Dublin priest tells congregation he is gay – and wins standing ovation

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    Jan 10, 2015 11:34 AM GMT
    An Irish Catholic priest received a standing ovation from his congregation when he revealed he was gay and then declared his support for same-sex marriage from the pulpit, according to reports.

    Father Martin Dolan, who has been a priest at the Church of St Nicholas of Myra in Francis Street, Dublin for 15 years, made the unexpected comments during mass.

    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jan/10/dublin-priest-gay-congregation-ovation
  • shutoman

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    Jan 10, 2015 1:32 PM GMT
    Add this to the new(ish) Pope and the woman priest recently ordained (albeit it not recognised) and there really seems to be the beginning of a lasting change in the Catholic Church.

    FYI - I'm not a Catholic, or a believer for that matter.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Jan 10, 2015 1:39 PM GMT
    Awesome for sure!

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    Jan 10, 2015 3:39 PM GMT
    The times they are a changing.

    Change always bubbles up from the rank and file. It just takes longer for those in power to get on board, whether it be the religious leaders or government leaders.

    Even though he is gay, as a Catholic priest he took a vow of celibacy and is expected to live that vow as are heterosexual priests.
  • biathlete01

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    Jan 10, 2015 3:58 PM GMT
    Since priest have a vow of celibacy this is kind of silly. I want my priest to be asexual, not getting turned on by my confession, whether he is gay or straight should not enter into the picture.

  • roadbikeRob

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    Jan 10, 2015 4:02 PM GMT

    I am wondering what the reaction would be in the US if an American Catholic priest came outicon_idea.gif
  • HottJoe

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    Jan 10, 2015 4:15 PM GMT
    biathlete01 saidSince priest have a vow of celibacy this is kind of silly. I want my priest to be asexual, not getting turned on by my confession, whether he is gay or straight should not enter into the picture.


    Why do you care? Are you ashamed of sex?
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    Jan 10, 2015 4:16 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    I am wondering what the reaction would be in the US if an American Catholic priest came outicon_idea.gif

    No one would care. The US is secular, and most rank and file catholics don't buy into religious fundamentalism.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jan 10, 2015 4:19 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    roadbikeRob said
    I am wondering what the reaction would be in the US if an American Catholic priest came outicon_idea.gif

    No one would care. The US is secular, and most rank and file catholics don't buy into religious fundamentalism.
    I hope that you are right about this oneicon_neutral.gif
  • HottJoe

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    Jan 10, 2015 4:23 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    HottJoe said
    roadbikeRob said
    I am wondering what the reaction would be in the US if an American Catholic priest came outicon_idea.gif

    No one would care. The US is secular, and most rank and file catholics don't buy into religious fundamentalism.
    I hope that you are right about this oneicon_neutral.gif

    The only people who would force their religious views on others are terrorists. Non terrorists live and let live.
  • shutoman

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    Jan 10, 2015 4:37 PM GMT
    biathlete01Since priest have a vow of celibacy this is kind of silly. I want my priest to be asexual, not getting turned on by my confession, whether he is gay or straight should not enter into the picture.


    So, presumably:

    1. Priests should not endorse straight marriage either, and/or

    2. Women can assume that their confessions are of no interest to straight priests?

    Asexual priests? Not in this world.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jan 10, 2015 4:39 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    roadbikeRob said
    HottJoe said
    roadbikeRob said
    I am wondering what the reaction would be in the US if an American Catholic priest came outicon_idea.gif

    No one would care. The US is secular, and most rank and file catholics don't buy into religious fundamentalism.
    I hope that you are right about this oneicon_neutral.gif

    The only people who would force their religious views on others are terrorists. Non terrorists live and let live.
    How about all the NARROW MINDED BIBLE THUMPING SCREWBALLS on the right wing that have fucked up the GOPicon_question.gif
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    Jan 10, 2015 5:04 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan saidThe times they are a changing.

    Change always bubbles up from the rank and file. It just takes longer for those in power to get on board, whether it be the religious leaders or government leaders.

    Even though he is gay, as a Catholic priest he took a vow of celibacy and is expected to live that vow as are heterosexual priests.



    You are right . So what does it matter he if gay . Very problematic. The pope needs to allow marriage for priests again to prevent lust from turning into perversion. My parents were married by married catholic priest.
  • djdm77

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    Jan 10, 2015 6:36 PM GMT
    biathlete01 saidSince priest have a vow of celibacy this is kind of silly. I want my priest to be asexual, not getting turned on by my confession, whether he is gay or straight should not enter into the picture.



    What would you be telling a priest that might result in him becoming aroused?

    Celibacy and asexuality are two completely different things. If priests were asexual, celibacy becomes a non-issue. The vow of celibacy is there because priests are people, and as such they have sexual feelings. But they choose to be celibate (in theory at least) as a sign of their sacrifice to God.

    Of course, the evidence appears to suggest that vows of celibacy aren't exactly constructive and not every priest behaves in accordance with that vow; but that's a separate issue.
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    Jan 10, 2015 7:50 PM GMT
    Alpha13 said
    UndercoverMan saidThe times they are a changing.

    Change always bubbles up from the rank and file. It just takes longer for those in power to get on board, whether it be the religious leaders or government leaders.

    Even though he is gay, as a Catholic priest he took a vow of celibacy and is expected to live that vow as are heterosexual priests.



    You are right . So what does it matter he if gay . Very problematic. The pope needs to allow marriage for priests again to prevent lust from turning into perversion. My parents were married by married catholic priest.


    There are many married priests in the Catholic Church. Within the Roman Rite (Roman Catholic Church) priests may not be married unless there is a special dispensation as that made for the Anglican priests who converted to Catholicism. The Vatican allowed them to remain priests and married within the Roman Rite. However, if their spouse dies they may not remarry.

    I suspect in time the Vatican will reverse the law mandating celibacy for its priests.

    If by lust turning into perversion you mean the pedophile scandals, I don't agree. Pedophiles can often be married and yet indulge themselves in their perversion. Celibacy didn't turn them into pedophiles. They were pedophiles first and sought a profession that would bring them into contact with children.
  • FRE0

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    Jan 10, 2015 10:34 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan saidThe times they are a changing.

    Change always bubbles up from the rank and file. It just takes longer for those in power to get on board, whether it be the religious leaders or government leaders.

    Even though he is gay, as a Catholic priest he took a vow of celibacy and is expected to live that vow as are heterosexual priests.


    Based on my experience, I agree. Sometimes lay people are way ahead of church leaders in matters of social justice and fairness and they have to drag the kicking and screaming leaders along. That is especially difficult in the Roman Church because in that church, the laity, at least in theory, has no power or influence. In the Episcopal Church, of which I am a member, in financially self-supporting parishes, the lay members, acting through their elected representatives on the vestry, actually have the power to hire and fire the priest.
  • FRE0

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    Jan 10, 2015 10:36 PM GMT
    biathlete01 saidSince priest have a vow of celibacy this is kind of silly. I want my priest to be asexual, not getting turned on by my confession, whether he is gay or straight should not enter into the picture.



    Fortunately, in most churches, priests are not committed to celibacy. It is a serious mistake for the Roman Church to require their priests to be celibate, but there are exceptions to that rule. In the Roman Church, a man who is older and already married can become a priest and continue the marital relationship.
  • FRE0

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    Jan 10, 2015 10:38 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    roadbikeRob said
    I am wondering what the reaction would be in the US if an American Catholic priest came outicon_idea.gif

    No one would care. The US is secular, and most rank and file catholics don't buy into religious fundamentalism.


    Quite true. I have an exceedingly negative attitude towards the Roman Church, but that negative attitude does not apply to all members or even to some of the clergy.
  • FRE0

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    Jan 10, 2015 10:46 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    roadbikeRob said
    HottJoe said
    roadbikeRob said
    I am wondering what the reaction would be in the US if an American Catholic priest came outicon_idea.gif

    No one would care. The US is secular, and most rank and file catholics don't buy into religious fundamentalism.
    I hope that you are right about this oneicon_neutral.gif

    The only people who would force their religious views on others are terrorists. Non terrorists live and let live.


    Quite true, but that has not always been the case. There were persecutions and inquisitions carried out in earlier times. That apparently started with the Roman Church, but was continued by some other churches as well.

    Edward Gibbon completed his monumental work, The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, which I have read, in about 1780. When he was younger, he considered leaving the Church of England and joining the Roman Church. His alarmed father dissuaded him out of fear that he would face persecution if he became a member of the Roman Church. William Penn, the first governor of the colony of Pennsylvania, was persecuted in England for being a Quaker and not a member of the official Church of England. The Pilgrims migrated to colonial North America to escape religious persecution but shortly after arriving, began persecuting people whose beliefs were different. There was also religious persecution under Oliver Cromwell.
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    Jan 10, 2015 10:52 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan said
    Alpha13 said
    UndercoverMan saidThe times they are a changing.

    Change always bubbles up from the rank and file. It just takes longer for those in power to get on board, whether it be the religious leaders or government leaders.

    Even though he is gay, as a Catholic priest he took a vow of celibacy and is expected to live that vow as are heterosexual priests.



    You are right . So what does it matter he if gay . Very problematic. The pope needs to allow marriage for priests again to prevent lust from turning into perversion. My parents were married by married catholic priest.


    There are many married priests in the Catholic Church. Within the Roman Rite (Roman Catholic Church) priests may not be married unless there is a special dispensation as that made for the Anglican priests who converted to Catholicism. The Vatican allowed them to remain priests and married within the Roman Rite. However, if their spouse dies they may not remarry.

    I suspect in time the Vatican will reverse the law mandating celibacy for its priests.

    If by lust turning into perversion you mean the pedophile scandals, I don't agree. Pedophiles can often be married and yet indulge themselves in their perversion. Celibacy didn't turn them into pedophiles. They were pedophiles first and sought a profession that would bring them into contact with children.


    Right, and I herewith provide an example.

    The former bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of the Rio Grande (which includes New Mexico) left the Episcopal Church because of differences in doctrine. He became a priest in the Roman Church and was permitted to stay married.

  • Jan 10, 2015 11:27 PM GMT
    There is a great book that comes to mind here - Homosexuality, The Bible, The Truth - The Bible Does NOT Condemn Homosexuality by Wayne Gray. This book represents forty years of intense scholarly research and proves with irrefutable and verifiable fact exactly what the title declares. It is time we helped end the anti-gay myth, which began during the reign of Emperor Constantine in the 4th Century, by the way, not during the time of Christ. Anti-homosexual bigotry and ignorance has gone on for long enough. I hope people will read this great book and help spread the word.
  • FRE0

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    Jan 11, 2015 1:20 AM GMT
    KungFuGrandmaster saidThere is a great book that comes to mind here - Homosexuality, The Bible, The Truth - The Bible Does NOT Condemn Homosexuality by Wayne Gray. This book represents forty years of intense scholarly research and proves with irrefutable and verifiable fact exactly what the title declares. It is time we helped end the anti-gay myth, which began during the reign of Emperor Constantine in the 4th Century, by the way, not during the time of Christ. Anti-homosexual bigotry and ignorance has gone on for long enough. I hope people will read this great book and help spread the word.


    Quite often the Bible is considered to be a proof-text for foregone conclusions and passages are twisted to support what one already believes. I suspect that the few passages used to condemn homosexuality were actually intended to condemn male rape which was (and sometimes still is) common during warfare.
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    Jan 11, 2015 1:58 AM GMT
    biathlete01 saidSince priest have a vow of celibacy this is kind of silly. I want my priest to be asexual, not getting turned on by my confession, whether he is gay or straight should not enter into the picture.
    Celebate people people still have sexuality. They struggle with temptation and longing like everyone else. Like the rest of us they go through periods of sexual contentment and the lack there of.
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    Jan 11, 2015 2:14 AM GMT

    Good thing Father Martin is located outside of the US because he would have been fired here icon_rolleyes.gif


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  • LJay

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    Jan 11, 2015 3:33 AM GMT
    Any body have a good handle on how and why celibacy came to be required of Roman priests to begin with?