Jan 06, 2015 4:24 AM GMT
Dr. Ehrman (at about 4 minutes): "If you're going to make up a messiah, you'd make up a super hero. You wouldn't make up someone who was humiliated, tortured, and killed by the enemy."
Steefen: If you're going to make up a messiah during the Flavian Empire (Emperor Vespasian, former general in the First Jewish-Roman War; Emperor Titus, former general in the First Jewish-Roman War), the Jewish Messiah must lose, historically reflecting the outcome of the First Jewish-Roman War.
Point of fact: Vespasian did kill a Jesus of Galilee. Did Jesus really miss the elephant in the room, Rome, and not call it evil; or, again, we have gospels written during the reign of those who defeated the Jewish Revolt who would not consider their rule of Israel evil?
Second, with Paul running expressing his desire to be tried by Nero rather than Jews, one would suspect his "Jesus crucified" would keep him out of trouble in Rome. Just as Pilate could care less if Jesus' kingdom was in Heaven, Nero could care less if Jesus was coming again, lifting live and dead people into mid air.
At about 5 minutes, you say Jesus was an apocalyptic prophet. I do not think you give Jesus credit for foretelling the destruction of the Temple (gospels are dated after the destruction of the Temple because scholars do not acknowledge Jesus foresaw the armies in Jerusalem and foresaw the Temple's destruction). Take away the Tribulation the biblical Jesus foresaw (people frightened by the armies surrounding cities, the destruction of the Temple and the city), where is the apocalypse in the apocalyptic prophet?