Calls to deport Muslims in Wake of Paris attacks

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    Over the course of the last two days, a growing number of people have called for the deportation of Muslims and restrictions placed on Islam. While there has been a great deal of criticism leveled at adherents of the religion for some time, the attacks against the French satirical publication Charlie Hebdo have made the backlash worse. On Friday, for example, WND reported that calls for the U.S. government to strip citizenship from Americans who leave “to take up arms with jihadists against America” is being renewed, citing a petition by the American Center for Law and Justice.

    "American jihadists are joining ISIS and other terrorist organizations," the petition says. "They’re traveling to Syria to be trained in Jihad. And they’re still keeping their American passport, their American citizenship."

    "That means they can travel back to the U.S. to commit acts of terror," the petition adds. "We must strip their citizenship and seize their passports. They are traitors, not citizens. The Obama State Department says it’s not 'as black and white as that.'” The petition currently has over 166,000 signatures.

    Another petition at a British government website seeks a public vote to ban Islam from the United Kingdom. The petitioner, identified as "Ian," says "the British public should have the right to vote if Islam should be allowed to continue in the U.K just as Scotland was given the opportunity to vote for its independence."

    "Followers will not integrate into British society but instead demand the country they now reside in change around them instead, not just in Britain but example like this have been seen in France, Germany and Even China (sic)," Ian said. Like the ACLJ petition, Ian cites British Muslims leaving the country to fight for ISIS, the radical group that has taken large areas of Iraq and Syria. He also cited terror attacks in the country, child marriages, honor killings and "the things we have fought hundreds of year to correct."

    "This decision would not be racist as it is not focusing on a person colour or origin but instead a destructive belief system," he added. Ian said that that "just as Nazism is abolished so should this intolerant system." The petition has so far garnered over 5,000 signatures.

    In late December, some 17,500 Germans took to the streets of Dresden to protest what they see as the growing Islamization of the country. But perhaps the most strident anti-Islamic sentiment can be seen on social media -- a venue some Muslims would like to see stripped bare of any criticism.

    A search of Twitter reveals that hundreds have called for all Muslims to be deported from the western world. The situation has only been exacerbated by comments made by radical cleric Anjem Choudary, who has been making the rounds, telling various media outlets that Muslims have every right to protect their religion, even if it means committing murder.

    "I think they should deport all Muslims who praise or support the attacks," one person said on Twitter. "Better yet just get them all out!!"

    "Deport all Muslims, problem solved," another person added. "Deport ALL MUSLIMS on the terror watch list and their families- and DONT LET THEM BACK IN THE COUNTRY," another Twitter user said.

    "#France rise up, toss out the white hating socialists and deport all Muslims now," Twitter user Angus MacDonald said. "France is a white country."

    Not everyone agreed, arguing that not all Muslims are terrorists, and not every Muslim originates from the Middle East. Nevertheless, a large number said the only solution to terrorism like that which struck France this week is to rid the country of those who refuse to live in peace with people of different religious beliefs. Choudary, for example, recently told Ben Shapiro that he was born in England and has every right to live there. He went on to tell Shapiro that it isn't radical Muslims who should change, but the West.

    "We can’t change the Koran, we can’t change the sayings of the Prophet, which include insulting the Prophet and the consequences," he told Shapiro. "But you can change your laws." He also warned that if the West doesn't change its laws to suit Muslims, there will be a “blood bath.”


    Full article with hyperlinks can be found here: http://www.examiner.com/article/calls-to-deport-muslims-restrict-islam-grow-wake-of-paris-attacks
  • AMoonHawk

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    Jan 10, 2015 7:16 PM GMT
    Another good artical:

    http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/blame-for-charlie-hebdo-murders
    "The Blame for the Charlie Hebdo Murders
    By George Packer

    The murders today in Paris are not a result of France’s failure to assimilate two generations of Muslim immigrants from its former colonies. They’re not about French military action against the Islamic State in the Middle East, or the American invasion of Iraq before that. They’re not part of some general wave of nihilistic violence in the economically depressed, socially atomized, morally hollow West—the Paris version of Newtown or Oslo. Least of all should they be “understood” as reactions to disrespect for religion on the part of irresponsible cartoonists.

    They are only the latest blows delivered by an ideology that has sought to achieve power through terror for decades. It’s the same ideology that sent Salman Rushdie into hiding for a decade under a death sentence for writing a novel, then killed his Japanese translator and tried to kill his Italian translator and Norwegian publisher. The ideology that murdered three thousand people in the U.S. on September 11, 2001. The one that butchered Theo van Gogh in the streets of Amsterdam, in 2004, for making a film. The one that has brought mass rape and slaughter to the cities and deserts of Syria and Iraq. That massacred a hundred and thirty-two children and thirteen adults in a school in Peshawar last month. That regularly kills so many Nigerians, especially young ones, that hardly anyone pays attention.

    Because the ideology is the product of a major world religion, a lot of painstaking pretzel logic goes into trying to explain what the violence does, or doesn’t, have to do with Islam. Some well-meaning people tiptoe around the Islamic connection, claiming that the carnage has nothing to do with faith, or that Islam is a religion of peace, or that, at most, the violence represents a “distortion” of a great religion. (After suicide bombings in Baghdad, I grew used to hearing Iraqis say, “No Muslim would do this.”) Others want to lay the blame entirely on the theological content of Islam, as if other religions are more inherently peaceful—a notion belied by history as well as scripture.

    A religion is not just a set of texts but the living beliefs and practices of its adherents. Islam today includes a substantial minority of believers who countenance, if they don’t actually carry out, a degree of violence in the application of their convictions that is currently unique. Charlie Hebdo had been nondenominational in its satire, sticking its finger into the sensitivities of Jews and Christians, too—but only Muslims responded with threats and acts of terrorism. For some believers, the violence serves a will to absolute power in the name of God, which is a form of totalitarianism called Islamism—politics as religion, religion as politics. “Allahu Akbar!” the killers shouted in the street outside Charlie Hebdo. They, at any rate, know what they’re about.

    These thoughts don’t offer a guide to mitigating the astonishing surge in Islamist killing around the world. Rage and condemnation don’t do the job, nor is it helpful to alienate the millions of Muslims who dislike what’s being done in the name of their religion. Many of them immediately condemned the attack on Charlie Hebdo, in tones of anguish particular to those whose deepest beliefs have been tainted. The answer always has to be careful, thoughtful, and tailored to particular circumstances. In France, it will need to include a renewed debate about how the republic can prevent more of its young Muslim citizens from giving up their minds to a murderous ideology—how more of them might come to consider Mustapha Ourrad, a Charlie Hebdo copy editor of Algerian descent who was among the victims, a hero. In other places, the responses have to be different, with higher levels of counter-violence.

    But the murders in Paris were so specific and so brazen as to make their meaning quite clear. The cartoonists died for an idea. The killers are soldiers in a war against freedom of thought and speech, against tolerance, pluralism, and the right to offend—against everything decent in a democratic society. So we must all try to be Charlie, not just today but every day."
  • bro4bro

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    Jan 10, 2015 8:09 PM GMT
    I'll admit I started out with the belief that Islam was just another religion that essentially preached peace and tolerance. I thought the West's mistrust of Islam was nothing more than parochial prejudice with no basis in truth. I thought the terrorist acts of radical Muslims were completely contrary to the teachings of their own religion. That's what the U.S. media, the U.S. government, and even the U.S. military have been telling us, right?

    And then I read the Koran.

    “No one can die except by God’s permission” (3:139)

    This is by far the most dangerous passage in the book; it seems to say if someone dies as a result of your actions, it's because God wanted it to happen.

    “O believers! Take not the Jews or Christians as friends.” (5:56)

    That one sounds clear enough.

    “Make ready then against the infidels what forces ye can, and strong squadrons whereby ye may strike terror into the enemy of God and your enemy, and into others beside them whom ye know not, but God knoweth.” (8:62)

    The part about "others beside them" apparently means don't worry about killing innocent bystanders, because once again, it's God's will.

    “And when the sacred months are past, kill those who join other gods with God wherever ye shall find them; and sieze them, besiege them, and lay wait for them with every kind of ambush.” (9:5)

    Islam teaches polytheists (those who believe in more than one God) are the most hated of all men. And Christians, due to their belief in the Trinity, are labelled as polytheists.

    “Believers! Wage war against such of the infidels as are your neighbors, and let them find you rigorous; and know that God is with those who fear him.” (9:124)

    No love for thy neighbors here...

    “No soul can believe but by the permission of God: and He shall lay His wrath on those who will not understand.” (10:100)

    A very strange statement; it appears to say God chooses who is a believer and who is a nonbeliever, and then punishes the nonbelievers.

    “When ye encounter the infidels, strike off their heads till ye have made a great slaughter among them, and of the rest make fast the fetters.” (47:4)

    Ah, so that's where all those beheadings came from...

    “Were such the pleasure of God, He could Himself take vengeance upon them; but He would rather prove the one of you by the other.” (47:5)

    In other words, God could punish the infidels himself but he'd rather you do it, to prove your faith.

    “Only the faithful are brethren” (49:10)

    So, fuck everybody else.

    These quotes are only a handful; the book goes on and on. It would be easy to say they're taken out of context, but for a good portion of the book, statements like these are the entire context. And keep in mind that Islam purports these statements to be the literal Word of God, as passed down directly to the Prophet Mohammed.

    The Koran is not framed as a history lesson like the Judeo-Christian Bible; it is a directive transmitted by God to mankind, laying down rules for how to live. And by the Koran's own edict, failing to follow any of these rules is disobeying the will of God, and comprises a one-way ticket to Hell.

    I have no idea what they preach in the mosques, but reading over a few of these verses, it doesn't take much to see where radical Muslims come from. The religion seems to be tailor-made for spawning terrorists. In order for this to change, Islamic leaders would essentially have to stand up and say, "These words are not God's will," which is the same as saying, "These are not God's words." Which would, in turn, render the entire religion meaningless.
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    bro4bro saidI'll admit I started out with the belief that Islam was just another religion that essentially preached peace and tolerance. I thought the West's mistrust of Islam was nothing more than parochial prejudice with no basis in truth. I thought the terrorist acts of radical Muslims were completely contrary to the teachings of their own religion. That's what the U.S. media, the U.S. government, and even the U.S. military have been telling us, right?

    And then I read the Koran.

    “No one can die except by God’s permission” (3:139)

    This is by far the most dangerous passage in the book; it seems to say if someone dies as a result of your actions, it's because God wanted it to happen.

    “O believers! Take not the Jews or Christians as friends.” (5:56)

    That one sounds clear enough.

    “Make ready then against the infidels what forces ye can, and strong squadrons whereby ye may strike terror into the enemy of God and your enemy, and into others beside them whom ye know not, but God knoweth.” (8:62)

    The part about "others beside them" apparently means don't worry about killing innocent bystanders, because once again, it's God's will.

    “And when the sacred months are past, kill those who join other gods with God wherever ye shall find them; and sieze them, besiege them, and lay wait for them with every kind of ambush.” (9:5)

    Islam teaches polytheists (those who believe in more than one God) are the most hated of all men. And Christians, due to their belief in the Trinity, are labelled as polytheists.

    “Believers! Wage war against such of the infidels as are your neighbors, and let them find you rigorous; and know that God is with those who fear him.” (9:124)

    No love for thy neighbors here...

    “No soul can believe but by the permission of God: and He shall lay His wrath on those who will not understand.” (10:100)

    A very strange statement; it appears to say God chooses who is a believer and who is a nonbeliever, and then punishes the nonbelievers.

    “When ye encounter the infidels, strike off their heads till ye have made a great slaughter among them, and of the rest make fast the fetters.” (47:4)

    Ah, so that's where all those beheadings came from...

    “Were such the pleasure of God, He could Himself take vengeance upon them; but He would rather prove the one of you by the other.” (47:5)

    In other words, God could punish the infidels himself but he'd rather you do it, to prove your faith.

    “Only the faithful are brethren” (49:10)

    So, fuck everybody else.

    These quotes are only a handful; the book goes on and on. It would be easy to say they're taken out of context, but for a good portion of the book, statements like these are the entire context. And keep in mind that Islam purports these statements to be the literal Word of God, as passed down directly to the Prophet Mohammed.

    The Koran is not framed as a history lesson like the Judeo-Christian Bible; it is a directive transmitted by God to mankind, laying down rules for how to live. And by the Koran's own edict, failing to follow any of these rules is disobeying the will of God, and comprises a one-way ticket to Hell.

    I have no idea what they preach in the mosques, but reading over a few of these verses, it doesn't take much to see where radical Muslims come from. The religion seems to be tailor-made for spawning terrorists. In order for this to change, Islamic leaders would essentially have to stand up and say, "These words are not God's will," which is the same as saying, "These are not God's words." Which would, in turn, render the entire religion meaningless.


    I agree with you 100%. If you do a search of the forums here, you can quote me defending Muslims on several occasions. But like you, I have educated myself as to what the Koran really teaches so you will see me defend it no more. We have been tolerant enough. It's time to take back our country from these savages. This goes for the U.S. as well as France and every other free country. As stated in the article....."Just as Nazism is abolished so should this intolerant system."
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    Deuteronomy 13:6-10New International Version (NIV)

    6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.


    Oops sorry, Christian bible.
  • venue35

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    Jan 10, 2015 10:34 PM GMT
    I eat falafel at this muslim joint and i was asked to get up and leave while eating because it was allah praying time.
    icon_mad.gifnuff said
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    Mr Choudary, you're a big fat liar, lol! There are millions of Muslims who think you're full of shit. Nice try, though.
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    Jan 10, 2015 10:45 PM GMT
    Religion in general is such a messy topic. Personally, the idea of deporting someone because of their religious views sounds *almost* as bad as what the Nazis tried to do.

    Now, I realize that it's not as bad --- deporting someone isn't the same thing as killing them in some horrific concentration camp. Which is why I said *almost*

    But the idea of deporting someone----who was born and raised here in the USA (or born and raised in France, and deporting them from France, etc...)---where do you deport them to? Islam is practiced in multiple countries all over the world.

    Yet, I understand the frustration and the fear that a lot of us have associated with that religion as a whole. It makes a lot of non-practioners...uncomfortable, angry, etc. and based on some of the things that have been posted in here, and things that have occurred in the world, I believe that fear, frustration, and anger is justifiable.

    I honestly don't know what the solution is. I don't think deportation is. but I know that waiting around doing nothing until another terrorist attack happens isn't the right solution either.

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    Jan 10, 2015 10:55 PM GMT
    One of our close friends is a Muslim, originally from Iran. He's been to our house for dinner, we go out with him to lunch & functions all the time, most recently last Tuesday. We gave him some political connections so he can expedite his application for US citizenship. A great guy who's brought a business and jobs to our community. I don't hate all people of Muslim background.

    But, I did lose my temper here some years ago, over the World Trade Center attacks. I had watched those towers going up, I had been in them. It was very personal for me, Careless comments for which I promptly apologized, but that a certain RJ member keeps endlessly dragging up.

    So I kinda understand the emotional conflicts here. A difficult issue.

    My concern is that Muslims worldwide aren't more forceful in rejecting these terrorists. And in defeating them. I'm not sure I see a lot of examples of that. And that's a problem.
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    Jan 10, 2015 11:11 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidMy concern is that Muslims worldwide aren't more forceful in rejecting these terrorists. And in defeating them. I'm not sure I see a lot of examples of that. And that's a problem.


    Yes, exactly. As a white male American I'm expected to feel personal shame for everything from slavery to the extermination of indigenous peoples to religious intolerance to the subjugation of women. But I don't see a lot of Muslims stepping up to address the problem of radical factions in their own society. All I ever hear is, "It's not us, it's them."
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    Art_Deco saidMy concern is that Muslims worldwide aren't more forceful in rejecting these terrorists. And in defeating them. I'm not sure I see a lot of examples of that. And that's a problem.

    Yes, exactly. As a white male American I'm expected to feel personal shame for everything from slavery to the extermination of indigenous peoples to religious intolerance to the subjugation of women. But I don't see a lot of Muslims stepping up to address the problem of radical factions in their own society. All I ever hear is, "It's not us, it's them."

    Yes. Overdue for the Muslim community to not only universally condemn these terrorists, but to turn them over to law enforcement.

    The Muslim community could be a great aid in identifying these terrorists among them, and aiding law enforcement efforts, but I've not seen many examples of that. Has anyone?
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    Art_Deco saidMy concern is that Muslims worldwide aren't more forceful in rejecting these terrorists. And in defeating them. I'm not sure I see a lot of examples of that. And that's a problem.

    Yes, exactly. As a white male American I'm expected to feel personal shame for everything from slavery to the extermination of indigenous peoples to religious intolerance to the subjugation of women. But I don't see a lot of Muslims stepping up to address the problem of radical factions in their own society. All I ever hear is, "It's not us, it's them."

    Yes. Overdue for the Muslim community to not only universally condemn these terrorists, but to turn them over to law enforcement.

    The Muslim community could be a great aid in identifying these terrorists among them, and aiding law enforcement efforts, but I've not seen many examples of that. Has anyone?


    Excellent, and in fact I believe main point(s) by Art Deco and thoughtful perspective by bro4bro.

    On another thread a Muslim RJ member made the perhaps valid point that he and other Muslims (individually or severally) should resent being made to feel obligated to clarify that they don't agree with terrorist tactics; maybe so, but while any clarification is appreciated efforts by the Muslim community never seem to go beyond clarification or implied moral condemnation.

    Don't apologize, denounce, and not just to us but your own backyards.
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    pazzy saidyou can tell who in here actually has exposure to diversity or mingles with others that are different from them. obviously, the op needs to get around more or know more people instead of living his life in a box because he's selling himself short. i understand some areas lack diversity but that's no excuse to be ignorant. that's a choice.


    Exactly how much diversity are you exposed to in your mother's basement? I would be willing to bet I've traveled to many more places than you've ever dreamed of. Not to mention I live in a city where I meet HUNDREDS of people from around the world each day. So once again you're making shit up to try and win an argument. FAIL.
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    Jan 11, 2015 1:09 AM GMT
    I don't trust any one of these evil looking so called radical jihadist, they have one goal and that's to kill.

    My goal is.......

    Try me! Gun's loaded and ready to fire back!

    I am not running from the dogs who worship a FALSE PROPHET

    That's right. I don't see any place in the world where God proclaimed the rag head a prophet to KILL!!

    FUCK OFF
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    bro4bro saidI'll admit I started out with the belief that Islam was just another religion that essentially preached peace and tolerance. I thought the West's mistrust of Islam was nothing more than parochial prejudice with no basis in truth. I thought the terrorist acts of radical Muslims were completely contrary to the teachings of their own religion. That's what the U.S. media, the U.S. government, and even the U.S. military have been telling us, right?

    And then I read the Koran.

    “No one can die except by God’s permission” (3:139)

    This is by far the most dangerous passage in the book; it seems to say if someone dies as a result of your actions, it's because God wanted it to happen.

    “O believers! Take not the Jews or Christians as friends.” (5:56)

    That one sounds clear enough.

    “Make ready then against the infidels what forces ye can, and strong squadrons whereby ye may strike terror into the enemy of God and your enemy, and into others beside them whom ye know not, but God knoweth.” (8:62)

    The part about "others beside them" apparently means don't worry about killing innocent bystanders, because once again, it's God's will.

    “And when the sacred months are past, kill those who join other gods with God wherever ye shall find them; and sieze them, besiege them, and lay wait for them with every kind of ambush.” (9:5)

    Islam teaches polytheists (those who believe in more than one God) are the most hated of all men. And Christians, due to their belief in the Trinity, are labelled as polytheists.

    “Believers! Wage war against such of the infidels as are your neighbors, and let them find you rigorous; and know that God is with those who fear him.” (9:124)

    No love for thy neighbors here...

    “No soul can believe but by the permission of God: and He shall lay His wrath on those who will not understand.” (10:100)

    A very strange statement; it appears to say God chooses who is a believer and who is a nonbeliever, and then punishes the nonbelievers.

    “When ye encounter the infidels, strike off their heads till ye have made a great slaughter among them, and of the rest make fast the fetters.” (47:4)

    Ah, so that's where all those beheadings came from...

    “Were such the pleasure of God, He could Himself take vengeance upon them; but He would rather prove the one of you by the other.” (47:5)

    In other words, God could punish the infidels himself but he'd rather you do it, to prove your faith.

    “Only the faithful are brethren” (49:10)

    So, fuck everybody else.

    These quotes are only a handful; the book goes on and on. It would be easy to say they're taken out of context, but for a good portion of the book, statements like these are the entire context. And keep in mind that Islam purports these statements to be the literal Word of God, as passed down directly to the Prophet Mohammed.

    The Koran is not framed as a history lesson like the Judeo-Christian Bible; it is a directive transmitted by God to mankind, laying down rules for how to live. And by the Koran's own edict, failing to follow any of these rules is disobeying the will of God, and comprises a one-way ticket to Hell.

    I have no idea what they preach in the mosques, but reading over a few of these verses, it doesn't take much to see where radical Muslims come from. The religion seems to be tailor-made for spawning terrorists. In order for this to change, Islamic leaders would essentially have to stand up and say, "These words are not God's will," which is the same as saying, "These are not God's words." Which would, in turn, render the entire religion meaningless.



    They can wave that dragon book in my face (The false Koran), but if I have a Holy Bible in my hand in any one of these MUSEUM Countries, I could be lashed to death, go to a horrific jail and even killed instantly.

    THEY CAN ALL FUCK OFF!
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    meninlove said

    Deuteronomy 13:6-10New International Version (NIV)

    6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.


    Oops sorry, Christian bible.


    Matthew 7:20King James Version (KJV)

    Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
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    Deuteronomy 13:6-10New International Version (NIV)

    6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.


    Oops sorry, Christian bible.


    Christians have had 2000 years to evolve and interpret and explain such passages in a metaphorical sense.
    Islam was only invented in the 7th Century. At present it could be compared with the level of Christian tolerance seen in the 1300s. In time Islam too will evolve.
    Let's hope it doesn't take 7 more centuries.
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    pazzy said
    Radd said
    pazzy saidyou can tell who in here actually has exposure to diversity or mingles with others that are different from them. obviously, the op needs to get around more or know more people instead of living his life in a box because he's selling himself short. i understand some areas lack diversity but that's no excuse to be ignorant. that's a choice.


    Exactly how much diversity are you exposed to in your mother's basement? I would be willing to bet I've traveled to many more places than you've ever dreamed of. Not to mention I live in a city where I meet HUNDREDS of people from around the world each day. So once again you're making shit up to try and win an argument. FAIL.


    you yet you sound like you never left the neighborhood you were born and raised in with your incredibly narrow minded views. that leaves the last option that you're just not bright. *shrugs*


    Hahaha. That's hilarious that you of all people are attacking someone's IQ level! Learn to support yourself and make a difference in this world before attacking other people who are actually out there making shit happen. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    pazzy said
    Radd said
    pazzy said
    Radd said
    pazzy saidyou can tell who in here actually has exposure to diversity or mingles with others that are different from them. obviously, the op needs to get around more or know more people instead of living his life in a box because he's selling himself short. i understand some areas lack diversity but that's no excuse to be ignorant. that's a choice.


    Exactly how much diversity are you exposed to in your mother's basement? I would be willing to bet I've traveled to many more places than you've ever dreamed of. Not to mention I live in a city where I meet HUNDREDS of people from around the world each day. So once again you're making shit up to try and win an argument. FAIL.


    you yet you sound like you never left the neighborhood you were born and raised in with your incredibly narrow minded views. that leaves the last option that you're just not bright. *shrugs*


    Hahaha. That's hilarious that you of all people are attacking someone's IQ level! Learn to support yourself and make a difference in this world before attacking other people who are actually out there making shit happen. icon_rolleyes.gif


    don't get mad at me, breh. you're the guy that stays saying some bullshit as offensive as it could be and doesn't want to be held accountable for the words and thoughts you say on here. if you can dish it, you can take it. icon_wink.gif i should buy you a KKK robe for halloween if you don't have one already.


    And I should buy you a violin to play for all your racial excuses you make for your life. And I don't alter my opinion because someone finds it offensive. Like your hypocritical ass has never offended anyone? LOL
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    Jan 11, 2015 3:11 AM GMT
    Oh please, the western world is to blame for even stepping foot in the Middle East, adopting a religion, whitewashing it and corrupting the world with it. Their home has been in constant turmoil ever since white men showed up, and that's just the Middle East. Lawd knows the entire continent of Africa has and still gets raped and robbed. It's all meant to be tho, I mean what else can you really say?
    History tends to find a way to repeating itself so the Western world would suggest something harsh as deporting all Muslims from their home. As if terrorism is exclusive to Muslims, I mean we got our own problems with mass shootings and police brutality, but here we are getting brainwashed to hate Muslims. As if the media/govnt is even telling us the whole truth. Religion in general was hijacked, it's fuckery. Muslims aren't the problem.
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    Jan 11, 2015 3:35 AM GMT
    Art_Deco saidOne of our close friends is a Muslim, originally from Iran. He's been to our house for dinner, we go out with him to lunch & functions all the time, most recently last Tuesday. We gave him some political connections so he can expedite his application for US citizenship. A great guy who's brought a business and jobs to our community. I don't hate all people of Muslim background.

    But, I did lose my temper here some years ago, over the World Trade Center attacks. I had watched those towers going up, I had been in them. It was very personal for me, Careless comments for which I promptly apologized, but that a certain RJ member keeps endlessly dragging up.

    So I kinda understand the emotional conflicts here. A difficult issue.

    My concern is that Muslims worldwide aren't more forceful in rejecting these terrorists. And in defeating them. I'm not sure I see a lot of examples of that. And that's a problem.


    And then you followed that up with:

    "Certainly I am opposed to combative Christian fringe groups as I am to Muslims. The significant difference is one of degree. SOME Christians believe in an armed takeover of the US to impose a Bible-based government. Whereas MOST Muslims believe in the violent imposition of Islamic law.

    And those Muslims who do not actively agree with such a goal, do not actively OPPOSE it either. As compared to most Christians, who do not support a US theocracy as fundamentalist Christians and Muslims do
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    Not much of the above that I disagree with except maybe the extent that you feel that fundamentalist Christians would behave similarly. I think there's a huge difference in degree.
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    Jan 11, 2015 4:00 AM GMT
    I'm not entirely on board with the notion that all Muslims around the world *must* come out and condemn every single time a radical Islamist does one of these attacks.

    I think that it might give some comfort to those, but we don't see this being done by other ethnic and/or religious groups.

    Did any white people apologize when Tim McVeigh blew up the Murrah Federal building in OKC? Did any Catholics come out and publicly apologize for when the numerous priests were caught molesting children? (I mean, normal every day Joe Catholics...not specifically the Pope or any other figure of importance).

    These are probably poor examples of comparison, but the idea that all the Muslims around the world need to come out and apologize for these rare instances just doesn't sound like it's going to solve any problems.

    People who are uncomfortable with Muslims already will still feel the same way no matter how many of them apologize in public or condemn these actions. I just really don't think it's 1) going to make a difference in how uncomfortable people are already and/or 2) reduce the amount of instances these will occur in the future.
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    Jan 11, 2015 4:09 AM GMT
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    Not much of the above that I disagree with except maybe the extent that you feel that fundamentalist Christians would behave similarly. I think there's a huge difference in degree.

    Whereas I believe Islamic and Christian fundamentalists are all cut from the same cloth.
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    Jan 11, 2015 4:15 AM GMT
    willular saidI'm not entirely on board with the notion that all Muslims around the world *must* come out and condemn every single time a radical Islamist does one of these attacks.

    I think that it might give some comfort to those, but we don't see this being done by other ethnic and/or religious groups.

    Did any white people apologize when Tim McVeigh blew up the Murrah Federal building in OKC? Did any Catholics come out and publicly apologize for when the numerous priests were caught molesting children? (I mean, normal every day Joe Catholics...not specifically the Pope or any other figure of importance).

    These are probably poor examples of comparison, but the idea that all the Muslims around the world need to come out and apologize for these rare instances just doesn't sound like it's going to solve any problems.

    People who are uncomfortable with Muslims already will still feel the same way no matter how many of them apologize in public or condemn these actions. I just really don't think it's 1) going to make a difference in how uncomfortable people are already and/or 2) reduce the amount of instances these will occur in the future.


    I've never heard of any other group say the horrible things these Muslims are saying. They are basically saying they are taking over and this should scare the hell out of you.
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    Jan 11, 2015 6:36 AM GMT
    Deport all Muslims because of terrorists?

    Huh, didn't the U.S. try that with Japanese Americans after Pearl Harbor? And then we forcibly sequestered them in internment camps and systematically destroyed their lives?

    Yeah, no. There's a solution out there, but it's not making the same damn mistakes we've already made.

    Besides, if all countries decided to jump on the Muslim-deportation bandwagon, then you'd just be sending them all back to countries rife with terrorist groups and activity. Then it would be even HARDER to stop Muslim youth from becoming radicalized.

    And, if there's evil in this world, then it lurks in the hearts of men, not in a book. Violent, ignorant, and hateful people will use any justification they can for their words and deeds if they think it will give them any kind of moral upper hand. Terrorists who claim Islam for their legitimacy rely on the good image of more peaceful Muslims to maintain a steady influx of new recruits. If we lump peaceful Muslims with terrorist "Muslims" and deport them all indiscriminately, we are ultimately handing them more bodies. We lose.