Transgender woman Kay Long turned away from Western Wall in Jerusalem

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    Jan 08, 2015 4:33 PM GMT
    Transgender woman turned away from Western Wall in Jerusalem

    Stylist is barred from both the male and female sections of the holy site



    - See more at: http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/transgender-woman-turned-away-western-wall-jerusalem080115
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    Jan 09, 2015 4:47 PM GMT
    Well, the least they could have done was let him/her straddle the line separating the men and women.
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    Jan 09, 2015 5:04 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan saidWell, the least they could have done was let him/her straddle the line separating the men and women.


    Look anywhere else in the Mideast she would have been stoned or shot.

    That said this may be the one case where Iran is better than Israel on gay rights. They do pay for transgender men to transition. The only problem is that THEY FORCE GAY MEN TO BECOME WOMEN TOO. In other words they physically castrate gay men, force them to take hormones, and they do so ON PAIN OF DEATH!
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    Jan 09, 2015 9:54 PM GMT
    Gender separation happens at mosques too. I wonder what would've happened if a transgendered tried to enter one in even Turkey.

    Sidebar: Hard to go unnoticed when you're 6'7" but otherwise she totally passes - could be Carole King's sister!
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    Jan 10, 2015 4:39 AM GMT
    I could understand the orthodox chapter of the Ladies of Hadassah denying him/her immersion in their temple's mikveh, but I'd have thought the Wailing Wall open to all sects of Judaism. I didn't realize that only orthodox prayer was allowed there until very recently because I always thought of it as not just about the holiest place in the religion but also a tourist attraction.

    So it seems they now allow dogs there, just not transexuals.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Wall
    Guide dogs began to be allowed at the Western Wall in 2013, due to a new ruling by Western Wall Rabbi Shmuel Rabinovitch.


    Meanwhile...

    Until 2013, non-Orthodox prayer was not allowed at the Wall due to the regulations of the Law of the Holy Places, and thus women who prayed using tallits and tefillin were often arrested and given restraining orders keeping them away.[129] Then in April 2013, Judge Moshe Sobel of the Jerusalem District Court ruled that as long as there is no other appropriate area for pluralistic prayer, women should be allowed to pray according to non-Orthodox customs at the Wall.[129] As of 2014, negotiations are ongoing with a view to creating an area for pluralistic prayer at the Wall, and officially nullifying the regulations that disallowed non-Orthodox prayer there
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    Jan 10, 2015 4:46 PM GMT
    Playstinian saidLMAF @ pro-Israel in here.



    Well, that was a pretty douchie thing to say. So your writing "That is really really sad" wasn't really really commentary on the treatment of a transsexual anywhere in the world as you might have liked it to have been read but rather an anti-Israel comment which you'd have rather remained subliminal?

    My great grandfather was a Zionist and I've still our property in Israel's 1st settlement outside of Jerusalem from the 1800s. And when I see something wrong, either by Israeli policy as I did in my post above or your particular brand of horseshit, as I see here, I'll call it out:

    The head rabbi who would deny a transsexual access to the Wailing Wall on so-called religious grounds and you for your anti-Jewish comment here should both go fuck yourselves.

    LMAF as you go fuck yourself.

    Fuck you.
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    Jan 12, 2015 10:55 PM GMT
    theantijock saidSo it seems they now allow dogs there, just not transexuals.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Wall
    Guide dogs began to be allowed at the Western Wall in 2013, due to a new ruling by Western Wall Rabbi Shmuel Rabinovitch.


    Meanwhile...

    ...negotiations are ongoing with a view to creating an area for pluralistic prayer at the Wall, and officially nullifying the regulations that disallowed non-Orthodox prayer there

    I'm anti-Orthodox Judaism on this subject (many, actually), even though I'm sure the intent to allow guide dogs for the disabled was not to subtly reference the unfortunate, historic anti-Semitic parallel of allowing dogs before Jews. Orthodox Jews can be as unyielding, oft-putting and extremist as any extreme practitioner of any religion. I was very surprised to see that a "pluralist" section had yet to be created since, when I was 21 or 22 my best friend in Israel was a Teen Mr. Jordan (did I mention I was cute then?) and when I was his wingman for picking up foxes (he got a LOT of tail) Friday nights at The Western Wall (as I mentioned on another thread, when your friends are better looking than you you're better looking-by-association) non-Orthodox Jews actively prayed at the wall. (Hard to believe he's now pushing 50.) Glad to see a pluralist section is in the works.