Exodus: Gods and Kings (Trailer and Any Comments)

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    Jan 09, 2015 10:47 PM GMT
    Looks like a really cool movie, but Jews and Christians are not supporting it because it does not reflect religious belief. Which, if that is the way they feel, I don't think the intent of the movie was for religious purposes. Others don't support it because the actors were not racially correct, which I find stupid because that is not what acting is about. In the works of William Shakespeare, the women were played by men. Acting is a form of telling a story and such sarcastic remarks are purely ignorant.
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    Haven't seen it but who can beat the riveting drama of the '50s film version of "The Ten Commandments?" That was pure soap opera, a love story.

    Gotta love the hokey cast (Jewish Edward G. Robinson as the lapdog to overseer Vincent Price? "Executive Suite's" Nina Foch as Moses' adoptive mother? The Six Million Dollar Man's mom Martha Scott as Moses' birth mother?), all of whom wore brown contacts to look Egyptian or Jewish (excepting "The Munster's" Yvonne DeCarlo who didn't want her best feature, her eye color, compromised).
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    Jan 10, 2015 2:13 PM GMT
    Not a fan of Christian Bale, but more importantly, who plays Memnet??!!!
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    AMoonHawk saidLooks like a really cool movie, but Jews and Christians are not supporting it because it does not reflect religious belief. Which, if that is the way they feel, I don't think the intent of the movie was for religious purposes. Others don't support it because the actors were not racially correct, which I find stupid because that is not what acting is about. In the works of William Shakespeare, the women were played by men. Acting is a form of telling a story and such sarcastic remarks are purely ignorant.


    What's purely ignorant is making a comment like that without realizing why people are upset.

    1.) It's much harder for non white actors to get cast in blockbuster films because very few roles are written for them. There are a ton of actors of color who could have played those roles but they were denied that opportunity. Christian Bale and Aaron Paul will work again. They'll be fine. Piles and piles of scripts land on their desks every day because they're famous, but also because they're white.

    White people believe that they can be stand in's for everyone's experience. A white man can play anyone.

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    When does it end. When is it okay to acknowledge that not all of our historic and mythological figures were white? And don't tell me it's about talent. There are plenty of talented actors of color who could have played those roles as well or better.

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    eagermuscle saidHaven't seen it but who can beat the riveting drama of the '50s film version of "The Ten Commandments?" That was pure soap opera, a love story.

    Gotta love the hokey cast (Jewish Edward G. Robinson as the lapdog to the overseer? "Executive Suite's" Nina Foch as Moses' adoptive mother? The Six Million Dollar Man's mom Martha Scott?), all of whom wore brown contacts to look Egyptian or Jewish (excepting "The Munster's" Yvonne DeCarlo who didn't want her best feature, her eye color, compromised).


    I'm hoping to make a vague comparison after I go see it.

    Wish I were seeing it with you, given you know so much about the film The Ten Commandments.
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    Jan 10, 2015 4:36 PM GMT
    Insane people lamenting the historical inaccuracy of a fictional story.icon_rolleyes.gif

    Sure, make Him black or Asian or white. Who cares? Since when does God discriminate anyway? That's something only humans and other animals do, and it's all based on physical characteristics, which have nothing to do with anything heavenly.
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    Jan 10, 2015 4:39 PM GMT
    BuggEyedSprite saidNot a fan of Christian Bale, but more importantly, who plays Memnet??!!!


    Ha, ha.

    http://tencommandmentsfilm.wikia.com/wiki/Memnet
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    Jan 10, 2015 4:41 PM GMT
    IMDB / The Ten Commandments / Score: 7.9

    IMDB / Exodus: Gods and Kings / Score: 6.3
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    Jan 10, 2015 4:50 PM GMT
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    AMoonHawk saidLooks like a really cool movie, but Jews and Christians are not supporting it because it does not reflect religious belief. Which, if that is the way they feel, I don't think the intent of the movie was for religious purposes. Others don't support it because the actors were not racially correct, which I find stupid because that is not what acting is about. In the works of William Shakespeare, the women were played by men. Acting is a form of telling a story and such sarcastic remarks are purely ignorant.


    What's purely ignorant is making a comment like that without realizing why people are upset.

    1.) It's much harder for non white actors to get cast in blockbuster films because very few roles are written for them. There are a ton of actors of color who could have played those roles but they were denied that opportunity. Christian Bale and Aaron Paul will work again. They'll be fine. Piles and piles of scripts land on their desks every day because they're famous, but also because they're white.

    White people believe that they can be stand in's for everyone's experience. A white man can play anyone.

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    When does it end. When is it okay to acknowledge that not all of our historic and mythological figures were white? And don't tell me it's about talent. There are plenty of talented actors of color who could have played those roles as well or better.



    White people have to be portrayed in all positions of power. It's a propaganda thing. God wants to be on Moses' side? Moses has to be h-White. God has to have a son? Jesus has to be h-White. That's the way it was when I was growing up. I did see Peter Brook's Hamlet where Hamlet was played by a Black actor, Adrian Lester.

    Western Civilization has been European Civilization to a significant extent.

    At least they don't try to make a blockbuster movie of King Tut-ankh-amun with a White King Tut--but we did get enough of Steve Martin.
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    Jan 10, 2015 4:52 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidInsane people lamenting the historical inaccuracy of a fictional story.icon_rolleyes.gif



    You truly just talk without knowing.

    There was a Moses and there was an Exodus. The history was mythologized but it is historical at its core.
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    Jan 10, 2015 4:58 PM GMT
    Brad Pitt has a new "Name Game Song" that will help us all pronounce Selma star David Oyelowo's name correctly.

    "Tonight we celebrate an actor brave enough to step into the shoes of Martin Luther King," Pitt said while presenting Oyelowo with the Breakthrough Performance Award for an Actor at the 2015 Palm Springs International Film Festival awards Gala on Saturday. "I know there is one lingering question in the back of your minds. And that question is, 'How the hell do you pronounce his name?'"

    So, David was in Interstellar and Selma.
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    Best Black Male Actors UK

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    Jan 10, 2015 5:02 PM GMT
    StephenOABC saidIMDB / The Ten Commandments / Score: 7.9

    IMDB / Exodus: Gods and Kings / Score: 6.3


    IMDB / Interstellar / Score: 8.9

    Now, I've got to go to the RJ thread about last movie seen and rating.
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    Jan 10, 2015 5:13 PM GMT
    StephenOABC said
    HottJoe saidInsane people lamenting the historical inaccuracy of a fictional story.icon_rolleyes.gif



    You truly just talk without knowing.

    There was a Moses and there was an Exodus. The history was mythologized but it is historical at its core.

    I don't trust anyone who says they know the answers. You're just acting superior over me. You're not. What are you going to do, kill me?
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    Jan 10, 2015 5:16 PM GMT
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    DEKIRUMAN said
    AMoonHawk saidLooks like a really cool movie, but Jews and Christians are not supporting it because it does not reflect religious belief. Which, if that is the way they feel, I don't think the intent of the movie was for religious purposes. Others don't support it because the actors were not racially correct, which I find stupid because that is not what acting is about. In the works of William Shakespeare, the women were played by men. Acting is a form of telling a story and such sarcastic remarks are purely ignorant.


    What's purely ignorant is making a comment like that without realizing why people are upset.

    1.) It's much harder for non white actors to get cast in blockbuster films because very few roles are written for them. There are a ton of actors of color who could have played those roles but they were denied that opportunity. Christian Bale and Aaron Paul will work again. They'll be fine. Piles and piles of scripts land on their desks every day because they're famous, but also because they're white.

    White people believe that they can be stand in's for everyone's experience. A white man can play anyone.

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    When does it end. When is it okay to acknowledge that not all of our historic and mythological figures were white? And don't tell me it's about talent. There are plenty of talented actors of color who could have played those roles as well or better.



    White people have to be portrayed in all positions of power. It's a propaganda thing. God wants to be on Moses' side? Moses has to be h-White. God has to have a son? Jesus has to be h-White. That's the way it was when I was growing up. I did see Peter Brook's Hamlet where Hamlet was played by a Black actor, Adrian Lester.

    Western Civilization has been European Civilization to a significant extent.

    At least they don't try to make a blockbuster movie of King Tut-ankh-amun with a White King Tut--but we did get enough of Steve Martin.

    Why not just kill all the white people and say it's God's plan? God must see what you see, which is white = evil.
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    Jan 10, 2015 6:06 PM GMT
    The contributions that egypt has made to human civilization are as valuable at that of the greeks and romans.

    Historically, there has been an obsessions with preserving the Idea that that all 3 of these societies were entirely white. Greece and Rome were mostly European but being empires had many people of color living there as well. Since the Greeks didn't really care about race the way we do today plenty of people from Africa and central Asia contributed ideas and technologies to Greece and Rome and were respected as citizens.

    In our imagination however, Greece and Rome are entirely white states.

    Egypt was not a white State at all. And to imagine it as such is to deny that people of color have also contributed to western civilization.

    I don't think it's fair for white children to learn about All of the great achievements of European Society and feel a sense of fictive kinship with those people, but deny people of color the opportunity to do the same with Ancient Egypt.

    To give context, this didn't start with Exodus. It's been going on for a long time.

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    Jan 10, 2015 6:18 PM GMT
    DEKIRUMAN saidThe contributions that egypt has made to human civilization are as valuable at that of the greeks and romans.

    Historically, there has been an obsessions with preserving the Idea that that all 3 of these societies were entirely white. Greece and Rome were mostly European but being empires had many people of color living there as well. Since the Greeks didn't really care about race the way we do today plenty of people from Africa and central Asia contributed ideas and technologies to Greece and Rome and were respected as citizens.

    In our imagination however, Greece and Rome are entirely white states.

    Egypt was not a white State at all. And to imagine it as such is to deny that people of color have also contributed to western civilization.

    I don't think it's fair for white children to learn about All of the great achievements of European Society and feel a sense of fictive kinship with those people, but deny people of color the opportunity to do the same with Ancient Egypt.

    To give context, this didn't start with Exodus. It's been going on for a long time.


    I'm pretty sure the people you're looking to exclude came from neanderthals in Europe, but that was so long ago that it shouldn't matter, so let's just make love, not war!icon_razz.gif
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    DEKIRUMAN saidThe contributions that egypt has made to human civilization are as valuable at that of the greeks and romans.

    Historically, there has been an obsessions with preserving the Idea that that all 3 of these societies were entirely white. Greece and Rome were mostly European but being empires had many people of color living there as well. Since the Greeks didn't really care about race the way we do today plenty of people from Africa and central Asia contributed ideas and technologies to Greece and Rome and were respected as citizens.

    In our imagination however, Greece and Rome are entirely white states.

    Egypt was not a white State at all. And to imagine it as such is to deny that people of color have also contributed to western civilization.

    I don't think it's fair for white children to learn about All of the great achievements of European Society and feel a sense of fictive kinship with those people, but deny people of color the opportunity to do the same with Ancient Egypt.

    To give context, this didn't start with Exodus. It's been going on for a long time.


    I'm pretty sure the people you're looking to exclude came from neanderthals in Europe, but that was so long ago that it shouldn't matter, so let's just make love, not war!icon_razz.gif


    Exclude from what?
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    Jan 10, 2015 7:10 PM GMT
    DEKIRUMAN said
    HottJoe said
    DEKIRUMAN saidThe contributions that egypt has made to human civilization are as valuable at that of the greeks and romans.

    Historically, there has been an obsessions with preserving the Idea that that all 3 of these societies were entirely white. Greece and Rome were mostly European but being empires had many people of color living there as well. Since the Greeks didn't really care about race the way we do today plenty of people from Africa and central Asia contributed ideas and technologies to Greece and Rome and were respected as citizens.

    In our imagination however, Greece and Rome are entirely white states.

    Egypt was not a white State at all. And to imagine it as such is to deny that people of color have also contributed to western civilization.

    I don't think it's fair for white children to learn about All of the great achievements of European Society and feel a sense of fictive kinship with those people, but deny people of color the opportunity to do the same with Ancient Egypt.

    To give context, this didn't start with Exodus. It's been going on for a long time.


    I'm pretty sure the people you're looking to exclude came from neanderthals in Europe, but that was so long ago that it shouldn't matter, so let's just make love, not war!icon_razz.gif


    Exclude from what?

    Exclude from anything. We're all the same. Race is just a physical characteristic, and religion is just a myth.
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    Jan 10, 2015 7:50 PM GMT
    DEKIRUMAN said
    AMoonHawk saidLooks like a really cool movie, but Jews and Christians are not supporting it because it does not reflect religious belief. Which, if that is the way they feel, I don't think the intent of the movie was for religious purposes. Others don't support it because the actors were not racially correct, which I find stupid because that is not what acting is about. In the works of William Shakespeare, the women were played by men. Acting is a form of telling a story and such sarcastic remarks are purely ignorant.


    What's purely ignorant is making a comment like that without realizing why people are upset.

    1.) It's much harder for non white actors to get cast in blockbuster films because very few roles are written for them. There are a ton of actors of color who could have played those roles but they were denied that opportunity. Christian Bale and Aaron Paul will work again. They'll be fine. Piles and piles of scripts land on their desks every day because they're famous, but also because they're white.

    White people believe that they can be stand in's for everyone's experience. A white man can play anyone.

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    When does it end. When is it okay to acknowledge that not all of our historic and mythological figures were white? And don't tell me it's about talent. There are plenty of talented actors of color who could have played those roles as well or better.


    Then next time, go try out for the part.
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    Jan 10, 2015 8:22 PM GMT
    pazzy saidlol @ white people making up the population of ancient egypt. GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE WITH THAT SHIT. folks trying to whitewash history and then say that it's a post racial society.

    Good point. If this were a post racial society then anyone could play James Bond without controversy, but people are stuck on race. It's sad and getting sadder the more populated the world gets.
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    Jan 10, 2015 9:53 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    DEKIRUMAN said
    HottJoe said
    DEKIRUMAN saidThe contributions that egypt has made to human civilization are as valuable at that of the greeks and romans.

    Historically, there has been an obsessions with preserving the Idea that that all 3 of these societies were entirely white. Greece and Rome were mostly European but being empires had many people of color living there as well. Since the Greeks didn't really care about race the way we do today plenty of people from Africa and central Asia contributed ideas and technologies to Greece and Rome and were respected as citizens.

    In our imagination however, Greece and Rome are entirely white states.

    Egypt was not a white State at all. And to imagine it as such is to deny that people of color have also contributed to western civilization.

    I don't think it's fair for white children to learn about All of the great achievements of European Society and feel a sense of fictive kinship with those people, but deny people of color the opportunity to do the same with Ancient Egypt.

    To give context, this didn't start with Exodus. It's been going on for a long time.


    I'm pretty sure the people you're looking to exclude came from neanderthals in Europe, but that was so long ago that it shouldn't matter, so let's just make love, not war!icon_razz.gif


    Exclude from what?

    Exclude from anything. We're all the same. Race is just a physical characteristic, and religion is just a myth.


    While I agree with you in the scientific sense. In order tow restore any sense of balance to the world, we have to acknowledge that things like race and gender exist. It's unfortunate, but for the sake of remediating inequality it has to be done.
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    Jan 10, 2015 9:55 PM GMT
    AMoonHawk said
    DEKIRUMAN said
    AMoonHawk saidLooks like a really cool movie, but Jews and Christians are not supporting it because it does not reflect religious belief. Which, if that is the way they feel, I don't think the intent of the movie was for religious purposes. Others don't support it because the actors were not racially correct, which I find stupid because that is not what acting is about. In the works of William Shakespeare, the women were played by men. Acting is a form of telling a story and such sarcastic remarks are purely ignorant.


    What's purely ignorant is making a comment like that without realizing why people are upset.

    1.) It's much harder for non white actors to get cast in blockbuster films because very few roles are written for them. There are a ton of actors of color who could have played those roles but they were denied that opportunity. Christian Bale and Aaron Paul will work again. They'll be fine. Piles and piles of scripts land on their desks every day because they're famous, but also because they're white.

    White people believe that they can be stand in's for everyone's experience. A white man can play anyone.

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    When does it end. When is it okay to acknowledge that not all of our historic and mythological figures were white? And don't tell me it's about talent. There are plenty of talented actors of color who could have played those roles as well or better.


    Then next time, go try out for the part.


    They didn't ask people of color to read the part. That's the point.
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    Jan 11, 2015 3:50 AM GMT
    DEKIRUMAN saidThe contributions that egypt has made to human civilization are as valuable at that of the greeks and romans.

    Historically, there has been an obsessions with preserving the Idea that that all 3 of these societies were entirely white. Greece and Rome were mostly European but being empires had many people of color living there as well. Since the Greeks didn't really care about race the way we do today plenty of people from Africa and central Asia contributed ideas and technologies to Greece and Rome and were respected as citizens.

    In our imagination however, Greece and Rome are entirely white states.

    Egypt was not a white State at all. And to imagine it as such is to deny that people of color have also contributed to western civilization.

    I don't think it's fair for white children to learn about All of the great achievements of European Society and feel a sense of fictive kinship with those people, but deny people of color the opportunity to do the same with Ancient Egypt.

    To give context, this didn't start with Exodus. It's been going on for a long time.



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