If a guy says he won't bareback, is it OK to try to convince him to do it and give him reasons why 'condoms don't work'?

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    Jan 10, 2015 4:51 PM GMT
    This is what our #1 bareback advocator (who happens to be HIV+) did to another memeber in this forum.

    What do you think about this behaviour?

    This happened here http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/3981595?forumpage=1. Timbales replied to the original question, look at the answer he got.
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    Jan 10, 2015 4:54 PM GMT
    pazzy saidwho cares.


    Well of course you don't care.....you've never had sex and quite possibly never will. But to those of us who do have sex with someone other than our right hand, it's a life or death matter. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jan 10, 2015 4:55 PM GMT
    pazzy saidwho cares.

    Even virgins should care about this stuff Pazzy.
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    Jan 10, 2015 4:55 PM GMT
    David3K saidThis is what our #1 bareback advocator did to another memeber in this forum.

    What do you think about this behaviour?

    This happened here http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/3981595?forumpage=1. Timbales replied to the original question, look at the answer he got.


    I know. My mouth literally dropped open when I saw this. And yet these guys insist they're not promoting bareback sex.
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    Jan 10, 2015 6:39 PM GMT
    pazzy said
    Radd said
    pazzy saidwho cares.


    Well of course you don't care.....you've never had sex and quite possibly never will. But to those of us who do have sex with someone other than our right hand, it's a life or death matter. icon_rolleyes.gif


    seriously, man. shut the fuck up. why are YOU out of everybody in here talking shit? yesterday, i had to read some dumb shit coming from that cesspool called that mind of yours about how all muslims should be deported out of the united states. honestly, you've done said way too much fucked up and offensive things and not been held accountable for it as you yourself don't want to so i don't give a fuck about whatever you're bitching about talking about "offended". talk about people that should be banned for what they say. your ass should have been gone a LONG TIME ago. you really gotta be ugly on the inside to spew the shit you do and thinking that you're so rosy and aren't full of shit.



    Hahaha. I guess I hit a nerve. The great Pazzy has declared me as "offensive." That's a riot! icon_lol.gif

    And by the way, I'm not the only person who thinks it's time for Muslims to go: http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/3985355#13429_3985355_name
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    Jan 10, 2015 6:43 PM GMT
    Radd said
    pazzy said
    Radd said
    pazzy saidwho cares.


    Well of course you don't care.....you've never had sex and quite possibly never will. But to those of us who do have sex with someone other than our right hand, it's a life or death matter. icon_rolleyes.gif


    seriously, man. shut the fuck up. why are YOU out of everybody in here talking shit? yesterday, i had to read some dumb shit coming from that cesspool called that mind of yours about how all muslims should be deported out of the united states. honestly, you've done said way too much fucked up and offensive things and not been held accountable for it as you yourself don't want to so i don't give a fuck about whatever you're bitching about talking about "offended". talk about people that should be banned for what they say. your ass should have been gone a LONG TIME ago. you really gotta be ugly on the inside to spew the shit you do and thinking that you're so rosy and aren't full of shit.



    Hahaha. I guess I hit a nerve. The great Pazzy has declared me as "offensive." That's a riot! icon_lol.gif

    And by the way, I'm not the only person who thinks it's time for Muslims to go: http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/3985355#13429_3985355_name


    The problem Scruffy is that getting rid of radical Muslims means also expelling fundamentalist Christians, ultra orthodox Jews, even maniacal Wiccans would face deportation.

    It may sound reasonable to simply cut out the cancer but until the cause is found and eliminated it will simply mastestasize elsewhere.

    And Pazzy, if you truly don't care, then why even bother commenting? As Scruffy points out - according to you it is not an issue that currently effects your life.
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    Jan 10, 2015 6:45 PM GMT
    Theres a saying "not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslim!"
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    Jan 10, 2015 6:48 PM GMT
    David3K saidTheres a saying "not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslim!"


    There are many stupid statements.

    Their existence is relatively harmless.

    Perpetuating stupidity is another story...
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    Jan 10, 2015 6:56 PM GMT
    I simply think if you are in a country that's secular like France the least you can do in behave and act according to the locals, if you don't like it go back to your country. I actually don't know how Europeans take it and are so permissive with many things starting with the use of burka, extreme behaviour will never lead to anything good.
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    Jan 10, 2015 7:15 PM GMT
    pazzy said
    i commented simply because david and scruffy are basically doing some bullying, starting flame wars and shit. honestly, at this point, the admin should actually step in and start warning these dudes that they need to knock it off.

    it's real corny. here they are starting some shit then accusing the folks that they're starting shit with for the reason they're following them around and making threads like these.


    Maybe you should read what these "folks that go spreading HIV" say, or what "the guy who drew kiddie porn" did, because the accusations happened for a reason. But no, as you said yourself: "who cares?" - So I wonder, why the hell are you even replying to this thread? Get a hobby, do something other than to step in the way bothering others because that's basically all you do here. You have nothing good to add to any topic, you just throw your annoying shit in every reply, I don't want to be in your shoes Pazzy.
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    Jan 10, 2015 7:30 PM GMT
    ^ Because unlike you, I care about assholes spreading lies and twisting information to make others believe it's completely safe to bareback with strangers and that HIV is not a serious disease anymore. The gay is the only community where HIV keeps increasing. If you don't care about this situation suit yourself but I do.
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    Jan 10, 2015 7:38 PM GMT
    pazzy said
    David3K said^ Because unlike you, I care about assholes spreading lies and twisting information to make others believe it's completely safe to bareback with strangers and that HIV is not a serious disease anymore. The gay is the only community where HIV keeps increasing. If you don't care about this situation suit yourself but I do.

    breh, icon_lol.gif once again, who cares.

    you seriously think that folks give a fuck about what any of you guys are saying @ the end of the day. some people are going to wear condoms and some people aren't. 9 times out of 10, they already have their minds made up in regards to that. i doubt that whatever you guys say in here is really going to influence the rest of the world out there. no one on this site is that important where their opinion really matters to anybody. hell, you're lucky if you're able to reach out or influence one person on here because most people are just thinking about themselves as it is. so good luck with that.


    Maybe you don't care, but that's you, many do come to the internet to look for advice. You can see that in the many threads created by new members and the questions they ask. Your views are so obtuse.

    Do you even have a purpose on life? Is there anything in the world that brings you joy? It must be hard bearing with a so simplistic and plain existence as yours.
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    Jan 10, 2015 7:43 PM GMT
    pazzy said
    David3K said^ Because unlike you, I care about assholes spreading lies and twisting information to get others to bareback with them, putting them at risk. The gay is the only community where HIV keeps increasing. If you don't care about this situation suit yourself but I do.


    breh, icon_lol.gif once again, who cares.

    you seriously think that folks give a fuck about what any of you guys are saying @ the end of the day. some people are going to wear condoms and some people aren't. 9 times out of 10, they already have their minds made up in regards to that. i doubt that whatever you guys say in here is really going to influence the rest of the world out there. no one on this site is that important where their opinion really matters to anybody. hell, you're lucky if you're able to reach out or influence one person because most people are just thinking about themselves as it is.


    If it weren't for a few lone individuals who decided to speak up (from Rosa Parks to Harvey Milk and the countless less recognizable names in between) YOU Pazzy, as a (semi) openly Gay, African American would not have the privelege or right to sit at a 3,000 dollar laptop and click out your "isms" to Men all over the world free of the threat of legal action or violence.

    If you for one moment believe that it is a wise idea to remain silent or falsely believe that your lone, or anybody else's, voice is meaningless is to give up on the purpose of being alive.

    I am not taking any particular side but sensorship and ignorance of an issue simply fuels the flames of oppression, fear, hatred, indignity, violence and death of not only Human Life but Culture and HUMANITY.

    If that's the way you see and want it, fine. But there is no reason to impose your tenets on others who choose to actually participate in Life and the world around them.
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    Jan 10, 2015 7:47 PM GMT
    ^ I would reply to you but Cash's reply was actually very insightful, so read that instead.
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    Jan 10, 2015 8:22 PM GMT
    pazzy said
    Cash said
    pazzy said
    David3K said^ Because unlike you, I care about assholes spreading lies and twisting information to get others to bareback with them, putting them at risk. The gay is the only community where HIV keeps increasing. If you don't care about this situation suit yourself but I do.


    breh, icon_lol.gif once again, who cares.

    you seriously think that folks give a fuck about what any of you guys are saying @ the end of the day. some people are going to wear condoms and some people aren't. 9 times out of 10, they already have their minds made up in regards to that. i doubt that whatever you guys say in here is really going to influence the rest of the world out there. no one on this site is that important where their opinion really matters to anybody. hell, you're lucky if you're able to reach out or influence one person because most people are just thinking about themselves as it is.


    If it weren't for a few lone individuals who decided to speak up (from Rosa Parks to Harvey Milk and the countless less recognizable names in between) YOU Pazzy, as a (semi) openly Gay, African American would not have the privelege or right to sit at a 3,000 dollar laptop and click out your "isms"to Men all over the world free of the threat of legal action or violence.

    If you for one moment believe that it is a wise idea to remain silent or falsely believe that your lone, or anybody else's, voice is meaningless is to give up on the purpose of being alive.

    I am not taking any particular side but sensorship and ignorance of an issue simply fuels the flames of oppression, fear, hatred, indignity, violence and death of not only Human Life but Culture and HUMANITY.

    If that's the way you see and want it, fine. But there is no reason to impose your tenets on others who choose to actually participate in Life and the world around them.


    seriously??? icon_lol.gif i guess folks basically are about TALKING it and not LIVING it. it's easy to be a keyboard activist on a web forum that isn't even known like that BUT hard to be a real life one where they can actually reach out to people in the public.

    i've seen plenty of young real jockers that have openly admitted to having barebacking sex around the same time that david, scruffy, musclemore and timm55 have their little ramble session. did all that arguing stop them from doing what they were doing? NO. they had their minds made up already. same for the people that used condoms.

    david just basically is looking for an excuse to argue because he has fun doing it. that's the reason why he made like 4 of the same threads attacking musclemore and timm55 on different forums on here with the past few weeks and follows them around. if he really gave a shit, he would actually be volunteering his time to the local lgbt center or volunteering towards any aids drives or whatever charities. that's doing something. telling people to strap up on a web forum and arguing with someone over a pill making someone less susceptible to hiv isn't doing much.


    Interesting. You claim words in a forum are useless but you seem to have based a large portion of your current stance on the words of two or three Members and the reaction(s) you perceived in "plenty of young real jockers.". And you never seem to hesitate to spread your OWN words around as liberally as possible. Shall We ignore THOSE as useless and falling on deaf ears aswell?

    Many times end results aren't apparrant to an individual on-looker, even one as avid as you.

    Often words are more akin to seeds that are planted. Sometimes they grow into something huge. Sometimes theydie out. Sometimes they lay dormant for years until the conditions are right.

    I don't know what the participation level in RL is of any othe Members you are referring to. I also know enough to know that as a result, I would not attempt to tell them what they " should" be doing.

    If your issue is with particular Members following each other with a vendetta that derails potentially usefull threads and ideas, then say THAT.

    But calling for silence because you have decided that nobody cares and nothing will make a difference is irresponsible, childish, useless and dull.

    And I am quite certain that is not your intention.
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    Jan 10, 2015 8:32 PM GMT
    pazzy said
    Cash said
    pazzy said
    Cash said
    pazzy said
    David3K said^ Because unlike you, I care about assholes spreading lies and twisting information to get others to bareback with them, putting them at risk. The gay is the only community where HIV keeps increasing. If you don't care about this situation suit yourself but I do.


    breh, icon_lol.gif once again, who cares.

    you seriously think that folks give a fuck about what any of you guys are saying @ the end of the day. some people are going to wear condoms and some people aren't. 9 times out of 10, they already have their minds made up in regards to that. i doubt that whatever you guys say in here is really going to influence the rest of the world out there. no one on this site is that important where their opinion really matters to anybody. hell, you're lucky if you're able to reach out or influence one person because most people are just thinking about themselves as it is.


    If it weren't for a few lone individuals who decided to speak up (from Rosa Parks to Harvey Milk and the countless less recognizable names in between) YOU Pazzy, as a (semi) openly Gay, African American would not have the privelege or right to sit at a 3,000 dollar laptop and click out your "isms"to Men all over the world free of the threat of legal action or violence.

    If you for one moment believe that it is a wise idea to remain silent or falsely believe that your lone, or anybody else's, voice is meaningless is to give up on the purpose of being alive.

    I am not taking any particular side but sensorship and ignorance of an issue simply fuels the flames of oppression, fear, hatred, indignity, violence and death of not only Human Life but Culture and HUMANITY.

    If that's the way you see and want it, fine. But there is no reason to impose your tenets on others who choose to actually participate in Life and the world around them.


    seriously??? icon_lol.gif i guess folks basically are about TALKING it and not LIVING it. it's easy to be a keyboard activist on a web forum that isn't even known like that BUT hard to be a real life one where they can actually reach out to people in the public.

    i've seen plenty of young real jockers that have openly admitted to having barebacking sex around the same time that david, scruffy, musclemore and timm55 have their little ramble session. did all that arguing stop them from doing what they were doing? NO. they had their minds made up already. same for the people that used condoms.

    david just basically is looking for an excuse to argue because he has fun doing it. that's the reason why he made like 4 of the same threads attacking musclemore and timm55 on different forums on here with the past few weeks and follows them around. if he really gave a shit, he would actually be volunteering his time to the local lgbt center or volunteering towards any aids drives or whatever charities. that's doing something. telling people to strap up on a web forum and arguing with someone over a pill making someone less susceptible to hiv isn't doing much.


    Interesting. You claim words in a forum are useless but you seem to have based a large portion of your current stance on the words of two or three Members and the reaction(s) you perceived in "plenty of young real jockers."

    Many times end results aren't apparrant to an individual on-looker, even one as avid as you.

    Often words are more akin to seeds that are planted. Sometimes they grow into something huge. Sometimes theydie out. Sometimes they lay dormant for years until the conditions are right.

    I don't know what the participation level in RL is of any othe Members you are referring to. I also know enough to know that as a result, I would not attempt to tell them what they " should" be doing.

    If your issue is with particular Members following each other with a vendetta that derails potentially usefull threads and ideas, then say THAT.

    But calling for silence because you have decided that nobody cares and nothing will make a difference is irresponsible, childish, useless and dull.

    And I am quite certain that is not your intention.


    well, you have folks like david thinking that he's so powerful or whatever where the world revolves around him and shit. he claims that he's doing it to HELP other people but the reality is he just loves to hear himself and his opinion and wants to "win the argument".


    Again, I am not taking sides HERE and I have no way of knowing what David's intentions are - other than that which He is stating.

    I have not however, seen any evidence or statements indicating that He sees Himself as omnipotent or superior or at the center of anyone else's Universe.

    He may not be in line with your own beliefs - but that does not mean a line is being drawn in the sand on the beach of superiority...
  • whytehot

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    Jan 10, 2015 8:33 PM GMT
    Even if David has a personal vendetta against Timm and MMTM, his points are still valid. Those other two are doing a huge disservice to the gay community with all the misinformation they're spreading. Or rather they're manipulating good information to encourage risky behavior.

    And Pazzy, you seem to care a lot about everything else, while caring a lot about not caring about this particular subject
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    Jan 10, 2015 9:28 PM GMT
    You lash out with grade-school-level personal attacks when called out, but ignore valid critiques such as this one:


    hentailover saidSerodiscordant monogamous couples are one thing, but I'm still wondering how anyone can possibly defend this answer to this question:
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
    David3K saidYou meet a guy that says he's HIV+ but undetectable and wants to bareback with you; would you do it? Would you trust that's his real status? Same with men saying they're "negative", would you believe them? Would you bareback with them?
    Sure, why not?
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    Jan 10, 2015 9:42 PM GMT
    whytehot saidYou lash out with grade-school-level personal attacks when called out, but ignore valid critiques such as this one:


    hentailover saidSerodiscordant monogamous couples are one thing, but I'm still wondering how anyone can possibly defend this answer to this question:
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
    David3K saidYou meet a guy that says he's HIV+ but undetectable and wants to bareback with you; would you do it? Would you trust that's his real status? Same with men saying they're "negative", would you believe them? Would you bareback with them?
    Sure, why not?


    This seems to be taken out of context - a typical tactic.

    I can not speak for MMTM or address His point here but He seems to be speaking for Himself and not encouraging or telling anyone else what to do.
  • venue35

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    Jan 10, 2015 10:02 PM GMT
    David hates mmtm that is the sole purpose of this thread. If he truly is the mother theresa of safe sex i will eat my hat.
    (i dont own a hat).
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    Jan 10, 2015 10:52 PM GMT
    I think that any grown adult knows that you should not force sex (in any way) on to someone else. And you should not involve yourself with people who do not value sex the same way you do.
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    Jan 11, 2015 7:23 AM GMT
    venue35 saidDavid hates mmtm that is the sole purpose of this thread. If he truly is the mother theresa of safe sex i will eat my hat.
    (i dont own a hat).

    I love barebacking: with my monogamous partner after both HIV checks. Now regarding safe sex I have always used condoms in hook ups, if that makes me a saint so be it. Also, MMTM has nothing to do with this, I can see your confusion given I mentioned "RJ bareback advocator #1" so you understandably thought I was referring to him, but in my humble opinion I think Timm beats him.
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    Jan 11, 2015 7:26 AM GMT
    Cash said
    whytehot saidYou lash out with grade-school-level personal attacks when called out, but ignore valid critiques such as this one:


    hentailover saidSerodiscordant monogamous couples are one thing, but I'm still wondering how anyone can possibly defend this answer to this question:
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
    David3K saidYou meet a guy that says he's HIV+ but undetectable and wants to bareback with you; would you do it? Would you trust that's his real status? Same with men saying they're "negative", would you believe them? Would you bareback with them?
    Sure, why not?


    This seems to be taken out of context - a typical tactic.

    I can not speak for MMTM or address His point here but He seems to be speaking for Himself and not encouraging or telling anyone else what to do.


    No, sadly it wasn't taken out of context and it's not sarcasm either. Feel free to read the complete thread and take your own conclusions.