanding about ad hominems, I have Guido on ignore as he stalks me relentlessly and never has anything worthwhile to say.
    your nothing more then a jew hating nazi looming gremlin ,
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    Dec 31, 2014 5:07 AM GMT
    HottJoe saidI would never want to live in a country controlled by religious people. The separation of church and state is essential, because religion is optional to the individual. I'm agnostic and I would never abide by any religion. I learned that from critically evaluating my time as a child in Catholic school, which is basically a cult that brainwashes people into seeing themselves as a separate people from the rest of the world. Nonsense, Christian people, Islamic people, Jewish people, etc are all the same, and anyone who says differently is dangerous and an obvious bigot.


    So you are moving then? Usa is one of the largest theocracies in the world.